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Mr K 17-08-2022 20:01
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Originally Posted by Mad M:Dax (Post 36131537)
Photoshopped
Nope, on video too.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iCNwXHaTDik

So sad not to have a hero anymore.......

Mad Max 17-08-2022 20:07
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36131543)
Nope, on video too.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iCNwXHaTDik

So sad not to have a hero anymore.......
Missed the question mark.......:LOL:

OLD BOY 17-08-2022 20:20
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Originally Posted by daveeb (Post 36131510)
Yes didn't seem to be the best idea to insult the majority of the British workforce when you're looking for public support. We should all be like the London workforce apparently and get off our lazy arses :rolleyes:
You’ve never heard of the British Disease, then? She was only articulating what we already know.

We are not as productive as other countries and that needs to change if we want more money going into our public services.

Sad, but true.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36131522)
Speaking in defence of Truss, I wonder what gave her the impression that Brits need to work a bit harder? :D

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...9&d=1660736575
JRM is the Conservative Party’s John Prescott, only more eloquent and intelligent.

Jacob is Jacob.

:D

Mr K 17-08-2022 20:20
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36131545)
You’ve never heard of the British Disease, then? She was only articulating what we already know.

We are not as productive as other countries and that needs to change if we want more money going into our public services.

Sad, but true.
How productive are you OB ? Watching streaming TV and posting rubbish on here isn't adding much to the economy ?

daveeb 17-08-2022 20:22
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36131545)
You’ve never heard of the British Disease, then? She was only articulating what we already know.

We are not as productive as other countries and that needs to change if we want more money going into our public services.

Sad, but true.
Just more Tory gaslighting I'm afraid, but the biggest idler I can think of is currently on holiday in Greece.

jfman 17-08-2022 20:29
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36131545)
You’ve never heard of the British Disease, then? She was only articulating what we already know.

We are not as productive as other countries and that needs to change if we want more money going into our public services.
:rofl:

And here I thought we were an economic powerhouse just waiting to be unleashed when we unshackled ourselves from EU bureaucracy.

Your passion for public services in this post would bring a tear to a glass eye.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=4260

OLD BOY 17-08-2022 20:46
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36131551)
:rofl:

And here I thought we were an economic powerhouse just waiting to be unleashed when we unshackled ourselves from EU bureaucracy.
We certainly could be. We need a bit of firm government wielding carrot and stick.

Hugh 17-08-2022 20:48
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36131560)
We certainly could be. We need a bit of firm government wielding carrot and stick.
Here we go…

And pray tell, what would the "stick" be?

OLD BOY 17-08-2022 20:49
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36131549)
How productive are you OB ? Watching streaming TV and posting rubbish on here isn't adding much to the economy ?
I’m very productive, Mr K, which is why I can only respond to posts at certain times. And I watch only one and a half hours per night of TV except on Fridays and Saturdays.

As usual, wrong on all counts. Sorry, mate.

Mr K 17-08-2022 20:53
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36131563)
I’m very productive, Mr K, which is why I can only respond to posts at certain times. And I watch only one and a half hours per night of TV except on Fridays and Saturdays.

As usual, wrong on all counts. Sorry, mate.
So what is your output that benefits the UK?

Hugh 17-08-2022 20:59
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36131564)
So what is your output that benefits the UK?
Tbf, fertiliser is very helpful to farmers…

jfman 17-08-2022 21:11
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36131564)
So what is your output that benefits the UK?
Now now, something to make us laugh at times of difficulty is indeed value.

Hugh 17-08-2022 21:36
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Now now, something to make us laugh at times of difficulty is indeed value.
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...0&d=1660768572

ianch99 18-08-2022 09:24
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Interesting question posed to Truss at a husting:

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Audience member tells Liz Truss: “You have supported a Prime Minister that has continually lied to the Queen, parliament and the entire UK. Therefore does this not bring into question your own personal integrity and honesty?"
He/She has a point ...

Hugh 18-08-2022 09:42
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He didn’t lie, he was just economical with the truth/employed alternative facts/generous with his mendacity/excellent in his equivocation/prefers porkies/deliberately dissembles…

GrimUpNorth 18-08-2022 09:45
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36131587)
Interesting question posed to Truss at a husting:



He/She has a point ...
Boris didn't lie, it was the cake what did it.

Sephiroth 18-08-2022 09:50
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36131587)
Interesting question posed to Truss at a husting:



He/She has a point ...
They has a point ....

Pierre 18-08-2022 09:56
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36131595)
They has a point ....
They 'have' a point, if you're going down that road.

Chris 18-08-2022 09:58
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They ‘had’ a point …

Sephiroth 18-08-2022 10:06
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36131597)
They 'have' a point, if you're going down that road.
Ah - no. "They" is used as a singular pronoun.

Anyway, it was a good question posed to Truss. She was part of the collective and is making promises that will lead to further disaster.

Hugh 18-08-2022 11:08
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36131469)
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...droidApp_Other

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Liz Truss, now the Tory leadership frontrunner, launched an astonishing broadside against British workers, saying they needed “more graft” and suggesting they lacked the “skill and application” of foreign rivals, the Guardian can reveal.

In a leaked recording, the then No 2 at the Treasury also risked pitting Londoners against the rest of the country by attempting to explain the difference between the capital and other regions in the UK.
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In the leaked recording, Truss began: “I once wrote a book about this which got mischaracterised – British workers produce less per hour than … and that’s a combination of kind of skill and application.”

