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Paul 15-12-2022 13:26
Re: The future of television
 
So the important point is that if a programme is scheduled on a "channel" at Wednesday, 9pm, and you dont watch it at 9pm on Wednesday, you have missed it (unless its scheduled to be repeated at some other time). Also, it doesnt matter how its delivered, just the fixed timing ?

Chris 15-12-2022 14:31
Re: The future of television
 
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36141920)
So the important point is that if a programme is scheduled on a "channel" at Wednesday, 9pm, and you dont watch it at 9pm on Wednesday, you have missed it (unless its scheduled to be repeated at some other time). Also, it doesnt matter how its delivered, just the fixed timing ?
If you don’t watch it at 9pm on Wednesday you can use your PVR, or catch up stream if it exists … what’s important is that the TV station organises a broadcast schedule. It doesn’t matter how it’s broadcast - the BBC One IP stream accessed via iPlayer is still a linear TV channel, showing the news, then the One Show, followed by ‘Enders and whatever else, and even though you can select stuff on demand from the same app.

The two key questions this and similar threads have tried to address over the years are:

1. Will traditional broadcast over satellite and terrestrial eventually be shut down in favour of exclusively IP delivery?
2. Will IP delivered content be scheduled, on demand, or a mixture of both?

OLD BOY 15-12-2022 15:02
Re: The future of television
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36141909)
That’s the point most of have been making for the last seven years - things change, so making dogmatic predictions that things will come about by a certain date is "brave*" and "courageous*".

And, tbf, some of your recent predictions proved to be not congruent with actuality… ;)


*as in "Yes, Minister"
So, on this forum, nobody wants to discuss what might happen in the future. OK, message received, over and out.

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36141924)
If you don’t watch it at 9pm on Wednesday you can use your PVR, or catch up stream if it exists … what’s important is that the TV station organises a broadcast schedule. It doesn’t matter how it’s broadcast - the BBC One IP stream accessed via iPlayer is still a linear TV channel, showing the news, then the One Show, followed by ‘Enders and whatever else, and even though you can select stuff on demand from the same app.

The two key questions this and similar threads have tried to address over the years are:

1. Will traditional broadcast over satellite and terrestrial eventually be shut down in favour of exclusively IP delivery?
2. Will IP delivered content be scheduled, on demand, or a mixture of both?
Questions that no-one on this forum seems to want the answer to, or even discuss properly, except to insist nothing will change. This is despite the changes along that road fitting pretty well with a prediction I made seven years ago now, when forum members thought the whole idea of on demand viewing becoming a preferred means of watching TV in the future was nonsense and couldn’t be supported anyway due to a lack of electricity.

Those comments seem rather silly now, but there you are. Wallow in the past and present if you want to, but I like to look at what may be coming down the road.

I am perfectly aware of the fact that FAST channels are linear channels (I never said they were not) - what I am saying is that I believe the main channels on our EPG’s will be grouped under one brand in future and will be available on demand only. I’m at a loss as to why some people cannot grasp that simple concept. Instead, people are obsessing over whether a method of delivery is linear or not (etc, etc) and conflating what I have said into something completely different.

Is it so difficult to grasp the concept of EPG channels being on demand only, with content accessed by category rather than channel? In the end, that is all I am saying. FAST channels may or may not survive in the long term and I have not formed a firm view on whether they will survive or whether this is just a transitional phenomenon.

Anyway, enough. If all people want to do is argue and ridicule, I guess it’s pretty pointless trying to explain it any further. Only the passage of time will confirm what will happen. I’ve told you what I think. Make of it what you will.

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36141920)
So the important point is that if a programme is scheduled on a "channel" at Wednesday, 9pm, and you dont watch it at 9pm on Wednesday, you have missed it (unless its scheduled to be repeated at some other time). Also, it doesnt matter how its delivered, just the fixed timing ?
Yes, basically, but I would add that you can also record it.

It most certainly doesn’t really matter how content is delivered. All I have done is to say how I believe it will be delivered in the future.

Hugh 15-12-2022 15:03
Re: The future of television
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36141925)
So, on this forum, nobody wants to discuss what might happen in the future. OK, message received, over and out.
We’re happy to discuss possible futures, options, differences of opinions in what might happen in this (and other) areas.

Unfortunately, on this topic, you’re not - you’ve not just drawn a line in the sand about the future of linear programming, you’ve dug a 50 foot ditch, filled it with water and sharks, put minefields, barbed wire fences, and machine-gun towers either side of the ditch, then played loud music over the speakers on the towers so as not to be influenced by anything anyone else contributes… ;)

OLD BOY 15-12-2022 15:13
Re: The future of television
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36141911)
Scheduled linear television over the internet is a new phenomenon???
I didn’t say that. What is new is the variation of ‘themed’ FAST channels such as those listed on Pluto TV. And yes, these are linear channels over the internet, but that is not what I have been referring to in my prediction. My focus is the existing EPG channels.

But you know that.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36141930)
We’re happy to discuss possible futures, options, differences of opinions in what might happen in this (and other) areas.

Unfortunately, on this topic, you’re not - you’ve not just drawn a line in the sand about the future of linear programming, you’ve dug a 50 foot ditch, filled it with water and sharks, put minefields, barbed wire fences, and machine-gun towers either side of the ditch, then played loud music over the speakers on the towers so as not to be influenced by anything anyone else contributes… ;)
I’m trying to have a discussion, but nobody seems to want to discuss it. The whole idea is anathema to you guys!

I have answered all the relevant points that have been put to me but it’s as if I haven’t said anything, and the constant repetition of what I am supposed to have said when I have repeated time and again that is untrue, shows that people on here are not listening.

Chris 15-12-2022 15:14
Re: The future of television
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36141931)
I didn’t say that. What is new is the variation of ‘themed’ FAST channels such as those listed on Pluto TV. And yes, these are linear channels over the internet, but that is not what Ihave been referring to in my prediction. My focus is the existing EPG channels.

But you know that.

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I’m trying to have a discussion, but nobody seems to want to discuss it. The whole idea is anathema to you guys!

I have answered all the relevant points that have been put to me but it’s as if I haven’t said anything, and the constant repetition of what I am supposed to have said when I have repeated time and again that is untrue, shows that people on here are not listening.
You seem to be having some serious difficulty with the concept of people disagreeing with you.

Paul 15-12-2022 15:37
Re: The future of television
 
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36141924)
1. Will traditional broadcast over satellite and terrestrial eventually be shut down in favour of exclusively IP delivery?
2. Will IP delivered content be scheduled, on demand, or a mixture of both?
1. Not in our lifetimes, in the distant future, perhaps.
2. I think a mixture of both, for a very long time yet.

The difference between "scheduled+pvr" and "on-demand" is pretty much none.

In both cases, it has an initial release time, but can be watched "on-demand".
My wife watches all her shows like this, the sky box records them, she watches them when she is ready, sometimes weeks later.

jfman 15-12-2022 16:17
Re: The future of television
 
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=1197

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
What I am saying is that linear channels will become much less popular with time and that broadcasters will conclude that there is no point in continuing with them as programmes are far more accessible on demand. When all broadcasting goes to IPTV, the natural conclusion broadcasters are likely to make is that this is the appropriate time to change for the future.
My definition of a linear channel has always been clear.

A sequence of continuous programming where everyone watching that channel (or stream) is watching the exact same thing at the same time according to what the broadcaster sends out. It’s completely agnostic to the method of delivery.

OLD BOY 15-12-2022 16:34
Re: The future of television
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36141945)
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=1197



My definition of a linear channel has always been clear.

A sequence of continuous programming where everyone watching that channel (or stream) is watching the exact same thing at the same time according to what the broadcaster sends out. It’s completely agnostic to the method of delivery.
On that, we agree. But that was never in dispute.

Mr K 15-12-2022 16:34
Re: The future of television
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36141931)
I didn’t say that. What is new is the variation of ‘themed’ FAST channels such as those listed on Pluto TV. And yes, these are linear channels over the internet, but that is not what Ihave been referring to in my prediction. My focus is the existing EPG channels.

