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Aguero9320 06-06-2021 21:13
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Originally Posted by Derekb108 (Post 36082053)
Are those channels going on Disney+ ?

Disney is really becoming disproportionate to being closed off to only SKY, as there's quite a lot of channels gone to their own Demand platform.... it was about time Disney+ came to Virgin their exclusivity should come to an end
The plan is that Disney close all their international channels, with all content being available via Disney+. They’ve also stated they won’t renew other 3rd party deals in order to prioritise Disney+.

Disney are reportedly favourites to purchase BT Sport, which could lead to further linear closures and the launch of ESPN+ in the UK.

vincerooney 06-06-2021 23:37
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Originally Posted by Aguero9320 (Post 36082093)
The plan is that Disney close all their international channels, with all content being available via Disney+. They’ve also stated they won’t renew other 3rd party deals in order to prioritise Disney+.

Disney are reportedly favourites to purchase BT Sport, which could lead to further linear closures and the launch of ESPN+ in the UK.
Didnt know Sky had exclusive access to disney? If disney do buy BT Sport I hope they start getting some of the rights back from other channels. Get Serie A back and La Liga. At that point we'd only have to pay two different subscriptions at least!

Legendkiller2k 07-06-2021 12:19
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Talks have broken down between Disney+ and virgin media.
Not sure what's happened yet but looks like it's down to money VM want a bigger cut than what's offered.

OLD BOY 07-06-2021 17:53
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It’s a shame. I suppose that driving a hard bargain gets a better price for customers, or maybe simply a bigger profit for VM, but in the end, it looks like the ambition to be a ‘super aggregator’ is a bit pie in the sky.

Sooner or later, there will be a better proposition that will benefit customers that will neatly contain everything integrated in one box, including terrestrial and Sky. That will see VM dead in the water.

The opportunity is there I think for Sky to seize. If it does so, they will get my custom, that is for sure. They are almost there, actually.

A great pity, and a wasted opportunity.

Itshim 07-06-2021 19:14
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36082142)
It’s a shame. I suppose that driving a hard bargain gets a better price for customers, or maybe simply a bigger profit for VM, but in the end, it looks like the ambition to be a ‘super aggregator’ is a bit pie in the sky.

Sooner or later, there will be a better proposition that will benefit customers that will neatly contain everything integrated in one box, including terrestrial and Sky. That will see VM dead in the water.

The opportunity is there I think for Sky to seize. If it does so, they will get my custom, that is for sure. They are almost there, actually.

A great pity, and a wasted opportunity.
Dont see virgin around in the next ten years or so. At least not with its current offerings my guess cable tv as we know it will be a thing of the past. Good grief even a ludite such as myself use the tv live side less and less :D

jfman 07-06-2021 19:25
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36082142)
It’s a shame. I suppose that driving a hard bargain gets a better price for customers, or maybe simply a bigger profit for VM, but in the end, it looks like the ambition to be a ‘super aggregator’ is a bit pie in the sky.

Sooner or later, there will be a better proposition that will benefit customers that will neatly contain everything integrated in one box, including terrestrial and Sky. That will see VM dead in the water.

The opportunity is there I think for Sky to seize. If it does so, they will get my custom, that is for sure. They are almost there, actually.

A great pity, and a wasted opportunity.
Are Sky any better at "super aggregating"?

Ultimately all of these content owners want to vertically integrate their way past platforms. It's not for existing successful platforms to prop up fledgeling streamers. Many of whom will go the way of Eleven Sports who you would have had propped up by both Sky and Virgin driving up the costs they have with their own content owners.

Legendkiller2k 07-06-2021 19:29
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36082142)
It’s a shame. I suppose that driving a hard bargain gets a better price for customers, or maybe simply a bigger profit for VM, but in the end, it looks like the ambition to be a ‘super aggregator’ is a bit pie in the sky.

Sooner or later, there will be a better proposition that will benefit customers that will neatly contain everything integrated in one box, including terrestrial and Sky. That will see VM dead in the water.

The opportunity is there I think for Sky to seize. If it does so, they will get my custom, that is for sure. They are almost there, actually.

