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denphone 14-01-2019 19:36

Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35979277)
With a lot of intimidation and arresting of members of that parliament. Hitler wasn’t keen on democracy...

The Night of the Long Knives.

Dave42 14-01-2019 20:54

Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35979269)
I hope we don't have a general election.

I will NEVER vote for labour while JC is involved with them.

He's seems only interested in blocking brexit so he can try and get an election.

Plus my Tory MP is a remainer so again going against what my town voted which was to leave.

you do know he a very big brexiteer pretending to be a remainer right

jfman 14-01-2019 20:56

Re: Brexit
 
Is he even pretending???;)

Hom3r 14-01-2019 21:04

Re: Brexit
 
The trouble with JC is he just cannot back May because she is a tory.

Hugh 14-01-2019 21:11

Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35979271)
So which democratic vote did he ignore? It was the German Parliament that gave him any powers.

Do you mean the Enabling Act, which was enacted by the Reichstag where non-Nazi members were surrounded and threatened by members of Sturmabteilung and the SS, and the Communists and some Social Democrats were not allowed to be present or to vote?

Democratic vote?

Damien 14-01-2019 21:32

Re: Brexit
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35979293)
The trouble with JC is he just cannot back May because she is a tory.

Corbyn doesn't want to back Brexit and alienate Remainers or get the blame if it goes wrong. He doesn't want to overturn Brexit and deal with the backlash of Leavers, and ideologically he supports it anyway. He wants it to all go wrong and the Tories get the blame so he wins an election.

jfman 14-01-2019 21:49

Re: Brexit
 
JC and TM should job swap until April.

1andrew1 14-01-2019 21:56

Re: Brexit
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35979300)
JC and TM should job swap until April.

Ha ha. They both probably secretly wish they could! Often, what people don't say is more informative than what they do say.
How many times has Theresa May said her deal is better than no deal? Quite a few.
But, how many times has May said her deal is better than no Brexit? Never.
No further questions milord.

Gavin78 14-01-2019 22:26

Re: Brexit
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35979300)
JC and TM should job swap until April.

We would end up a 3rd world country within a matter of weeks no thanks

1andrew1 14-01-2019 22:37

Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by Gavin78 (Post 35979304)
We would end up a 3rd world country within a matter of weeks no thanks

But JC may be unable to implement Brexit either. ;)

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House of Lords have rejected Theresa May’s deal by 321 votes to 152.

Mick 14-01-2019 22:56

Re: Brexit
 
BREAKING: Theresa May's Brexit agreement has suffered its first official parliamentary defeat as peers registered their opposition to it by 321 votes to 152 with a majority of 169

Dave42 14-01-2019 23:47

Re: Brexit
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35979307)
BREAKING: Theresa May's Brexit agreement has suffered its first official parliamentary defeat as peers registered their opposition to it by 321 votes to 152 with a majority of 169

second will be tomorrow for sure then no one has any idea what happens next

1andrew1 15-01-2019 00:01

Re: Brexit
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35979310)
second will be tomorrow for sure then no one has any idea what happens next

Exciting times, we are living through a key part of British history.

Wish I was watching from a position of retirement, no mortgage and an index-linked pension though! Hey, ho back to the grind in a few hours...

jfman 15-01-2019 05:26

Re: Brexit
 
I’m bizarrely coming round to Theresa May’s deal. It’s not really Brexit, keeps us economically tied to the EU and for the xenophobes it ends freedom of movement.

While nobody thinks it’s great it gives everyone something. Probably just enough to end Brexit debates going forward and put a line under it. Remaining, extensions or leaving with no deal will keep the issue rumbling on for years.

Being “stuck in the backstop” keeps us in the customs union without paying into the EU which bizarrely is the best of both worlds if we accept that favourable the trade deals are unlikely.

ianch99 15-01-2019 08:17

Re: Brexit
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35979317)
I’m bizarrely coming round to Theresa May’s deal. It’s not really Brexit, keeps us economically tied to the EU and for the xenophobes it ends freedom of movement.

While nobody thinks it’s great it gives everyone something. Probably just enough to end Brexit debates going forward and put a line under it. Remaining, extensions or leaving with no deal will keep the issue rumbling on for years.

Being “stuck in the backstop” keeps us in the customs union without paying into the EU which bizarrely is the best of both worlds if we accept that favourable the trade deals are unlikely.

I can see the point you make but there are two problems with your logic:

1. this validates the decades of right wing media anti-EU propaganda and xenophobia that underwrote the 2016 result.
2. this deal is forcing a future on a generation that overwhelmingly does not want it. Moreover, now the actual deal is known, they are denied a voice in approving (or denying) it.


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