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The reason I ask this is that we set up virtually all of our recordings as series links so that would create this scenario of the 3 recordings you have with the same priority. On V+ the padding is simply cut off the end of the 21.00 recording to allow the 22.00 recording to start on time. In fact what is the point of recording anything with the first 5 minutes missing unless there is an absolute priority for the previous recording? I hope the answer is for recording clashes where the priority is the same for the padding to be cut off the 21.00 recording to allow the 22.00 recording of same priority to start at 22.00 i.e. padding only stays on a 21.00 recording if it is at a higher priority than the 22.00 recording, not if the priority is the same. The other factor is that we regularly watch live TV while recording 2 other programmes on other channels. So in this case it seems that if you are watching live TV when 3 tuners are activated later this month, only 2 tuners are available for recording for your scenario so the clash will happen more often than you think. However, in this situation, just cutting off the 5 minutes padding is best since most of the time programmes complete on time but a delay of recording for the 22.00 programme is almost 100% going to mean missing the start of the programme. However, I believe a new feature Tivo has is that if you happen to be watching a previous recording, Tivo will use 3 tuners to record your 3 21.00 and 1 22.00 programme including padding overlap on the 2 21.00 programmes. I thought a tuner was required to watch a programme even recorded but must be wrong, not technical enough to know! However, I’m not sure what happens though if you just happen to finish watching your recording during the 5 minute overlap, guess it would notify you with an alert that Tivo would have to stop recording a programme (must be the 5 minute padding of one of the 21.00 programmes not the start of the 22.00 programme, assuming same priority for all 3) for you to decide? Finally, the V+ has the option for you to set priority between planned series, planned programmes and manual recordings, where you have to set a priority. Does Tivo offer you any more options, how about disabling priority at all? The fact that it is a series or planned programme does not dictate priority to what we want to watch, so just wondering if it is possible to set the same priority for anything planned and then if padding is cut off for any clashes or planned/series recording with the same priority, that would be fine with me! |
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Is the TIVO epg data updated regular during the day ?
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But the actual point is that I do want to record all planned series recordings so want them all on the same priority and certainly do not want 2 series recordings say at 21.00 with 5 minutes padding so I don’t miss the end of those programmes, then cutting off the first 5 minutes of the 22.00 series planned recording. So if you set the priority of all planned series recordings the same then what happens with the scenario presented? Does Tivo cut off the 5 minute padding at the end of the 21.00 recording to start recording the 22.00 series recording of equal priority, if you can deliberately set equal priority for all series recordings setup, or are you forced to try and manipulate priority on an individual recording basis or just set 0 padding and keep your fingers crossed every programme starts and finishes on time, until VM produce this software update on the padding issue planned in September? Perhaps the way around this is to make the 22.00 recording a higher priority than the 2 21.00 recordings if you can set priority on a per recording basis with series setup, but this could be on a whole per series basis not individual recordings of programmes in a series. I just want to record all 3 series programmes in this scenario with the minimal manipulation of priorities/padding and certainly not have the risk that if padding is set at the end of the 21.00 recordings, they do not cut off the first 5 minutes of the 22.00 recording. Better to take the chance of the off event when a programme is slightly delayed (so end of a 21.00 recorded programme is lost when 22.00 programme starts recording) which is very infrequent, rather than have the guarantee of missing the first 5 minutes of the following recording if the padding/priority settings cause this. Would really like to sort this out before I get my Tivo, perhaps those who have a Tivo already could try out the scenario of 3 recordings and see what can be set up to make sure the 22.00 recording does take priority at 22.00? |
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My friend had his fitted on Thursday and he doesn't even have a Virgin TV package. All he had was 10mb Broadband. He got a call telling him he could have it for £149 fitted plus £3 a month if he signed up for XL TV.
Looks like the listed rollout of VIP, XL and then new customers was BS. Again new customers get priority. Hapy for him but annoyed with with Virgin |
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Clearly there are errors in the customer database.
