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Itshim 22-07-2025 17:31
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Which room will you give up take a heatpump . And don't forget the water cylinder? Just asking

Sephiroth 22-07-2025 17:37
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36199707)
We definitely need to cut the link to expensive gas. I guess by better storage.
... Or by making UK Gas exploitation a sovereign enterprise, where we control the price of gas sold to the UK power industry.

Needs something different to be done to use the assets we have.

Hugh 22-07-2025 17:53
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36199709)
... Or by making UK Gas exploitation a sovereign enterprise, where we control the price of gas sold to the UK power industry.

Needs something different to be done to use the assets we have.
Unfortunately, unlike Norway, it’s a bit late - why would the Oil/Gas companies invest in a declining market (as in the amount of oil/gas left in the North Sea) for reduced profits?

Interesting article about what Norway did right in the 60s and 70s…

https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/2...norway-uk-oil/

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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36199708)
Which room will you give up take a heatpump . And don't forget the water cylinder? Just asking
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The typical size of an air source heat pump is between 1 and 1.5m high and between 0.5 and 1m wide.
And usually goes outside the house, and re the buffer tank

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The buffer tank may be similar in size to a hot water cylinder and to save space may be situated above or below the cylinder or integrated into one tall vessel. To save space a buffer tank could also be put in a loft or basement.
https://nef.org.uk/what-are-the-spac...rce-heat-pump/

Paul 22-07-2025 21:43
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...or it can just replace your existing hot water tank.

Chris 23-07-2025 09:34
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… or we’ll eventually accept there’s no way of eliminating the domestic gas supply network any time soon and start pumping hydrogen into it. Domestic consumption accounts for a third of total use in the UK so homes aren’t even the major contributor and it’s not as if you can make a sudden large dent in that figure by transitioning one user.

My brother has an air source heat pump; at my last house my neighbour had one. All I can say is that I would never want to live in a street where every house has one. They’re quiet, but not that quiet. If we go down that route, I guarantee you a generation from now the recurring newspaper story will be streets blighted by noise pollution.

Carth 23-07-2025 16:12
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My house is East/West facing, apparently not really the best to take advantage of Solar.

I looked at possibly getting a few panels with the idea it would help (slowly) long term . . . panels are cheap enough, converters and batteries aren't.

And in regards to an Air Source heat pump, it would be cheaper to knock the house down and rebuild it to suit :rolleyes:

Itshim 23-07-2025 17:15
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36199711)
Unfortunately, unlike Norway, it’s a bit late - why would the Oil/Gas companies invest in a declining market (as in the amount of oil/gas left in the North Sea) for reduced profits?

Interesting article about what Norway did right in the 60s and 70s…

https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/2...norway-uk-oil/

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And usually goes outside the house, and re the buffer tank



https://nef.org.uk/what-are-the-spac...rce-heat-pump/
Have you seen the water tank :confused: , guess you don't remember warm air heating systems. They were the future.

Hugh 23-07-2025 17:28
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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36199748)
Have you seen the water tank :confused: , guess you don't remember warm air heating systems. They were the future.
Not in the UK, they weren't - they were just a cheap method used by builders to cut costs, but to sell the house with "central heating" (my first bought house (in Thatcham in ‘84)) had that system; all it was was a column in the centre of the house distributing warm air thru vents at floor level in each connected.

Terrible system.

Chris 23-07-2025 17:59
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36199753)
Not in the UK, they weren't - they were just a cheap method used by builders to cut costs, but to sell the house with "central heating" (my first bought house (in Thatcham in ‘84) had that system; all it was was a column in the centre of the house distributing warm air thru vents at floor level in each connected.

Terrible system.
And dangerous, when old and rickety, as my dad found out a year or two after buying a house in the late 80s that had one of these. The air pump started to overheat and smoke thanks to a build up of debris, and it blew the smoke round the entire house in double quick time. Thankfully the smoke alarm (for back then it was common only to have one, if you had one at all) was powered up and working.

Itshim 25-07-2025 18:45
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36199753)
Not in the UK, they weren't - they were just a cheap method used by builders to cut costs, but to sell the house with "central heating" (my first bought house (in Thatcham in ‘84)) had that system; all it was was a column in the centre of the house distributing warm air thru vents at floor level in each connected.

