Cable Forum - Starmer’s chronicles

What exactly did you find insufficient about the 7 year long inquiry that included 15 investigations and produced 19 reports, and which of the recommendations do you disagree with?

I gave you a full answer to your question to me.

I was hoping to receive one back from you to mine.

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What do you think exactly are the recommendations in the report that will get to the heart of the rape gangs and address the cultural entitlement Pakistani men in these communities feel they have to rape young white girls with impunity?

Hugh	10-01-2025 23:07

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I try not to humour posters who ask "closed" loaded questions - your question was the equivalent of "have you stopped beating your wife?".

What Professor Jay said in her report was

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Prof Jay's inquiry noted that "many of the high-profile child sexual exploitation prosecutions have involved groups of men from minority ethnic communities" but a lack of data means it is "impossible to know whether any particular ethnic group is over-represented as perpetrators of child sexual exploitation by networks".

I wonder why you didn’t ask the question

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What do you think exactly are the recommendations in the report that will get to the heart of the sexual abusers and address the cultural entitlement Catholic men in these communities feel they have to sexually abuse young white children with impunity?

From the report

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The investigation into the Roman Catholic Church in England and Wales revealed a sorry history of child sexual abuse where abusive priests and members of religious orders and institutions preyed on children for prolonged periods of time. Between 1970 and 2015, the Church received more than 3,000 complaints against more than 900 individuals connected to the Church. In the same period, there were 177 prosecutions, resulting in 133 convictions. Millions of pounds have been paid to victims and survivors in civil proceedings. Since 2016, there have been more than 100 reported allegations of recent and non-recent child sexual abuse every year. The true scale of abuse over a 50-year period is likely to be much greater.

As the Government states

https://www.gov.uk/government/speech...d-sexual-abuse

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Exploitation and gangs
Nor is there any excuse for anyone not to recognise and act on the deep harm and damage from organised gang exploitation, abuse, sexual assaults and rape.

Ten years ago 2 reports by Alexis Jay and Louise Casey into Rotherham found that 1,400 children were sexually exploited, raped by multiple perpetrators, trafficked across other towns, abducted, beaten, threatened with guns, even children who had been doused in petrol, girls as young as 11 who were raped. Their reports identified then a decade ago, a failure to confront Pakistani heritage gangs and “a widespread perception that they should “downplay” the ethnic dimensions” for fear of being seen to be racist.

When those reports came out, those failings in Rotherham were condemned across the board by both government and opposition in this House, and as I said at the time “it is never an excuse to use race and ethnicity or community relations as an excuse not to investigate and punish sex offenders.” And the then Home Secretary made clear “cultural concerns and fear of being seen as racist must never stand in the way of child protection.”

The Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse also ran a specific investigation strand into child sexual exploitation by organised networks – it ran for 2 years and produced a separate report in February 2022 which concluded that police forces and local councils were still failing to tackle this serious crime and set out further recommendations for change.

1andrew1

11-01-2025 11:40

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Interesting to recall BoJo's take on child abuse enquiries.

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Boris Johnson says '£60m spaffed up the wall' on child abuse inquiries

https://news.sky.com/video/boris-joh...iries-11664122

I think Ian Hislop sums up the situation here quite well when talking about Musk.

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He also said that the X/Twitter owner’s reach is helped by “people who have been persuaded over the past five years or so that the mainstream media hasn’t covered any stories and that the only people who have noticed anything happening in the world are people sitting in their bedrooms and sending messages to each other”.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...-b2677250.html

Pierre

11-01-2025 13:19

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36189111)

I try not to humour posters who ask "closed" loaded questions - your question was the equivalent of "have you stopped beating your wife?".

A valid question if you have been beating her?

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What Professor Jay said in her report was:

Prof Jay's inquiry noted that "many of the high-profile child sexual exploitation prosecutions have involved groups of men from minority ethnic communities" but a lack of data means it is "impossible to know whether any particular ethnic group is over-represented as perpetrators of child sexual exploitation by networks".

Thank you, and that paragraph right there is why the report is a white washed load of nonsense.

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I wonder why you didn’t ask the question

What do you think exactly are the recommendations in the report that will get to the heart of the sexual abusers and address the cultural entitlement Catholic men in these communities feel they have to sexually abuse young white children with impunity?
From the report

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The investigation into the Roman Catholic Church in England and Wales revealed a sorry history of child sexual abuse where abusive priests and members of religious orders and institutions preyed on children for prolonged periods of time. Between 1970 and 2015, the Church received more than 3,000 complaints against more than 900 individuals connected to the Church. In the same period, there were 177 prosecutions, resulting in 133 convictions. Millions of pounds have been paid to victims and survivors in civil proceedings. Since 2016, there have been more than 100 reported allegations of recent and non-recent child sexual abuse every year. The true scale of abuse over a 50-year period is likely to be much greater.

Because, Mr Whataboutary,

We weren’t discussing the Catholic Church, in my response to you I said:

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That report lumped the Islamic Child Rape gangs in with other scandals such as the church, and Westminster, and a host of other issues (all valid btw)

But we’re not discussing the Catholic Church, you’re not a politician, as far as I know, so no need to deflect away from the issue.