She went on: “If you look at productivity, it’s very, very different in London from the rest of the country. But basically … this has been a historical fact for decades. Essentially it’s partly a mindset and attitude thing, I think. It’s working culture, basically. If you go to China it’s quite different, I can assure you.”

The minister, who had close oversight of public spending, added: “There’s a fundamental issue of British working culture. Essentially, if we’re going to be a richer country and a more prosperous country, that needs to change. But I don’t think people are that keen to change that.

“There’s a slight thing in Britain about wanting the easy answers. That’s my reflection on the election and what’s gone before it, and the referendum – we say it’s all Europe that’s causing these huge problems … it’s all these migrants causing these problems. But actually what needs to happen is more … more graft. It’s not a popular message.”
She keeps London out of her accusation so, as a Londoner, what's wrong with the rest of you? :D
https://www.reuters.com/business/wea...ty-2021-11-15/

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Low business investment, weak management and too few commercial patents are the main factors behind Britain's weak productivity record that has been a puzzle for policymakers for years, according to new research published on Monday.

The study, by researchers at the London School of Economics and the Resolution Foundation think tank, said low business investment was the clearest difference between Britain and higher-productivity nations.

Business capital investment in Britain was 10% of gross domestic product in 2019, compared with 13% on average in the United States, Germany and France.

British business investment in research and development also lagged behind levels in other countries.
Interesting article from the Telegraph.

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https://www....ty-crisis-why/

TheDaddy 18-08-2022 12:00
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36131607)
Far easier to blame the little man though isn't it, far easier to erode their terms and conditions, get rid of some of them without replacing them so those remaining have to do their job on top of their own, far easier to compare our workers to China where suicide is often preferable than returning to work after lunch than look at those real reasons, still thank goodness those no marks like blunder woman are so hard working, Pritti Patel can command £1000 per hour, imagine how hard she works for that

OLD BOY 18-08-2022 13:43
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36131611)
Far easier to blame the little man though isn't it, far easier to erode their terms and conditions, get rid of some of them without replacing them so those remaining have to do their job on top of their own, far easier to compare our workers to China where suicide is often preferable than returning to work after lunch than look at those real reasons, still thank goodness those no marks like blunder woman are so hard working, Pritti Patel can command £1000 per hour, imagine how hard she works for that
It’s basically because the big unions, who laughingly ‘represent’ working people, are preventing modernisation and increased productivity. And yes, management are too weak to take them on, as are governments of various hues. The whole country needs to smarten up and buckle down to achieve better wealth, and somehow we have to debt rid of the malaise that prevents us from acting.

We could achieve so much, but unfortunately we have too many wreckers trying to cause disruption and failure. They don’t want success, they constantly strive to achieve failure to achieve…well, you tell me. I think Communism is their aim, and those of us who want this country to succeed must not let them win.

You can call politicians names if you like, and that is so clever of you, but if it is that easy, why don’t you stand for election as an MP? The position of Home Secretary is one of the most important positions in government, and Labour got through a fair few in it’s last reign because they couldn’t handle it. Priti Patel works for her money, I can assure you.

BenMcr 18-08-2022 13:56
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36131637)
It’s basically because the big unions, who laughingly ‘represent’ working people, are preventing modernisation and increased productivity.
I'd be interested in any specific examples you're referring to here.

Paul 18-08-2022 14:11
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36131587)
He/She has a point ...
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36131595)
They has a point ....
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36131597)
They 'have' a point, if you're going down that road.
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36131599)
They ‘had’ a point …
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36131604)
Ah - no. "They" is used as a singular pronoun.
This is all getting pointless :erm:

TheDaddy 18-08-2022 15:41
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36131637)
It’s basically because the big unions, who laughingly ‘represent’ working people, are preventing modernisation and increased productivity. And yes, management are too weak to take them on, as are governments of various hues. The whole country needs to smarten up and buckle down to achieve better wealth, and somehow we have to debt rid of the malaise that prevents us from acting.
We have some of the toughest union laws in the world, the union bosses can't call a strike without a large turnout in favour of it, modernisation means people getting sacked so I don't blame the workers for resisting or their union for acting in their interests

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We could achieve so much, but unfortunately we have too many wreckers trying to cause disruption and failure. They don’t want success, they constantly strive to achieve failure to achieve…well, you tell me. I think Communism is their aim, and those of us who want this country to succeed must not let them win.
Wibble

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You can call politicians names if you like, and that is so clever of you, but if it is that easy, why don’t you stand for election as an MP? The position of Home Secretary is one of the most important positions in government, and Labour got through a fair few in it’s last reign because they couldn’t handle it. Priti Patel works for her money, I can assure you.
How can you assure anyone that, were you there with her, what was your role, lapdog? Perhaps I'll stop calling them names when they stop calling me and millions of others lazy to try and cover up the real issues but they won't because it might mean they have to do something about it

Mr K 18-08-2022 16:11
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A true test of the new PM is whether they get rid of the useless articles that are Priti Patel and Nadine Dorries. If they keep them then it's Carry on Chaos as usual.
Tbf there is a lack of any talent to replace them..

1andrew1 18-08-2022 17:42
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36131679)
A true test of the new PM is whether they get rid of the useless articles that are Priti Patel and Nadine Dorries. If they keep them then it's Carry on Chaos as usual.
Tbf there is a lack of any talent to replace them..
That's a very low bar you have set there, you could add many more to it including Grant Shapps and Sleepy Jacob (Rees-Mogg).