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1440x1080 is nothing to do with anything in broadcast TV - in fact, its not even the correct aspect ratio for widescreen TV (1440x1080 would be a 4:3 aspect ratio, not the 16:9 widescreen TV uses) |
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"Your mileage may vary Thats real world useage on my TiVo. Its 7% full so just multiplied the recorded hours by 100 and divided by 7, after converting all the hd recordings to sd by x by 4. And then dividing the sd recordings by 4 to double check. Its as accurate a figure without getting to complicated. My ratio of sd to hd recordings are 1:2. So the HD figure will be more accurate than the SD. Regards John. " I thought it was implicit that the bitrate was altering so its as accurate without getting more complicated. The more complicated bit would be taking much more samples to eliminate as much as possible differences in bitrate between channels programs and sd/hd. I do intend to do this to get a more accurate estimate over time. regards John. |
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I would suspect its not that easy , and maybe over time you would just get used to TIVO's way who knows.
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I for one have not had any issues. Yes there are some recordings that start right at the beginning of the show but nothing that means I have missed anything.
I do think that once the 3rd tuner is active it will sort out the padding 'issues' some people are having. |
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Well good to hear at least.
I've just seen nobody state what happens when the 22:00 recording is the same priority as the 21:00 recordings with 5 minutes padding, which could be the case if all these recordings are series recordings. Is the 5 minute end padding dropped on one of the 21.00 recordings to allow the 22.00 recording to start when they all have the same priority, because that is what you really want? This is what happens right now on V+ and I have to say with 3 tuners and while watching a live programe I'm not recording, I've had padding dropped on the 2 other recordings when there are back to back programmes scheduled to record. Perfectly happy for the padding to be dropped, just want to check the same happens with Tivo, be it that right now you have to set up invidual recording padding which I could live with until September. |
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To be fair my V+ has missed the start and the end of shows although not very often , its mostly reliable. Anybody heard anymore about the TIVO 500gb box ?
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I have just tried to set a remote record,via the website and says that I don't have an active TiVo, do I have ring VM to activate the box?, or will it be automatically activated ( TiVo was installed yesterday)
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The only scenario I'm not sure about is if all 3 recordings are on-offs in which case I'm not sure if they are all equal priority. The logical way to do that is that the later recording gets the priority and clips off padding on the previous. One to test out I guess. I think we're all in agreement that the V+ system is preferable. It may be that in the US padding is far less important because they have so many damn adverts ! It's only BBC stuff over here that frequently runs over the hour. |
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I have just had a word with customer service and she claims to know nothing about Tivo or whether its rolling out.
Again since December Virgins communication has been nothing short of shambolic. |
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You are right about BBC, ever tried starting a recording and discovering you have just missed the first 2 minutes of the programme because you were forced to give a higher priority to the previous porgramme, very annoying. My wife will throw Tivo through the window if it does much of that! |
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I've never set a priority on V+ because if it highlighted a clash, I sorted it out with a repeat or +1 channel, and it automatically dropped padding where needed. It's good to know the tivo team know that people have requested the V+ system, but I do fear they may let the tivo system prevail and just add a global option to add padding. |
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I have given up on winning a Tivo as I am sure i would have heard by now Still it does say to give until 20th march but a lot of people seem to have heard by now
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Been following this topic for a while, thought I'd let you all know got the call today saying I was a winner from the raffle. So there is still hope for some. and I'm in the Irlam area of greater Manchester.
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Until you have used it and also until the third tuner is active I would not pass judgement. Yes the V+ let's you set priority for series links or one off recordings. However TiVo let's you choose priority over which series link in more important. For me this has been much better, due to the 3 or 4 really important links being at the top of my list and stuff I want to record but am not as bothered abo ut go at the bottom. I have never missed any of the shows. Yes sometimes the recordings start right at the beginning of the show but I have never missed more than 30 seconds of a show. As for actual clashes, TiVo will smartly try to record the next showing of an episode if it can't record due to a clash. I usually set a padding of 2 mins at the start and end of a series link and for some one off shows I tend not to add padding at all. |
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You should of had an email telling you VM will be in touch near the end of March... the last few raffle winners are being contacted before 20th. As I've posted before, you will get an email telling you how to order online... you will then be able to choose an install date. VM will not be calling any pre-regs just keep an eye out for an email from the TiVo Team. :) |
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So 9 days left, I wonder how many of us will be screaming at there telephones to ring on the 19th lol. |
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No arguments there; in that aspect tivo is a big advantage over the V+. It's a shame that bit of TIVO couldn't be combined with the V+ padding features, but as Stephen says, this is a TIVO, and I sense the chances of V+ type padding being added are extreemly remote, even though it is a more sensible method I hope you're right and in practice, and there won't be a problem; the third tuner will definitely help. The days of my 5 minutes before and after padding are probably over though... :) |
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Honestly you will not need the five minutes each side of the recordings. I use 2 at most and that is more than enough. However as has been mentioned TiVo is smarter than V+ and since I started using TiVo I haven't once used my V+.
