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Immediate threat to Theresa May subsides after 'warm' meeting with Conservative MPs

https://news.sky.com/story/immediate...e-mps-11441076

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Preparingfor a no deal brexit too by the looks of it.

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Or pretending to. The EU are doing the same, but neither are really contemplating 'no deal'. May admitted at the weekend that no preparation had been done at ports for a no deal scenario.

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no way will get that past parliament as that mean hard border in Ireland you and no way will DUP vote for that

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You can insult me all you want, but there is no better description for Juncker, Selmayr, Barnier and their cohorts.

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I am not insulting you at all. Rather, I feel you are insulting us. Your constant use of "turds" is just trolling, plain and simple. If you do not agree with the institution that is the EU, argue your case like an adult, not a child.

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Personally only children insult as rational adults discuss or debate or that is what they are supposed to do....

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You should come off your high horse. "Turds" is a very apt description of those people as a cohort and accusing me of trolling and being childish is just your lame way of disagreeing.

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As you can see from my posts, I do debate and very rationally at that. I find the word "Turds" to describe the particular Brussels cohort as highly appropriate and very convenient shorthand.

You lot are devoting far too much attention to insulting me rather than debating the issues and where we go from here.

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l have not insulted you at all so a retraction from that accusation would be appropriate as please tell me where l have insulted you?.

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You are assuming the EU will extend the term of A50 in the event they reject the white paper proposals. If they don't then parliament won't even get a vote. We'll be out with no deal.

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you called me names . .

no I didn't . .

yes you did . .


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This is the great dilemma, Pip.

The relevant A50 text is:

3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.

The UK needn't ask for an extension. It might be a useful tactic not to ask but to see whether or not the EU seeks an extension, given the amount of skin they have in the exports to UK game.

I've seen somewhere that the UK intends to be tariff free on day 1. It might be prudent to make that to all but the EU except for food and medicines. Choices here are not easy, but we need to turn the tables on the Brussels <removed>.

Out with no deal doesn't seem like a bad idea to me given what we are dealing with and it delivers the Referendum result.

The above sentence then raises other questions. What was in the mind of the 52% about some of the economic fears raised over Brexit? This could be tested in a second Referendum and I think some serious opinion polling needs to be done here on a very much larger sample than the 1,500 or so sampled by Yougov last week.

As you know, if you've read my posts, I'm not against remaining so long as we can keep sticking it to the Brussels <removed>. After all our prosperity has grown with/despite (view it as you wish) the EU. I'm disappointed that some Remainers can't accept the Referendum result, which was a democratically conducted process albeit on crap claims from both sides, particularly Leave. But eyes are open now; 52/48 wasn't as overwhelming at 66/34 would have been.

A second referendum wouldn't take place with this PM. Nor would the Conservatives be re-elected unless this PM delivers a stunning result. She might be ousted then we are in no-mans-land unless someone very strong and credible takes over. Corbyn's party (bar a few with decent principles) are only trying to gain power and are not interested in working as parliamentarians to obtain a good Brexit deal. We must never have Labour led by Corbyn and his Reds getting into power.

Should we have a new non-socialist party that can do what Kadimah did in Israel whenever that was (save for the corruption that their PM was brought to book)?

Brexit has brought turmoil to the UK for the wrong reasons.

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Of course I read your posts Seph, I respect your opinion though I may not always agree with it.

I knew the relevant part of A50 before posting as I have read and digested it as well as the other two articles referred to therein (something some remainers may not have done perhaps).

We cannot be tariff free from day one as we are unable at present to make trade deals so WTO rules would apply. That does not mean to say that trade deals have not already been discussed, agreed and just awaiting signing when we leave. We are not privvy to that info.

As regards a second referendum I'm sorry but I disagree. If the majority of remainers were so against the referendum result one would have expected them to vote for a party that was against leaving in the Gen. Elec. that soon followed. As it stands 82% of the electorate that voted did so for the two main parties that advocated withdrawl albeit on possible different terms.

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The Times is reporting that the Tory Chief Whip ordered his MPs to break the pairing and the Tories aren't denying that. Seems to be generating a lot of anger in the commons.