Terrible system.
Not arguing, I note someone said they are not that noisy. The one I was shown as a demo was far to noisy for me,but l have hearing aids cranked up . :D

OLD BOY 28-07-2025 09:34
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You can't leave the ECHR as we would wave goodbye to our trade deal with Europe and beyond. It's opposition party nonsense which makes the LibDems manifesto pledge of no university fees look like a realistic proposition! You've seen the economy struggle and unlawful immigration rise because of Brexit. How many more fairy tales do you need to read before you face up to reality that there are no lazy quick fixes?
We could, actually. You are being negative again.The UK-EU Trade and Cooperation Agreement does not explicitly require ECHR membership, although technically the parts of it relating to law enforcement and security 'may be suspended' (Article 524). However, trade would not be impacted as you have strongly implied here.

Other trade agreements would not be affected at all by our withdrawing from the ECHR.

The economic impact of our leaving the EU has not been the disaster that remainers had predicted, and the EU is desperate to try to prove otherwise, given that some countries are considering leaving the EU. Poland, for example, is facing daily fines for continuing to prevent uncontrolled immigration into the country. If the EU can persuade those countries that the disadvatages of doing so outweigh the advantages, it will make them think twice.

Hugh 28-07-2025 11:32
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We could, actually. You are being negative again.The UK-EU Trade and Cooperation Agreement does not explicitly require ECHR membership, although technically the parts of it relating to law enforcement and security 'may be suspended' (Article 524). However, trade would not be impacted as you have strongly implied here.

Other trade agreements would not be affected at all by our withdrawing from the ECHR.

The economic impact of our leaving the EU has not been the disaster that remainers had predicted, and the EU is desperate to try to prove otherwise, given that some countries are considering leaving the EU. Poland, for example, is facing daily fines for continuing to prevent uncontrolled immigration into the country. If the EU can persuade those countries that the disadvatages of doing so outweigh the advantages, it will make them think twice.
Since you specifically focus on the economic impact, you may find information from February this year informative…

https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/th...s/#assumptions

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The post-Brexit trading relationship between the UK and EU, as set out in the ‘Trade and Cooperation Agreement’ (TCA) that came into effect on 1 January 2021, will reduce long-run productivity by 4 per cent relative to remaining in the EU
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Both exports and imports will be around 15 per cent lower in the long run than if the UK had remained in the EU
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New trade deals with non-EU countries will not have a material impact, and any effect will be gradual (see our 2018 Discussion paper for more detail). This is because the deals concluded to date either replicate (or ‘roll over’) deals that the UK already benefited from as an EU member state, or do not have a material impact on our forecast.
Or in a summary chart

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/...rrer=deep-link

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...4&d=1753698622

1andrew1 28-07-2025 12:54
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36199979)
We could, actually. You are being negative again.The UK-EU Trade and Cooperation Agreement does not explicitly require ECHR membership, although technically the parts of it relating to law enforcement and security 'may be suspended' (Article 524). However, trade would not be impacted as you have strongly implied here.

Other trade agreements would not be affected at all by our withdrawing from the ECHR.

The economic impact of our leaving the EU has not been the disaster that remainers had predicted, and the EU is desperate to try to prove otherwise, given that some countries are considering leaving the EU. Poland, for example, is facing daily fines for continuing to prevent uncontrolled immigration into the country. If the EU can persuade those countries that the disadvatages of doing so outweigh the advantages, it will make them think twice.
Leaving the EHCR is a breach of the Good Friday agreement so expect trade deals to become invalid if this happens.
Think what we could do with that extra 4% of GDP? Tax cut? Increased spending on the NHS? Cheaper fuel prices?
Think how many fewer hotels would be needed without the Brexit-led unlawful immigration.
And Brexiters have been predicting the Netherlands, Poland and.Ireland leaving for years. Ain't gonna happen.

Itshim 28-07-2025 17:33
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36199982)
Leaving the EHCR is a breach of the Good Friday agreement so expect trade deals to become invalid if this happens.
Think what we could do with that extra 4% of GDP? Tax cut? Increased spending on the NHS? Cheaper fuel prices?
Think how many fewer hotels would be needed without the Brexit-led unlawful immigration.
And Brexiters have been predicting the Netherlands, Poland and.Ireland leaving for years. Ain't gonna happen.
What a stupid thing to have agreed to in the first place. Stand up for this country instead of crawling to everyone. Even better cut NI lose .

1andrew1 28-07-2025 18:06
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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36199991)
What a stupid thing to have agreed to in the first place. Stand up for this country instead of crawling to everyone. Even better cut NI lose .
We were a member of the Council of Europe, keenly backed by Winston Churchill, which enacted the EHCR. Not so much as our agreeing to it but advocating it.

You can't cut NI loose, you'll never get a mandate in the UK to do that.


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