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jem 24-07-2026 21:57

Re: Climate Change
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36220173)
It’s not a good thing that a growing sector of the population is skeptical these days by pronouncements by scientists. They were much more diligent before the war and everything got rigorously peer reviewed before theories were published. What happened?

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It’s also pertinent to remember that ships once passed by Greenland when the sea was free of ice altogether, and yet if that happened now, everyone would be up in arms that something had to be done about it as it’s all our fault!

Sorry what, the seas around Greenland have been free of permanent ice for millennia. They still are.

OLD BOY 25-07-2026 11:02

Re: Climate Change
 
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Originally Posted by jem (Post 36220185)
Sorry what, the seas around Greenland have been free of permanent ice for millennia. They still are.

The Norse people farmed land on Greenland, which is too cold now to enable that.

The point I’m making is that there was previously a Medieval warm period, which ended around the 12th century, and the Little Ice Age followed, which ended around 1850. During that period, thickening sea ice between Iceland and Greenland made travel very difficult.

The climate changes and causes significant disruption to lives which can be relatively sudden - a bit like we’re going through right now.

Paul 25-07-2026 21:49

Re: Climate Change
 
It was not a proper (Global) Ice Age, just a slightly cooler period in the North.
It is believed to have been caused partly by Volcanic activity, changing ocean currents, and possibly lower solar output.

Much like the preceeding warmer period, it was just a slight variation in part of the planet, for a few hundred years, not global.

TheDaddy 25-07-2026 23:14

Re: Climate Change
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36220203)
The Norse people farmed land on Greenland, which is too cold now to enable that.

The point I’m making is that there was previously a Medieval warm period, which ended around the 12th century, and the Little Ice Age followed, which ended around 1850. During that period, thickening sea ice between Iceland and Greenland made travel very difficult.

The climate changes and causes significant disruption to lives which can be relatively sudden - a bit like we’re going through right now.

Funny I thought they farmed the sheltered sub artic fjords there, same as they did in Iceland

OLD BOY 26-07-2026 11:13

Re: Climate Change
 
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36220235)
It was not a proper (Global) Ice Age, just a slightly cooler period in the North.
It is believed to have been caused partly by Volcanic activity, changing ocean currents, and possibly lower solar output.

Much like the preceeding warmer period, it was just a slight variation in part of the planet, for a few hundred years, not global.

Yes, that indeed seems to be the case. But it shows how non man made events can lead to significant changes on the planet.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36220241)
Funny I thought they farmed the sheltered sub artic fjords there, same as they did in Iceland

You are correct that a small amount of farming takes place now, but it is restricted to 37 animal farms that are concentrated in sheltered southern coastal fjords near Narsaq, Qaqortoq and Nanortalik.

Norse settlers used the clement weather around 985 CE to establish farms, but following the transition to the Little Ice Age, farming became drastically harder, shortening the growing season to a point where crops failed to yield seeds, eventually forcing the Norse colonies to collapse or abandon agriculture for marine hunting.

To answer your point, yes, modern contemporary farming has addressed the cold-weather limitations that currently exist, although modern farmers still face occasional challenges like summer droughts.

1andrew1 26-07-2026 11:47

Re: Climate Change
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36220157)
They would say that, wouldn’t they? And I find it strange that you rubbish an article because it was ‘shared’ by Richard Tice.

Follow the money. Tice is a fossil fuel flunky who shares one-sided articles. The original source is the best.

OLD BOY 26-07-2026 19:31

Re: Climate Change
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36220253)
Follow the money. Tice is a fossil fuel flunky who shares one-sided articles. The original source is the best.

Typical knee jerk reaction by the left!

Hugh 26-07-2026 22:39

Re: Climate Change
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36220267)
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 View Post
Follow the money. Tice is a fossil fuel flunky who shares one-sided articles. The original source is the best.
Typical knee jerk reaction by the left!

Are you denying that Reform UK has received £22 million in donations from Thailand-based Christopher Harborne, whose firm AML Global sells jet fuel?

1andrew1 27-07-2026 05:48

Re: Climate Change
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36220267)
Typical knee jerk reaction by the left!

Reading the original source is not left wing or right wing! It's about thinking for yourself by looking at the facts.

papa smurf 27-07-2026 07:46

Re: Climate Change
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36220287)
Reading the original source is not left wing or right wing! It's about thinking for yourself by looking at the facts.

isn't that just looking at someone else's "facts"

Hugh 27-07-2026 08:51

Re: Climate Change
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36220288)
isn't that just looking at someone else's "facts"

Don’t look up…

Carth 27-07-2026 09:00

Re: Climate Change
 
Good film that . . .

anyway, 'thinking for yourself' is something many people now do by looking on Facebook and Twitter (X to me is a mark on a treasure map).

But have no fear, AI will soon be doing it for everyone ;)

Hugh 27-07-2026 09:56

Re: Climate Change
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36220288)
isn't that just looking at someone else's "facts"

I understand your dilemma…

Whose facts to believe - Richard Tice’s "facts", or the person who did the actual research and wrote the paper the Richard Tice got his "facts" from?

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36220290)
Good film that . . .

anyway, 'thinking for yourself' is something many people now do by looking on Facebook and Twitter (X to me is a mark on a treasure map).

But have no fear, AI will soon be doing it for everyone ;)

Good general point, but in this specific case, we are pointing out that looking at the source research material is relevant…

Basic data analysis and verification - check the source for validity and reliability (which is where "so-called" AI gets it wrong sometimes).

Carth 27-07-2026 10:09

Re: Climate Change
 
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Whose facts to believe - Richard Tice’s "facts", or the person who did the actual research and wrote the paper the Richard Tice got his "facts" from?
Seems to be a bit of a 'rabbit hole' to me. As I understand it, research probably involves gathering figures, measurements, extrapolations and conclusions done by others and pulling it all together to make sense (lol) of it, in which case 'facts' go even further back in the chain of 'writing a paper' on something. ;)

papa smurf 27-07-2026 12:26

Re: Climate Change
 
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36220297)
Seems to be a bit of a 'rabbit hole' to me. As I understand it, research probably involves gathering figures, measurements, extrapolations and conclusions done by others and pulling it all together to make sense (lol) of it, in which case 'facts' go even further back in the chain of 'writing a paper' on something. ;)

you could gather the figures,measurements ,extrapolations ,etc etc ,give the data to 10 separate bodies and get 10 different conclusions


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