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5 minuets was probably more than necessary, but that's where V+ excelled in padding functionlity, it caught the odd show that needed it but didn't affect back to back shows. I know we're all meant to bow down to the "Great TIVO", but not acknowledging that V+ did some things better, is just wrong in my view. You can still say that overall, TIVO is a far superior product (which I think is the case) whilst admitting that V+ did some things better (upcaling SD is possibly another one). |
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To anyone who has TiVo installed:
Is there an 'Interactive' Option like Menu - Option 7 (I think) on the V+? I don't remember seeing it on the screen shots posted here and elsewhere. I only really use it to check the BBC teletext feature. Would be a shame to not have it on TiVo but not the end of the world as I'll just flip to freeview for it |
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I have to say that my first impressions of TIVO ( after having it a while ) are brilliant and would well be worth the £149.
1 - The BBC I-PLAYER App has more shows on it than the catch up service. 2 - The YOU-TUBE App has good videos ( picture quality on some are dire ). 3 - The recording is brilliant as i have not messed with anything, but have not missed the start or end of anything that i have recorded. 4 - It is brilliant if something gets deleted that you are able to recover the item. E.T.C I would NOT like to apologise for my rant yesterday as i meant what i said. P.S i have to say that i love my TIVO and also on a last note YOU HAD ME AT TIVO:D:D:D[COLOR="Silver"] Quote:
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BBC interactive will be added at some point, the first step was BBC iPlayer, which was launched last week. |
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Thanks for the review were all entitled to a rant now and then whether valid or not.
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A. SD PQ B. Speed throughout the menus When I used the TiVo in the VM store I found the SD to be similar to my V+ and the menus seemed quick enough to me however this doesnt beat playing around with it in your own home. |
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1 - The SD picture seems the same as the V-HD BOX ( do not have side to side comparison for the V+HD BOX as they are in different rooms ) 2 - The speed through the menus are quick and good they were only slow after install but have sped up since. P.S In regards to playing around with it in your own home, you will go blind:erm::D:D:D Quote:
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FYI, I tested the behaviour with one-off manual recordings rather than series links. As expected, the later recording clips padding off one of the earlier ones. So in this respect it is the same as V+.
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As I understand it, if the first recording had higher priority, the padding of the first programme would have been recorded and the first part of the second programme would have been clipped, assuming both other tuners were tied up recording something else. |
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Righto.
Now that Bluemoon has proved that he has got TiVO and it was given to him as a new customer, is anyone else a little peeved? I yet again had to prune the recordings on our V+ yesterday and I need more space! |
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But I suspect the amount of new customers getting them is a very small number and probaby a compter error, so it doesn't bother me, much as I'd like Tivo ASAP. |
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Counting the hours down to tivo,Hurry up am
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Stuff happens, and in the wide range of parameters of "stuff", this, imho, is in the very very minor league.... Me, I save my "peeve" for frozen pay, worries about a ongoing enonomic slump, figuring out how to pay for two kids at Uni, concerns about having to make colleagues redundant, rising bills, etc etc, rather than getting a little peeved about space on my V+.....;) |
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I guess it's a paradigm shift. Coming from my media center with 1TB (and HD was MPEG4) I had plenty of room to stack stuff up. We've finally started watching Bedlam tonight and got through three episodes which has freed up a buttload of space. I just want that freedom back!
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Swings, roundabouts - you move from your previous setup to V+ for some benefits.
