Re: smoking and the pub
 

I am not trying to deny the effects of passive smoking (although I am sure some will). I am merely trying to point out and ask whether this particular ban is really going to make any difference to illness from passive smoking, and as I have pointed out before will have minimal effects on children who can not always make a choice about which environment they are in. If the government is serious about this topic why does it not simply ban smoking full stop, rather than some half-arsed measure that, to my mind at least, is not going to make much difference to illness. The issue is not simply about passive smoking per se.

Not liking the smell is hardly a reason to ban something. Car fumes have the same effect on clothing etc. as you suggest. If I didn't like the smell of flowers and I had an allergic reaction to them does this mean I can rip them up even if they are providing pleasure to others? (Not a brilliant analogy I know but the points the same)

Re: smoking and the pub
 

It is one of a list of reasons, and I doubt you could find anyone who likes the smell of smoke on their clothes.
I would be happy for a total ban. But at the moment that doesn't seem to be on the cards so all we can do is take steps towards it.

It seems you are not against the ban but don't consider it to be enough?

Re: smoking and the pub
 

I've never been out and then come home and had my cloths stink of car fumes!!!

Re: smoking and the pub
 

You're obviously going to the wrong pubs ;) :disturbd:

Re: smoking and the pub
 

Allow me to sum this one up for you neatly.

I don't smoke, never have, never will. Very few of my friends smoke.

I work in pub/social club. Sometimes I'm behind the bar, other times I'm on a stage doing a music set. The only times I'm subjected to prolonged passive smoking is therefore when I'm at work.

Logic dictates that if my exposure to passive smoking is removed (by way of a ban or whatever) then that will make a HUGE difference to my chances of contracting an illness from it.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

I don't think I would suport a total ban but at least would show the government was serious about public health and would be grounded in supportive research.

Have you ever been out in London?
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Logic perhaps, but what about research. And are you so confident that the difference will be HUGE?

Re: smoking and the pub
 

How is it that you don't think this ban is grounded in supportive research anyway?

Passive smoking is bad for your health. Therefore by reducing the possibility for people to be exposed to passive smoking, you are reducing the negative effect on your health.

Can it be any more simple?
But you don't have to live in London to have your clothes smell of cigarette smoke...

Re: smoking and the pub
 

Erm.....you're not serious???

How on earth can passive smoking affect my health if I'm not around any smoke for me to breathe it in, which would be the result of such a ban???

Are you sure you know what passive smoking is???

Re: smoking and the pub
 

Something which I am not denying but I would like to see research around exposure times etc. for the type of effect that this ban will have. That is my point.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

OK but without those figures (which are seemingly impossible to get) you are not denying that there will be some positive effect on health?

Re: smoking and the pub
 

One in every three people will be diagnosed with cancer at some point in their life. Not very good odds, whether you smoke/exposed to smoke or not... :(
Being an ex-smoker, I've already done permanent damage to myself and perhaps, to others... :( I think a ban in all enclosed public places should be enforced really. Can't see any other way.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

No exposure (which would be the result of a ban) to smoke = no passive smoking for non-smokers.

If there's any research on earth which defies that then I will show my butt in Tesco's windows.

Re: smoking and the pub
 

At last you might have an excuse for your disgraceful hobby!

Re: smoking and the pub
 

*ahem*

Do you mean your fag butt :PP:

Re: smoking and the pub
 

The 1 in 3 figure is not specific to smoking related cancer though, is it?