But you know that.

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I’m trying to have a discussion, but nobody seems to want to discuss it. The whole idea is anathema to you guys!

I have answered all the relevant points that have been put to me but it’s as if I haven’t said anything, and the constant repetition of what I am supposed to have said when I have repeated time and again that is untrue, shows that people on here are not listening.
Streaming is just too flaky OB. It's at the mercy of over subscription or being 'offline'. Mine was down for a couple of days last week. Without my beautiful aerial I'd have missed the England quarter final ( mind you that might not have been a bad thing).

At a time of national emergency we're going to be reliant on terrestrial broadcasts. All Putin has to do is hack our BB networks, something he's quite good at...
Tv isnt just for entertainment it's a public service, which needs more than one delivery medium to reach all.

OLD BOY 15-12-2022 16:43
Re: The future of television
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36141951)
Streaming is just too flaky OB. It's at the mercy of over subscription or being 'offline'. Mine was down for a couple of days last week. Without my beautiful aerial I'd have missed the England quarter final ( mind you that might not have been a bad thing).

At a time of national emergency we're going to be reliant on terrestrial broadcasts. All Putin has to do is hack our BB networks, something he's quite good at...
Tv isnt just for entertainment it's a public service, which needs more than one delivery medium to reach all.
I agree, there are indeed problems and concerns that still need to be ironed out. And yet broadcasters are ramping up their desire on get people to stream, hence the ‘digital first’ strategy.

Personally, I think these problems should be addressed before any switch off, but politicians are notoriously blind when it comes to planning for the future. Hence, they make decisions like turning off our access to fossil fuels before sufficient green energy is available to replace it.

Similarly, following any decision made to switch off the transmitters for TV broadcasting, they will not have resolved the legitimate issues you raise.

Hugh 15-12-2022 16:52
Re: The future of television
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36141945)
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=1197

Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY

What I am saying is that linear channels will become much less popular with time and that broadcasters will conclude that there is no point in continuing with them as programmes are far more accessible on demand. When all broadcasting goes to IPTV, the natural conclusion broadcasters are likely to make is that this is the appropriate time to change for the future.
My definition of a linear channel has always been clear.

A sequence of continuous programming where everyone watching that channel (or stream) is watching the exact same thing at the same time according to what the broadcaster sends out. It’s completely agnostic to the method of delivery.
Lest we forget, from just over two years ago…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=1615

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36060578)
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36060576)
That doesn’t make sense..:confused::confused:

‘Linear TV’ is a list of scheduled programmes, where the viewer knows in advance what is on and when/where - the fact that some programmes are transmitted live and others are pre-recorded is irrelevant; it’s the schedule/channel combo that makes them linear.

How the linear channels are delivered (DTT, cable, broadband, 5G, 6.5G, direct to the optic nerve) is irrelevant, it’s the pre-agreed schedule/channel that’s relevant.

ymmv
Linear TV is live in the sense that we are watching it as it is being broadcast. That’s why it is often described as ‘live TV’.

OLD BOY 15-12-2022 17:35
Re: The future of television
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36141954)
Lest we forget, from just over two years ago…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=1615
The contradiction being? It’s just saying the same thing in a different way. Two cheeks of the same posterior.

Hugh 15-12-2022 17:46
Re: The future of television
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36141959)
The contradiction being? It’s just saying the same thing in a different way. Two cheeks of the same posterior.
:dig::dig:

Linear TV definition

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Linear TV is a traditional system in which a viewer watches a scheduled TV program when it's broadcasted and on its original channel. The program can be recorded via DVR and watched later.
Live TV definition

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A live television or radio programme is one in which an event or performance is broadcast at exactly the same time as it happens, rather than being recorded first.
The cheeks of your aforementioned posterior appear to be spread quite widely apart…

OLD BOY 16-12-2022 08:53
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In case you missed it, the media is describing scheduled TV as live TV.


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