GrimUpNorth 18-08-2022 21:12
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36131637)
It’s basically because the big unions, who laughingly ‘represent’ working people, are preventing modernisation and increased productivity. And yes, management are too weak to take them on, as are governments of various hues. The whole country needs to smarten up and buckle down to achieve better wealth, and somehow we have to debt rid of the malaise that prevents us from acting.

We could achieve so much, but unfortunately we have too many wreckers trying to cause disruption and failure. They don’t want success, they constantly strive to achieve failure to achieve…well, you tell me. I think Communism is their aim, and those of us who want this country to succeed must not let them win.

You can call politicians names if you like, and that is so clever of you, but if it is that easy, why don’t you stand for election as an MP? The position of Home Secretary is one of the most important positions in government, and Labour got through a fair few in it’s last reign because they couldn’t handle it. Priti Patel works for her money, I can assure you.
I've lost count how many times during this government I've heard one minister or another use the phrase "hardworking families". Seems they must have all been lying so and so's. That's why you should never vote Conservative.

jfman 19-08-2022 07:59
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36131637)
We could achieve so much, but unfortunately we have too many wreckers trying to cause disruption and failure.
We call them the Conservative Party.

How much of this great nation’s wealth and resource can be plundered into offshore tax havens, contracts worth billions tendered without competition to friends of friends. Peerages for sons of Russian KGB agents.

To accuse workers - during the biggest fall of living standards since the Second World War - of wanting communism is pure deluded fantasy Old Boy.

As Britain remains on it’s crash course to a failed state though, who knows, we might even give some communist countries a run for their worthless money.

Mr K 19-08-2022 22:23
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The prospect of PM Truss is enthusing the nation !

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Westminster voting intention:

LAB: 43% (+4)
CON: 28% (-2)
LDEM: 11% (-1)

via
@YouGov

Chgs. w/ 10 Aug
https://mobile.twitter.com/BritainEl...24899152666624

Mick 20-08-2022 00:36
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36131737)
We call them the Conservative Party.

How much of this great nation’s wealth and resource can be plundered into offshore tax havens, contracts worth billions tendered without competition to friends of friends. Peerages for sons of Russian KGB agents.

To accuse workers - during the biggest fall of living standards since the Second World War - of wanting communism is pure deluded fantasy Old Boy.

As Britain remains on it’s crash course to a failed state though, who knows, we might even give some communist countries a run for their worthless money.
Biggest load of claptrap I’ve read in ages.

Now look up Labour, Barry Gardiner, Chinese spy hiring. In fact, I’ll post a story of it from earlier this year. https://news.sky.com/story/christine...m-him-12515277

So, yes that’s a Labour MP receiving £500,000 from an alleged Chinese spy. :rolleyes:

Dave42 20-08-2022 01:33
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Michael Gove backs Rishi Sunak for Tory leader as he accuses Liz Truss of taking 'holiday from reality'

https://news.sky.com/story/michael-g...ality-12677032

everyone knows it gonna be Truss

denphone 20-08-2022 07:02
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36131797)
The prospect of PM Truss is enthusing the nation !


https://mobile.twitter.com/BritainEl...24899152666624
Very concerning for those who think having a new prime minister in a few weeks will make a real difference to the Conservative party brand and opinion poll position..

jfman 20-08-2022 08:35
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36131803)
Biggest load of claptrap I’ve read in ages.

Now look up Labour, Barry Gardiner, Chinese spy hiring. In fact, I’ll post a story of it from earlier this year. https://news.sky.com/story/christine...m-him-12515277

So, yes that’s a Labour MP receiving £500,000 from an alleged Chinese spy. :rolleyes:
And yet none of that contradicts anything I said in my post.

Maggy 20-08-2022 09:02
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Unless you are a conservative and eligible to vote it hardly concerns the rest of us.Why not wait until there's a result and then throw rocks.

Sephiroth 20-08-2022 09:20
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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36131812)
Unless you are a conservative and eligible to vote it hardly concerns the rest of us.Why not wait until there's a result and then throw rocks.
Because the whole thing is in the public arena (as on TV last night) and the two candidates are not what I want as a paid up Conservative.

OLD BOY 20-08-2022 09:50
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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36131717)
I've lost count how many times during this government I've heard one minister or another use the phrase "hardworking families". Seems they must have all been lying so and so's. That's why you should never vote Conservative.
It's a recognition of the fact that many people do work hard.

The problem is there are lazy and disruptive people, resistant to change, who are responsible for this country's low productivity. These are the people Liz Truss was referring to.

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Because the whole thing is in the public arena (as on TV last night) and the two candidates are not what I want as a paid up Conservative.
Yes, Seph, that's because John Redwood is the only one for you!

jfman 20-08-2022 09:56
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36131817)
It's a recognition of the fact that many people do work hard.

The problem is there are lazy and disruptive people, resistant to change, who are responsible for this country's low productivity. These are the people Liz Truss was referring to.
:rofl:

You actually believe that shit don’t you?

Pray, tell how do these couch potatoes collectively overturn that private companies are ploughing hundreds of thousands of tons of raw sewage into our waterways? How do they solve the energy crisis? How do they create affordable housing?

The problems this country faces are created by the lack of will from politicians to solve them. Indeed, it’s profitable for their donors to not do so. However in the interim they’ve pulled the wool over the eyes of mugs like you that immigrants are the problem, now just working people.