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As the Government states

https://www.gov.uk/government/speech...d-sexual-abuse

And that’s a half decent statement, but it doesn’t delve into the actual cultural aspects that men from the Pakistani heritage and the sub-continent in general, that allows these men to undertake these actions, with friends and family, be charged and imprisoned, and when released welcomed back into their communities, as if they have just done a misdemeanour.

That’s what I would want from an inquiry, as a starting point.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36189119)

I think Ian Hislop sums up the situation here quite well when talking about Musk.

It’s not about Musk though, or at least it shouldn’t be.

1andrew1

12-01-2025 15:53

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I wonder how this will play out? It doesn't sound as open and shut a case as some but we need more info to judge.

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Tulip Siddiq could lose job if found she broke rules amid housing allegations, cabinet member suggests

Anti-corruption minister Tulip Siddiq could lose her job if the investigation into her properties finds she broke government rules, a cabinet member has suggested.

Science Secretary Peter Kyle was asked about Ms Siddiq on Sunday Morning with Trevor Phillips.

She has referred herself to the prime minister's independent adviser on ministers' interests, Sir Laurie Magnus, following reports she lived in properties in London linked to allies of her aunt, Sheikh Hasina, the deposed prime minister of Bangladesh.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...7a969914&ei=10

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36189068)

Well Starmer and Reeves have tanked the economy worse than Truss did.

Your three sources don't back up this bold allegation. They demonstrate that Reeves is worse on Truss than just one measure.

That's not tanking the economy worse than Truss did, by any stretch of the imagination!

I posted before the election that winning it for whichever party was going to be a poisoned chalice due to the state that public services were, the debt that we were in and the lack of growth. Nothing's changed on this front but it's a shame the government can't be honest with the electorate and explain that more money is needed due to Covid and under-funding and you will have to pay for it. That being said, a song and dance is being made about employers' NI contributions. I'm sympathetic on that to some extent, but I'm also aware that it's restoring employer NI rates to what they once were under the Conservatives.

papa smurf

12-01-2025 16:19

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36189189)

I wonder how this will play out? It doesn't sound as open and shut a case as some but we need more info to judge.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...7a969914&ei=10

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Your three sources don't back up this bold allegation. They demonstrate that Reeves is worse on Truss than just one measure.

That's not tanking the economy worse than Truss did, by any stretch of the imagination!

I posted before the election that winning it for whichever party was going to be a poisoned chalice due to the state that public services were, the debt that we were in and the lack of growth. Nothing's changed on this front but it's a shame the government can't be honest with the electorate and explain that more money is needed due to Covid and under-funding and you will have to pay for it. That being said, a song and dance is being made about employers' NI contributions. I'm sympathetic on that to some extent, but I'm also aware that it's restoring employer NI rates to what they once were under the Conservatives.

Interesting new tactic, chuck tulip to the wolves while you defend Rachael from customer services

Pierre

12-01-2025 17:52

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36189189)

We’ll see what happens when she drives us into a recession.

1andrew1

12-01-2025 18:51

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36189196)

We’ll see what happens when she drives us into a recession.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36189191)

Interesting new tactic, chuck tulip to the wolves while you defend Rachael from customer services

I hate to disillusion you. But you're not posting to Starmer, just a random apolitical poster on a small UK online forum.

papa smurf

12-01-2025 19:00

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36189200)

I think the sluggish economy we have will continue as is for the next couple of years unless Trump's policies cause another global financial crisis. I suspect this won’t happen.

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I hate to disillusion you. But you're not posting to Starmer, just a random apolitical poster on a small UK online forum.

Could you define apolitical as it is defined on your planet

Pierre

12-01-2025 21:59

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36189200)

I think the sluggish economy we have will continue

It wasn’t sluggish in July ‘24.

1andrew1

12-01-2025 23:31

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36189237)

It wasn’t sluggish in July ‘24.

Hmm, the stats don't agree with your statement.

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Monthly real gross domestic product (GDP) is estimated to have grown by 0.2% in August 2024, after showing no growth in July 2024 (unrevised from last publication).

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/gross...euk/august2024

papa smurf

13-01-2025 12:36

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Rachel Reeves 'very depressed' and 'can't see way out' of UK economy woes

The Chancellor is said to be feeling "very depressed" as she faces a gloomy economic outlook.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...ves-uk-economy

Rachel Reeves is reportedly feeling "very depressed" and "can't see a way out" amid UK economic turmoil.

Increases in the Government's borrowing costs have sparked concern that the Chancellor will be unable to meet her fiscal rules.

A source told The Times: “She’s got choices to make and she knows they’re all s***.”

But shadow business secretary Andrew Griffith said: "Rachel is apparently feeling depressed.

"Imagine how pensioners, farmers, businesses, families - and in fact everyone whose money or job she has taken away - feel.

"Bad socialist choices coming home to roost."

Itshim

13-01-2025 13:07

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36189247)