Cable Forum - Brexit (Old)

The Government has no plans and has repeatedly ruled out extending A50. So as I said... The mechanics do matter. The sooner you accept that, the better.

It's not long ago that Theresa May was telling us she wouldn't hold an election, was it? Look what happened.
And it was even more recently that she was promising not to delay the vote, wasn't she? Look what happened.
The Government's got form here and you don't need to have Hawkeye to spot it! ;)

jfman

13-01-2019 22:45

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35979137)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46856149

“No Brexit more likely than No Deal” - Theresa May (to be said tomorrow).

Dave42

13-01-2019 22:56

Re: Brexit

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35979127)

The Government has no plans and has repeatedly ruled out extending A50. So as I said... The mechanics do matter. The sooner you accept that, the better.

the government had no plans and did not want to publish the brexit assessment documents parliament made them

1andrew1

13-01-2019 23:46

Re: Brexit

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35979139)

the government had no plans and did not want to publish the brexit assessment documents parliament made them

Exactly. Parliament is taking control and the country decided to elect a Parliament of majority Remain MPs in 2017.

Hugh	13-01-2019 23:54

Re: Brexit

https://www.bloomberg.com/

Quote:

May’s warning comes after the Sunday Times reported that some lawmakers are planning to seize control of the legislative agenda from the government in an act that would allow Parliament to extend the March 29 Brexit deadline or even overturn the decision to leave the EU.

A senior government official on Sunday described the plan as extremely concerning, since if it succeeds lawmakers would gain control over not just Brexit legislation but all legislation.

So, there is concern that lawmakers would gain control over the laws?

Mick	14-01-2019 00:54

Re: Brexit

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35979141)

Exactly. Parliament is taking control and the country decided to elect a Parliament of majority Remain MPs in 2017.

No they did not at all.

Why do you keep making your own stuff up as you go along?!?

That is totally inaccurate.

The facts actually are: They elected for parties which stood on manifestos for leave!!!

80% of the electorate voted for leave parties in 2017 - to say otherwise is a utter lie and distortion of the truth.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35979139)

the government had no plans and did not want to publish the brexit assessment documents parliament made them

You're still showing you don't quite know how the legislative powers work Dave there is a difference to that and actually invoking primary legislation, but do keep up.... ;)

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35979142)

https://www.bloomberg.com/

So, there is concern that lawmakers would gain control over the laws?

I think it's a case of - It's 11th hour scare stories from No. 10 - to whip up support, last bid attempt and all that, for her terrible deal.

denphone

14-01-2019 04:41

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35979137)

As obvious as night that turns to day.

Sephiroth

14-01-2019 08:24

Re: Brexit

Is see that the Remainers are having a field day. It's like vultures circling a circling a soon to be carcass.

If Parliament dares to suspend or cancel Brexit then we really do have a crisis that will spill onto the streets.

This disgraceful set of manoeuvers comes just as we could wobble the EU into concessions as they see their £39m disappearing down the toilet and they see their beloved perfidious Ireland take a serious economic hit.

But no, Corbyn is hell bent on power with no Brexit plan and the Tories could lose an election based on their performance.

Jeez - Remainers; are these intended or unintended consequences of your mission to overturn the Brexit Referendum? Either way, shame on you.

jfman

14-01-2019 08:38

Re: Brexit

If those are the consequences then so be it. A price worth paying.

mrmistoffelees

14-01-2019 09:11

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35979150)

Hmmm more than a whiff of project fear about some parts of this post......:erm:

Stephen

14-01-2019 09:15

Re: Brexit

BBC News - Theresa May says no Brexit more likely than no deal

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46856149

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.She will use a speech on Monday to warn that Parliament is more likely to block Brexit than let the UK leave without a deal.

Mrs May will add that trust in politics will suffer "catastrophic harm" if the referendum result is not implemented.

Mick	14-01-2019 09:48

Re: Brexit

Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35979153)

If those are the consequences then so be it. A price worth paying.

No it’s not. You are so naive if you think Brexiteers will just accept Brexit being stopped. British political spectrum will be turned upside down, division will be as strong as ever, the desire to leave a cancerous union will still be there.

Brexiteers are not going to go quietly in to the night and accept the same old status quo of being in a disgusting, corrupted EU.

We must leave the EU Dictatorship.

Democracy is being abused for your own selfish reasons because you think we cannot survive outside a corrupted entity, you are wrong.

mrmistoffelees

14-01-2019 10:10

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35979161)

You don't know this though Mick, it's pure conjecture, it's no more fact than i know that remaining would mean the country would be in the land of milk and honey.

Regardless of leaving/remaining we will still be under the control of a corrupted entity that being our current political system.

Pierre

14-01-2019 10:20

Re: Brexit

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35979141)

Exactly. Parliament is taking control and the country decided to elect a Parliament of majority Remain MPs in 2017.

MPs that in the majority stood on a manifesto to leave the EU

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35979150)

Corbyn is hell bent on power with no Brexit plan and the Tories could lose an election based on their performance.

Corbyn and Labour have been totally lamentable in this whole period.

Like or dislike May, like or dislike her deal, she has at least come back with a position and a deal.

And as split as the Tories are, at least you know what they want as individuals also.

I have no idea what Labours position is. Nor do they. If Corbyn thinks this is his ticket into power, I think he will be disappointed.

mrmistoffelees

14-01-2019 10:28

Re: Brexit

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35979165)

MPs that in the majority stood on a manifesto to leave the EU

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Corbyn and Labour have been totally lamentable in this whole period.

Like or dislike May, like or dislike her deal, she has at least come back with a position and a deal.

And as split as the Tories are, at least you know what they want as individuals also.

I have no idea what Labours position is. Nor do they. If Corbyn thinks this is his ticket into power, I think he will be disappointed.

The official labour position is to still pursue Brexit, but to attempt to renegotiate a deal with Brussels (not sure how that's going to play out considering the EU's comments)

Corbyns attempt at no confidence vote will be symbolic only as DUP etc will vote against. I agree that if Corbyn thinks he will be able to use this to gain power then it's not going to happen.

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