Irony of ironies is that you’ve collapsed the capability of our great entrepreneurs to rely upon migrants (presumably not lazy) to efficiently work for them, increase productivity and pay tax in this country!

Sorry Johnny Foreigner, we were only kidding on! Please come back, all is forgiven. :rofl:

Hugh 20-08-2022 09:59
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36131817)
It's a recognition of the fact that many people do work hard.

The problem is there are lazy and disruptive people, resistant to change, who are responsible for this country's low productivity. These are the people Liz Truss was referring to.

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Yes, Seph, that's because John Redwood is the only one for you!
Yes, that’s right, it’s not the ongoing underinvestment as highlighted in the article I posted previously…

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Low business investment, weak management and too few commercial patents are the main factors behind Britain's weak productivity record that has been a puzzle for policymakers for years, according to new research published on Monday.

The study, by researchers at the London School of Economics and the Resolution Foundation think tank, said low business investment was the clearest difference between Britain and higher-productivity nations.

Business capital investment in Britain was 10% of gross domestic product in 2019, compared with 13% on average in the United States, Germany and France.

British business investment in research and development also lagged behind levels in other countries.
You’re gaslighting - if you continuously blame "the lazy shirkers", you make it easy for Business to not have actually invest in their people and technologies.

Maggy 20-08-2022 10:11
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36131823)
Yes, that’s right, it’s not the ongoing underinvestment as highlighted in the article I posted previously…



You’re gaslighting - if you continuously blame "the lazy shirkers", you make it easy for Business to not have actually invest in their people and technologies.
:tu: :clap::clap::clap:

1andrew1 20-08-2022 10:51
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36131817)
It's a recognition of the fact that many people do work hard.

The problem is there are lazy and disruptive people, resistant to change, who are responsible for this country's low productivity. These are the people Liz Truss was referring to.
I think you're looking at the high-profile situation at Network Rail through a narrow lens and assuming this is how the rest of the UK works. It doesn't.

GrimUpNorth 20-08-2022 11:06
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36131817)
It's a recognition of the fact that many people do work hard.

The problem is there are lazy and disruptive people, resistant to change, who are responsible for this country's low productivity. These are the people Liz Truss was referring to.
So to paraphrase, anyone who doesn't share your (very narrow?) political views are responsible. You're sounding more and more in favour of a one party state.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36131563)
I’m very productive, Mr K, which is why I can only respond to posts at certain times. And I watch only one and a half hours per night of TV except on Fridays and Saturdays.

As usual, wrong on all counts. Sorry, mate.
You're ongoing arguement in the steaming thread made me wonder, how your 90 mins a night claim matches up with all the TV subscriptions you have? Seems you must have to work hard to pay for all those streamers you don't get time to watch.

Sephiroth 20-08-2022 11:29
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36131817)
<SNIP>

Yes, Seph, that's because John Redwood is the only one for you!
Not at all, OB. I would have preferred one of the right field candidates. I want JR to advise the PM.

OLD BOY 20-08-2022 11:30
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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36131830)
So to paraphrase, anyone who doesn't share your (very narrow?) political views are responsible. You're sounding more and more in favour of a one party state.[COLOR="Silver"]
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I wasn’t talking politics, Grim. I was talking about lazy, disruptive people.

denphone 20-08-2022 11:55
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36131833)
I wasn’t talking politics, Grim. I was talking about lazy, disruptive people.
Who are these people you are demonising as please tell us OB?.

Mr K 20-08-2022 12:38
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36131833)
I wasn’t talking politics, Grim. I was talking about lazy, disruptive people.
You can't be lazy and disruptive? takes too much effort?

GrimUpNorth 20-08-2022 12:48
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36131833)
I wasn’t talking politics, Grim. I was talking about lazy, disruptive people.
Sounds just like Boris.

ianch99 20-08-2022 12:52
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36131815)
Because the whole thing is in the public arena (as on TV last night) and the two candidates are not what I want as a paid up Conservative.
I don't think you need to "paid up" Conservative supporter to not want them either. These two represent the evolution of the current ERG Party and it is not pretty.

I would despair if I was a Tory Party supporter*



by this I mean, someone who is able to perceive reality and come to an rational conclusion

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36131833)
I wasn’t talking politics, Grim. I was talking about lazy, disruptive people.
But the current Conservative executive are politicians? :)

spiderplant 20-08-2022 15:37
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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36131717)
I've lost count how many times during this government I've heard one minister or another use the phrase "hardworking families".
To be fair, Labour started that one (alienating millions of hard-working single people in the process)

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Originally Posted by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardworking_families
Gordon Brown expressed gratitude to Bob Shrum for suggesting the phrase between 1994 and 1997

GrimUpNorth 20-08-2022 20:25
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Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36131850)
To be fair, Labour started that one (alienating millions of hard-working single people in the process)
I'm lost for words :shocked:

Mick 20-08-2022 22:01
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36131811)
And yet none of that contradicts anything I said in my post.
I didn’t say it did, but your usual one sidedness rears it’s ugly head. Labour are just as shit at not reigning in corruption.

jfman 20-08-2022 22:33
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36131889)
I didn’t say it did, but your usual one sidedness rears it’s ugly head. Labour are just as shit at not reigning in corruption.
I don’t have to “both sides” how shit the Tories are, any more than you have to concede how shit Trump is in those threads. To claim it’s “ugly” in a thread about the current PM and the next one is simply preposterous.