You must have thought those benefits outweighted the shortfalls. |
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A dna swap and blood sample would be handy too, just so that we know you are a human and not a troll. Oh wait this is a forum about TV isnt, I just had a flash back to being in a court case:D. Lets take people at face value until shown otherwise guys. This is only entertainment, not life and death. Regards John. |
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OMG OMG OMG less than 9 days before 20th March... come on phone RING RING RING!!!
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already had my call m8
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. . .and there's me so excited to be getting a V+ box to replace my VM TiVo this morning. Can't wait to get rid of the TiVo! Nasty, nasty, nasty!!
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That should silence the sceptics. Are you happy with your TiVo? Have you discovered any bugs? |
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The priority we know so far is: 1. Manual one-off recordings. 2 Series links, in order specified in the series link mgt screen 3. Tivo suggestions. We have already established what happens with series links, so I just repeated the test with all manual recordings, and the results show it gives priority to the later recording and clips the previous. |
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I had my TiVo installed on Thursday. I was so excited I think the engineer thought I was a bit odd, especially when I showed him my TiVo cuddly toy. It was only his third install and the first to an ex Series 1 user. The install took less than an hour. The engineer didn't understand why the EPG was taking so long to fill up, so from what I remembered of the old TiVo, I managed to find the Network screen which showed that it was still organising the data. On the old TiVo this could take hours but the Virgin TiVo did it in minutes.
My first impression was that I was overwhelmed. It is so very, very good. It is absolutely brilliant to have the old TiVo features back. Even simple things like the progress bar that shows where in the buffer you are. It was just like coming in from the freezing cold. It's so easy to find all my favourite programmes to record, even ones that aren't on yet via wishlists. It's also amazing the information available about each programme, including cast lists, episode lists and other similar programmes. Everything is so accessable. The EPG is also pretty good and fast to navigate. Navigating menus can have pauses at times but nothing too major. The best thing is that I no longer have to know when and what channel a programme is on. It is just so easy to find programmes or have them suggested to you. TiVo takes all the effort out of finding what you want to watch. It's all the little features that also make this so great. The 30 second skip forward, the buffer that doesn't go away when you go to the guide or the menu. Not having to confirm that you want to go to live TV when you've been watching delayed TV. The list goes on. So far I've had a couple of glitches which were fixed by reboots. First I lost the 30 second skip forward and then the tuners got stuck. Every time I picked a channel from the EPG it would go to the same single channel. I would have to press info and select the other tuner from the bottom of that screen. I expect to come across other glitches but these are far, far outweighed by the benefits of the new features. My expectations of the Virgin TiVo were high and they have been very much exceeded. The Virgin TiVo is just brilliant. It's got all the great features of the series 1 plus so much more. I am one happy bunny. |
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And I've got a feature request for you DF. From the Guide if you highlight a show and hit record it gives you an option to record. It would be similarly useful to be able to highlight a planned recording in the Guide, press record and see an option to cancel the recording. Without having to go into the other menus. |
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Because, by the amount of sound and fury being generated in this and other forums, you would think that some people would give up their first-born to be at the head of the queue, and would lynch anyone else who has been given "priority", if it would jump them ahead of the rest.....;) |
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Just had my tivo installed,Took less than a hour.First impressions very slick,Couple of questions for the experts-
1.Only showing todays tv guide,I assume it will take a while to show longer 2.Tried catch up ,Doesnt seem to have the option to start part way thru the program like v+ or am i doing something wrong |
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2 - I have noticed this so i am not sure of this one. |
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That is a good feature on V+ being able to start at set position. |
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One question I've got is, I've had 100mb broadband fitted, I do a speed test and it's only showing 55mb download speed. But the virgin tech says it's all fine and I'm showing 92-98mb on there system? Is speed test a good reading and has anyone with 100mb connection get better readings than me? |
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very fast compared to the v+,the series link is a bit hit and miss ross kemp on monday sky1hd even thou set for premiere only as put to record repeat on weds and hot in cleveland tues sky living had to manually program in series link doesnt seem to pick up eps to record,no biggy.major result 2 week ahead epg so at least if problem with series link can manual program in to record
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Is there a reason that the registration site is now saying sign up before March 13th to be the first to know more about Tivo?
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I would assume because the pre-registration closes after that?
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