A great pity, and a wasted opportunity.
Once FTTP is rolled out more widescale VM are in trouble one would think.
But that is still a long way away.

OLD BOY 07-06-2021 20:22
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36082145)
Are Sky any better at "super aggregating"?

Ultimately all of these content owners want to vertically integrate their way past platforms. It's not for existing successful platforms to prop up fledgeling streamers. Many of whom will go the way of Eleven Sports who you would have had propped up by both Sky and Virgin driving up the costs they have with their own content owners.
Well, yes, of course they are, but I agree they could do better. Even so, they are leaving Virgin, who initially took the lead, well behind.

You can quote Eleven Sports as much as you like, but their failure in the UK does not come near to proving your point. Any business can fail. Vice TV didn’t do too well over here either, did it?

Existing platforms need to support streamers, which are the key to the future. Those who do not will suffer the fate they deserve.

Technology is a fast moving industry and you either keep up or fall by the wayside.

jfman 07-06-2021 20:24
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Which streaming providers do Sky “aggregate”?

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Existing platforms need to support streamers
I absolutely disagree with this statement. That’s like paying a subcontractor to eat into your own business.

OLD BOY 07-06-2021 20:25
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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36082146)
Once FTTP is rolled out more widescale VM are in trouble one would think.
But that is still a long way away.
Virgin could succeed in my opinion, but it is looking to me now that it is unlikely, because of their attitude. They just don’t have the passion for it.

jfman 07-06-2021 20:29
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36082149)
Virgin could succeed in my opinion, but it is looking to me now that it is unlikely, because of their attitude. They just don’t have the passion for it.
Gigabit connectivity to millions of homes. I’d not be sweating for a while yet because someone doesn’t like the fact they don’t fund fledgeling streamers.

OLD BOY 07-06-2021 20:29
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36082148)
Which streaming providers do Sky “aggregate”?
Netflix, Amazon, Discovery+, Disney+ - hell, jf man, you can do your own research.

https://www.digitaltveurope.com/2020...to-bear-fruit/

jfman 07-06-2021 20:33
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36082151)
Netflix, Amazon, Discovery+, Disney+ - hell, jf man, you can do your own research.

https://www.digitaltveurope.com/2020...to-bear-fruit/
Which can you buy in one single integrated package?

Having an app on a box isn’t the same thing.

I can indeed do my own research but to be honest I’d prefer you justified your positions first.

OLD BOY 07-06-2021 20:36
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36082148)



I absolutely disagree with this statement. That’s like paying a subcontractor to eat into your own business.
The fact is old chum, that the streamers are taking content away from Sky. If Sky cannot offer their subscribers the content they want on their platform, their customers’ eyes will wander elsewhere.

Surely even you will be aware of the potential damage Disney could have done to Sky by taking away their programming.

Your one dimensional view of things really does throw up some strange arguments, jfman! Sky cannot afford to disregard the future of TV as you do.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36082152)
Which can you buy in one single integrated package?

Having an app on a box isn’t the same thing.

I can indeed do my own research but to be honest I’d prefer you justified your positions first.
It’s not just about money. It’s about getting all your searchable content in one box. That’s what most savvy customers want.

jfman 07-06-2021 20:44
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36082153)
The fact is old chum, that the streamers are taking content away from Sky. If Sky cannot offer their subscribers the content they want on their platform, their customers’ eyes will wander elsewhere.
A foolish conclusion.

The average person - in particular due to the massive economic impact of COVID-19 - does not have unlimited income. Does not have unlimited discretionary expenditure.

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Surely even you will be aware of the potential damage Disney could have done to Sky by taking away their programming.
Potential.

Equally it could damage Disney in the long run.

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Your one dimensional view of things really does throw up some strange arguments, jfman! Sky cannot afford to disregard the future of TV as you do.
Yawn, they literally operate a streamer.

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It’s not just about money. It’s about getting all your searchable content in one box. That’s what most savvy customers want.
Not at unlimited cost I’m sure. Neither do streamers want their content presented below another provider because they ponied up more.

It’s literally all about money. Your wet dream of them all striking wholesale agreements with some streaming box provider is just that. Fantasy.


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