I was directly taking on a ludicrous point Old Boy blaming working people and not politicians for the state this country is in. I’ll happily say it’s 40 years of economic failure if that helps, covering “both sides”.

The whataboutery serves nobody well. And if anything only makes these threads more adversarial than they need to be by playing the man and not the ball. My points are extremely valid responding to the post it did.

Mick 21-08-2022 06:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36131891)
I don’t have to “both sides” how shit the Tories are, any more than you have to concede how shit Trump is in those threads. To claim it’s “ugly” in a thread about the current PM and the next one is simply preposterous.

I was directly taking on a ludicrous point Old Boy blaming working people and not politicians for the state this country is in. I’ll happily say it’s 40 years of economic failure if that helps, covering “both sides”.

The whataboutery serves nobody well. And if anything only makes these threads more adversarial than they need to be by playing the man and not the ball. My points are extremely valid responding to the post it did.
I don’t care who you were specifically talking to, I’m talking to you. You attack the Tories, the party I support and paint how shit they are, I’ll add balance by saying how just as shit, Labour are, at not reigning in corruption. If you don’t like it, tough luck.

I’ve conceded many times how bad Trump can be & how much he can be an idiot, go look it up, so that crap accusation won’t wash. Crucially - it’s absolutely nothing to do with this topic either. So stay on it.

Mr K 21-08-2022 10:27
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Another poll to cheer you up Mick I know you like them ;)

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LAB: 39% (+2)
CON: 31% (-3)
LDEM: 10% (-2)
GRN: 7% (+1)

via
@OpiniumResearch
, 18 - 19 Aug
https://mobile.twitter.com/BritainEl...24899152666624


Another more interesting one is that Labour are now more trusted on the economy, can't remember last time that happened.
https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2022/08/4.jpg

Sephiroth 21-08-2022 21:10
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I've reluctantly decided on Truss.

John Redwood is expected to take up a Treasury ministership if she wins.

If he's advising her, that's good enough for me.

Those of you have have bad things to say about JR know nothing about him.

Mr K 21-08-2022 21:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36131950)
I've reluctantly decided on Truss.

John Redwood is expected to take up a Treasury ministership if she wins.

If he's advising her, that's good enough for me.

Those of you have have bad things to say about JR know nothing about him.
Go on tell us about JR. What's his favourite jumper? Who was his first snog? What's his view on Zak Crawley continuing to open the innings for England?

Sephiroth 21-08-2022 21:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36131951)
Go on tell us about JR. What's his favourite jumper? Who was his first snog? What's his view on Zak Crawley continuing to open the innings for England?
Nah - you're not "one of us".

1andrew1 21-08-2022 21:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36131950)
I've reluctantly decided on Truss.

John Redwood is expected to take up a Treasury ministership if she wins.

If he's advising her, that's good enough for me.

Those of you have have bad things to say about JR know nothing about him.
IMHO the only good advice he can give Truss is to call an election. Anything else is just padding out the inevitable and will keep the Conservatives out of power for longer as they will be remembered as the party of low ethics, high fuel prices and a recession.

A shrewd move would be to let Starmer win and govern during the recession. Then five years down say "We told you they couldn't be trusted with the economy" and win another three terms.

ianch99 21-08-2022 22:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36131956)
Nah - you're not "one of us".
"us" being who exactly?

Sephiroth 21-08-2022 22:53
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36131960)
"us" being who exactly?
Certainly not "one of them". What's the point of debating anything about the Conservatives with Mr. K?

jfman 21-08-2022 23:16
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36131960)
"us" being who exactly?
In fairness to Seph, he’s transparent about what that means.

Maggy 22-08-2022 08:20
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36131963)
Certainly not "one of them". What's the point of debating anything about the Conservatives with Mr. K?
Or with you if it comes to that.;)

Hugh 24-08-2022 10:12
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https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1661332324

Just like she judged having an affair which broke up a marriage was OK?

1andrew1 24-08-2022 10:29
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36132176)
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1661332324

Just like she judged having an affair which broke up a marriage was OK?
I don't spell laughing with a "watc" in it. ;)

Sephiroth 24-08-2022 11:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36132176)
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1661332324

Just like she judged having an affair which broke up a marriage was OK?
Jeez - you do drag up irrelevancies. She will, no doubt, have a number of red lines in terms of ministerial behaviour.

1andrew1 24-08-2022 11:41
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36132183)
Jeez - you do drag up irrelevancies. She will, no doubt, have a number of red lines in terms of ministerial behaviour.
Sorry Seph but I disagree. How can it be an irrelevancy when ethics is what brought down our last Prime Minister and several of his MPs?

This would seem a strange choice of area to cut back in.

papa smurf 24-08-2022 11:46
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36132183)
Jeez - you do drag up irrelevancies. She will, no doubt, have a number of red lines in terms of ministerial behaviour.
These Starmerites just can't help themselves.

1andrew1 24-08-2022 11:55
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36132186)
These Starmerites just can't help themselves.
Not sure who that comment can be aimed at - neither Seph, Hugh nor I tick the Starmerite box.

Sephiroth 24-08-2022 13:54
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36132185)
Sorry Seph but I disagree. How can it be an irrelevancy when ethics is what brought down our last Prime Minister and several of his MPs?

This would seem a strange choice of area to cut back in.
I think Boris was a one-off. If the next PM screws up in this regard, the press will have no mercy. She's throwing herself on their mercy.

I just hope that this is a sincere start to the eradication of diversity officers/structures on the public payroll.


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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36132186)
These Starmerites just can't help themselves.
More like virtue signallers, Papa.

Hugh 24-08-2022 14:08
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36132191)
I think Boris was a one-off. If the next PM screws up in this regard, the press will have no mercy. She's throwing herself on their mercy.

I just hope that this is a sincere start to the eradication of diversity officers/structures on the public payroll.


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More like virtue signallers, Papa.
I’d rather be a "virtue signaller" than a "vice supporter"… ;)

Anyhoo, not sure it’s virtue signalling to point out that your bestest buddy supports the abolition of an important checks and balances role that tries to ensure that Ministers follow the rules…

https://assets.publishing.service.go...April_2021.pdf

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Ministers’ interests
Under the Ministerial Code (7.2), “it is the personal responsibility of each Minister to decide whether and what action is needed to avoid a conflict or the perception of a conflict, taking account of advice received from their Permanent Secretary and the independent adviser on Ministers’ interests”.

Ministers are required, upon appointment to each new office, to provide a full list of interests which might be thought to give rise to a conflict (7.3). The independent adviser scrutinises all declarations and provides advice on the handling of interests (7.4). He is also able to provide advice on the handling of interests on an ad hoc basis.
So if this goes ahead, the person checking if newly-appointed Ministers have conflicts of interest will be the person who appointed them, so no conflict of interest there, then… :erm:

What’s next - she’’ll be signing off her own expenses?

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

1andrew1 24-08-2022 14:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36132191)
I think Boris was a one-off. If the next PM screws up in this regard, the press will have no mercy. She's throwing herself on their mercy.

I just hope that this is a sincere start to the eradication of diversity officers/structures on the public payroll.
I don't think an ethics adviser is the same type of role as a diversities adviser.

Truss is now showing some worrying Johnsonesque traits with regard to accountability and has been called out by many on her honesty eg about her schooling.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/liz-truss...undhay-school/

Sephiroth 24-08-2022 14:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36132194)
I don't think an ethics adviser is the same type of role as a diversities adviser.

Truss is now showing some worrying Johnsonesque traits with regard to accountability and has been called out by many on her honesty eg about her schooling.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/liz-truss...undhay-school/
I'm not going to defend her. My Truss vote is given under protest and in the hope that JR's influence will assist good outcomes.



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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36132193)
I’d rather be a "virtue signaller" than a "vice supporter"… ;)

Anyhoo, not sure it’s virtue signalling to point out that your bestest buddy supports the abolition of an important checks and balances role that tries to ensure that Ministers follow the rules…

https://assets.publishing.service.go...April_2021.pdf



So if this goes ahead, the person checking if newly-appointed Ministers have conflicts of interest will be the person who appointed them, so no conflict of interest there, then… :erm:

What’s next - she’’ll be signing off her own expenses?

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
The first "crisis" of this type will be fairly decisive.

I don't think she'll be any good as PM but I'd not be worried if an ethics advisor was not on the payroll.

Hugh 24-08-2022 14:26
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The point of the Ministerial Advisor is prevention - isn’t it better to avoid a crisis with appropriate checks and balances, rather than be disappointed/aggrieved when someone breaks the rules and is caught out (or worse, gets away with it because the good governance is no longer in place).

Sephiroth 24-08-2022 15:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36132198)
The point of the Ministerial Advisor is prevention - isn’t it better to avoid a crisis with appropriate checks and balances, rather than be disappointed/aggrieved when someone breaks the rules and is caught out (or worse, gets away with it because the good governance is no longer in place).
If someone breaks the rules, they can be sanctioned by their manager (including the PM) so long as the PM is not Boris.

1andrew1 24-08-2022 15:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36132204)
If someone breaks the rules, they can be sanctioned by their manager (including the PM) so long as the PM is not Boris.
Surely you would prefer us not to get to this stage by the PM taking advice to prevent it happening from an expert ethics adviser?

Sephiroth 24-08-2022 16:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36132206)
Surely you would prefer us not to get to this stage by the PM taking advice to prevent it happening from an expert ethics adviser?
I would prefer that we get back as soon as possible to a normal hierarchical (but collaborative) managerial system.

OLD BOY 24-08-2022 16:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36131960)
"us" being who exactly?
Not you, I think, Ian! :D

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36131957)
IMHO the only good advice he can give Truss is to call an election. Anything else is just padding out the inevitable and will keep the Conservatives out of power for longer as they will be remembered as the party of low ethics, high fuel prices and a recession.

A shrewd move would be to let Starmer win and govern during the recession. Then five years down say "We told you they couldn't be trusted with the economy" and win another three terms.
The more you guys come out against Truss, the more I want her to win!

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36132176)
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1661332324

Just like she judged having an affair which broke up a marriage was OK?
Well, some of us don't want a politically correct moralist in charge. We want a human.

Are you sure you are not without your faults, Hugh?

Sephiroth 24-08-2022 16:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36132210)
<SNIP>

Well, some of us don't want a politically correct moralist in charge. We want a human.

Are you sure you are not without your faults, Hugh?
Grammatically/semantically, Hugh cannot be without his faults.

Mad Max 24-08-2022 16:36
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Nice to see Boris in Ukraine today.


https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...e-day-12680447

1andrew1 24-08-2022 16:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36132210)
The more you guys come out against Truss, the more I want her to win
We're just pointing out the red flags. If you decline to see them there's not much anyone can do about it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36132210)
Well, some of us don't want a politically correct moralist in charge. We want a human.
No one has asked for the Prime Minister to be politically correct, just that they appoint an ethics adviser given that it is good practice and ethics (not ambush by cake or the war in Ukraine) was the reason for the downfall of the last PM.

Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36132210)
Are you sure you are not without your faults, Hugh?
We've all got our faults, old Boy. Which is why in senior roles, it's useful to have advisers and to heed their advice.

Kursk 24-08-2022 16:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36132210)
Well, some of us don't want a politically correct moralist in charge. We want a human.
I agree. Can't we bring this boring 'contest' to a finnish in a dance off between Rishi, Liz and Sanna Marin? We'd have the winner today :D

Hugh 24-08-2022 17:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36132210)
Not you, I think, Ian! :D

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The more you guys come out against Truss, the more I want her to win!

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Well, some of us don't want a politically correct moralist in charge. We want a human.

Are you sure you are not without your faults, Hugh?
That’s an interesting* interpretation - so someone who doesn’t have an affair and doesn’t break up a marriage is "a politically correct moralist"?

Mind you, you were/are a vociferously sycophantic Johnson supporter, and he has the morals of a alley-cat, making his mistresses pregnant and having an affair whilst his wife underwent cancer treatment, and was fired twice for lying, so I suppose that’s your baseline for acceptable behaviour.

I have many faults, but having affairs and breaking up marriages aren’t amongst them - ymmv.

*totally against Tory "family values"

OLD BOY 24-08-2022 17:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36132215)
We're just pointing out the red flags. If you decline to see them there's not much anyone can do about it.


No one has asked for the Prime Minister to be politically correct, just that they appoint an ethics adviser given that it is good practice and ethics (not ambush by cake or the war in Ukraine) was the reason for the downfall of the last PM.


We've all got our faults, old Boy. Which is why in senior roles, it's useful to have advisers and to heed their advice.
If you thought about it, you could name many sorts of advisor. I'm sure that as PM, Liz Truss does not need an advisor for every pettyfogging decision she makes.

And certainly not one who goes around advising on conflicts of interest. I would have thought that was pretty self evident. We need to cut all the waste in government, not add to it.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36132221)
That’s an interesting* interpretation - so someone who doesn’t have an affair and doesn’t break up a marriage is "a politically correct moralist"?

Mind you, you were/are a vociferously sycophantic Johnson supporter, and he has the morals of a alley-cat, making his mistresses pregnant and having an affair whilst his wife underwent cancer treatment, and was fired twice for lying, so I suppose that’s your baseline for acceptable behaviour.

I have many faults, but having affairs and breaking up marriages aren’t amongst them - ymmv.

*totally against Tory "family values"
Sorry, did you mean 'yet'? :D

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36132206)
Surely you would prefer us not to get to this stage by the PM taking advice to prevent it happening from an expert ethics adviser?
We want to prevent another nuclear war. Does she need to appoint an advisor for that?

We want to prevent more boats coming across the North Sea. Does she need another advisor for that?

We want to prevent more terrorist attacks. Does she need another advisor for that?

The truth is, there are many things we need to prevent, and many things to address, but we rely on the guy at the top to make these decisions and bring in expertise as required.

All the overkill seems to be a deliberate attempt to frustrate and slow everything down. We have a lot of issues to resolve in a very short time. The PM needs to be freed up to deal with things as she sees fit. If she gets it wrong, the GE will judge her on any failures.

1andrew1 24-08-2022 17:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36132222)
If you thought about it, you could name many sorts of advisor. I'm sure that as PM, Liz Truss does not need an advisor for every pettyfogging decision she makes.

And certainly not one who goes around advising on conflicts of interest. I would have thought that was pretty self evident. We need to cut all the waste in government, not add to it.
No one's suggesting Truss needs an advisor for every decision she makes. But an ethics adviser seems pretty essential given the ethical issues Johnson's team has failed the electorate on.

OLD BOY 24-08-2022 17:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36132226)
No one's suggesting Truss needs an advisor for every decision she makes. But an ethics adviser seems pretty essential given the ethical issues Johnson's team has failed the electorate on.
No she doesn't. Ethics is something a PM should be able to handle themselves. If she wants advice, she will seek it from an appropriate existing source.

1andrew1 24-08-2022 17:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36132222)
We want to prevent another nuclear war. Does she need to appoint an advisor for that?

We want to prevent more boats coming across the North Sea. Does she need another advisor for that?

We want to prevent more terrorist attacks. Does she need another advisor for that?

The truth is, there are many things we need to prevent, and many things to address, but we rely on the guy at the top to make these decisions and bring in expertise as required.

All the overkill seems to be a deliberate attempt to frustrate and slow everything down. We have a lot of issues to resolve in a very short time. The PM needs to be freed up to deal with things as she sees fit. If she gets it wrong, the GE will judge her on any failures.
Pretty sure the government has advisers for these areas, Old Boy.

If she gets it wrong, Ministers will eventually find the courage to resign and the Conservative Party membership (including those unable to vote in British elections) will decide who our next Prime Minister is, at the slowest pace that they can muster.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36132228)
No she doesn't. Ethics is something a PM should be able to handle themselves. If she wants advice, she will seek it from an appropriate existing source.
An existing source who will advise her. Wonder what that person's job title could be?

Sephiroth 24-08-2022 18:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36132226)
No one's suggesting Truss needs an advisor for every decision she makes. But an ethics adviser seems pretty essential given the ethical issues Johnson's team has failed the electorate on.
Boris is a one-off. Truss is just the normal political truth-economist.

Mr K 24-08-2022 18:14
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The Tories don't know what ethics are.
They think it's a county where the riff raff reside, east of London.

OLD BOY 24-08-2022 18:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36132230)
Pretty sure the government has advisers for these areas, Old Boy.

If she gets it wrong, Ministers will eventually find the courage to resign and the Conservative Party membership (including those unable to vote in British elections) will decide who our next Prime Minister is, at the slowest pace that they can muster.

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An existing source who will advise her. Wonder what that person's job title could be?
The appropriate Cabinet member will advise her.

jfman 24-08-2022 18:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36132237)
The appropriate Cabinet member will advise her.
You say that as if inappropriate cabinet members can't.

OLD BOY 24-08-2022 19:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36132240)
You say that as if inappropriate cabinet members can't.
Very witty, jfman, very witty.

1andrew1 24-08-2022 20:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36132232)
Boris is a one-off. Truss is just the normal political truth-economist.
The evidence points to Truss giving us the worst elements of the two PMs-to-be in the most recent General Election: the ethics of Johnson and the fiscal ignorance of Corbyn. The fact that she doesn't want an ethics adviser or the OBR checking her sums only serve to back this up.

OLD BOY 24-08-2022 20:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36132249)
The evidence points to Truss giving us the worst elements of the two PMs-to-be in the most recent General Election: the ethics of Johnson and the fiscal ignorance of Corbyn. The fact that she doesn't want an ethics adviser or the OBR checking her sums only serve to back this up.
You do realise that is nonsense, don’t you, Andrew.

And as far as the OBR is concerned, this demonstrates perfectly how these processes are designed to delay. Starmer himself argues that we cannot wait to put in place measures to tackle the cost of living crisis, then in the next breath, he says we must have an OBR assessment first, which will take weeks.

1andrew1 24-08-2022 20:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36132251)
You do realise that is nonsense, don’t you, Andrew.

And as far as the OBR is concerned, this demonstrates perfectly how these processes are designed to delay. Starmer himself argues that we cannot wait to put in place measures to tackle the cost of living crisis, then in the next breath, he says we must have an OBR assessment first, which will take weeks.
The only thing delaying a new PM is Conservative Party bureaucracy. This whole matter should have been concluded in days not months. The Party needs to update its processes, this is 2022 not 1822!

Truss can do her budget in parallel to OBR scrutiny. Unlike the Conservative Party, the OBR can move swiftly in days not months.

Hugh 24-08-2022 20:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36132222)
If you thought about it, you could name many sorts of advisor. I'm sure that as PM, Liz Truss does not need an advisor for every pettyfogging decision she makes.

And certainly not one who goes around advising on conflicts of interest. I would have thought that was pretty self evident. We need to cut all the waste in government, not add to it.

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Sorry, did you mean 'yet'? :D

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We want to prevent another nuclear war. Does she need to appoint an advisor for that?

We want to prevent more boats coming across the North Sea. Does she need another advisor for that?

We want to prevent more terrorist attacks. Does she need another advisor for that?

The truth is, there are many things we need to prevent, and many things to address, but we rely on the guy at the top to make these decisions and bring in expertise as required.

All the overkill seems to be a deliberate attempt to frustrate and slow everything down. We have a lot of issues to resolve in a very short time. The PM needs to be freed up to deal with things as she sees fit. If she gets it wrong, the GE will judge her on any failures.
ymmv - your mileage may vary (meaning "you might think differently")

I see you appear to have seamlessly transferred your unquestioning devotion from Johnson to Truss - did you have go through a sheep-dip to remove all traces of Johnson’s gastrointestinal microbiota before moving on to Truss?

richard-john56 24-08-2022 20:27
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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...d73b0fbb029f6b

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...50bf5fd5e06e5c

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/video...ategory=foryou

OLD BOY 24-08-2022 20:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36132258)
ymmv - your mileage may vary (meaning "you might think differently")

I see you appear to have seamlessly transferred your unquestioning devotion from Johnson to Truss - did you have go through a sheep-dip to remove all traces of Johnson’s gastrointestinal microbiota before moving on to Truss?
Well, as Boris is no longer to be PM, what do you expect?

I still support Johnson as do many Conservatives, because I think that his vision for the future and his achievements to date are far more important than when he chose to eat his birthday cake.

For what it’s worth, I often ate in the office. Nothing strange about that!

Sephiroth 24-08-2022 20:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36132258)
ymmv - your mileage may vary (meaning "you might think differently")

I see you appear to have seamlessly transferred your unquestioning devotion from Johnson to Truss -did you have go through a sheep-dip to remove all traces of Johnson’s gastrointestinal microbiota before moving on to Truss?
First part - true; second part is rather nasty.

jfman 24-08-2022 20:37
Re: Updated: Boris resigns as party leader
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36132265)
Well, as Boris is no longer to be PM, what do you expect?

I still support Johnson as do many Conservatives, because I think that his vision for the future and his achievements to date are far more important than when he chose to eat his birthday cake.

For what it’s worth, I often ate in the office. Nothing strange about that!
The football supporter approach. Well the last manager was shit, so was the one before that, but I wish Eric ten Hag well.


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