Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36040532)

I am contributing.I have been trying to get people to actually come up with any kind of strategy to actually address the issue..

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36040533)

Well, they can start with introducing a general equality law rather than . . <snip>

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36040536)

The thing is there isn't a law that specifically targets minority groups. It's people, and their interpretation of said laws . . <snip>

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36040536)

White, able bodied, heterosexual men don't experience the downside of such unconscious, or even conscious, bias.

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36040549)

I dont know how you managed to say that with a straight face. :erm:

Did you miss the post about the Football League 'rule'.

Is there a rule that says they must interview a none BAME candidate ?
(Answer: No, there isnt).

I have seen countless adverts from my local council stating they "particularly welcome" applicants from non white communities, more bias.

You dont fix racism by applying it in the opposite direction.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36040533)

Well, they can start with introducing a general equality law rather than specify the particular minority groups who can benefit from it. That would at least end the resentment of able-bodied, heterosexual white men that currently exists. Maybe then people will start to see equality in a different light.

With all members of the public on board (due to self interest) the pressure will finally exist to weigh against employers who do not have proper processes in place to select staff, against police to demonstrate suitable cause to arrest and detain, etc. The population will be speaking with one voice.

I do believe education is already happening. All the young people I contact are very aware of the stupidity and injustice of discrimination in all its forms. The older generation who hold racist views are, frankly, beyond help, but they are becoming less relevant with time.

However, minority groups need to be careful as well. If they press too hard, resentment will surface on both sides. This whole issue needs to be carefully managed, and pulling down statues will have the opposite effect from that intended by right thinking people.

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36040549)

I dont know how you managed to say that with a straight face. :erm:

Did you miss the post about the Football League 'rule'.

Is there a rule that says they must interview a none BAME candidate ?
(Answer: No, there isnt).

I have seen countless adverts from my local council stating they "particularly welcome" applicants from non white communities, more bias.

You dont fix racism by applying it in the opposite direction.

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36040560)

All anyone should want is equality of opportunity. As long as there is equal and fair access for all. Outcome should depend on the individuals talent and ability.

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36040560)

All anyone should want is equality of opportunity. As long as there is equal and fair access for all. Outcome should depend on the individuals talent and ability.

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36040563)

Don't we already have that https://www.eoc.org.uk/

The Equality Act has specified 9 areas that are termed in the legislation as protected characteristics. These include (in no particular order):

Age
Sex
Race
Disability
Pregnancy
Marital status
Sexual orientation.
Gender reassignment
Religious background

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36040564)

Indeed but my point was more aimed at those that push for equality of outcome. i.e. a specific quota of whatever minority you might think of.

Meaning you put a less able and qualified person ahead of a more able and qualified person just to fulfil an outcome.

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36040563)

Don't we already have that https://www.eoc.org.uk/

The Equality Act has specified 9 areas that are termed in the legislation as protected characteristics. These include (in no particular order):

Age
Sex
Race
Disability
Pregnancy
Marital status
Sexual orientation.
Gender reassignment
Religious background

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36040564)

Indeed but my point was more aimed at those that push for equality of outcome. i.e. a specific quota of whatever minority you might think of.

Meaning you put a less able and qualified person ahead of a more able and qualified person just to fulfil an outcome.

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36040564)

Indeed but my point was more aimed at those that push for equality of outcome. i.e. a specific quota of whatever minority you might think of.

Meaning you put a less able and qualified person ahead of a more able and qualified person just to fulfil an outcome.

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36040570)

This "equality of opportunity" is just a load of nonsense. There are so many factors involved for EVERYBODY. If anything, it's White, British, Heterosexual, Males, that are last in line.

Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36040571)

:rofl: