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Sephiroth 26-09-2020 13:35
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36051498)
I'm intrigued by what the Something might be:
"EU"
"sunny uplands"
"no linear TV"
:D
You can't push me on that one. The Mods would object. But you do know, don't you?

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36051500)
How on earth would England be able to stop the flood of arrivals from the newly created 3rd world countries of Wales and Scotland?:D
LOL, not to mention the ones fleeing to England before separation.

But it is a worry, the French sheperding them over to us. And certain people on this thread like the EU!

1andrew1 26-09-2020 14:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36051514)
You can't push me on that one. The Mods would object. But you do know, don't you?
Nope, don't know.

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LOL, not to mention the ones fleeing to England before separation.

But it is a worry, the French shepherding them over to us. And certain people on this thread like the EU!
We voted to leave the Dublin Agreement. I'm sure I saw posters advertising the queues of people we should expect if we voted Leave. People generously voted to be good Samaritans and save them from a bad life by not returning them to the EU.;)

1andrew1 27-09-2020 13:24
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Also worth mentioning why we will need lorry parks. Even if we sign a deal, there will be still be time-consuming customs checks.

The only things preventing this have been ruled out by the UK government, namely:
- Being in the internal market: the customs union removes tariff barriers
- Being in the single market which removes non-tariff barriers.

nomadking 27-09-2020 13:47
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Of course nothing whatsoever to with the EU demanding things from the UK that it doesn't require from any other non-EU country, demanding control and rights over fishing, not forgetting the shenanigans of the Remain side to obstruct things and give succour to the EU.
Turkey has been in a customs union with the EU for more than 20 years, yet there are still long delays at the border.
Link

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On a recent Saturday at the Kapıkule border crossing, about 30 minutes drive from the Turkish city of Edirne, a line of trucks 4km long stretched along the highway, inching along glacially towards the Bulgarian checkpoints. “Today is a good day,” said Ibrahim Kurtukcu, a 42-year trucker who had been waiting 14 hours. “Last week the line was 7km long.” The record is 17km. It can take up to 30 hours to get through to the other side.

OLD BOY 27-09-2020 13:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36051500)
How on earth would England be able to stop the flood of arrivals from the newly created 3rd world countries of Wales and Scotland?:D
Borders!

heero_yuy 27-09-2020 14:01
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Repair that wall and put Offa's Dyke back into good order. :D

OLD BOY 27-09-2020 14:04
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36051261)
I think we can take the word of an organisation that represents NI's leading supermarkets that food deliveries to NI won't be blocked. :rolleyes:
If BoJo can step up and finally unveil his state aid proposals that would help too. ;)
Since when have the supermarkets been in league with the EU administration? Just because they say that doesn’t make it true.

Something spooked the negotiators, that is for sure.

1andrew1 27-09-2020 14:04
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36051723)
Of course nothing whatsoever to with the EU demanding things from the UK that it doesn't require from any other non-EU country, demanding control and rights over fishing, not forgetting the shenanigans of the Remain side to obstruct things and give succour to the EU.
Turkey has been in a customs union with the EU for more than 20 years, yet there are still long delays at the border.
Link
Turkey is not in the single market and its customs union with the the EU is not for all products eg agriculture is excluded.

What needs to be understood is that even if we sign a deal with the EU, there will be still be time-consuming customs checks as the options to remove them have been ruled out by the UK.

OLD BOY 27-09-2020 14:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36051304)
Which of these statements does today's statement come closest to?
a) "There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside" (David Davis).
b) "The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want" (Michael Gove. Did he actually mean "park" not "path"?).
c) "Getting out of the EU can be quick and easy – the UK holds most of the cards" (John Redwood. The cards that BoJo's holding all start with J and none is a jack!)
d) Project Fear.
I guess we can make that assessment in January. Clearly, you don’t think that we will get a tariff-free trade deal, and you have been negative about the whole Brexit project from the off. You have also been wrong. Just a short while to go now and remainders can see how wrong they have been.

nomadking 27-09-2020 14:09
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36051729)
Turkey is not in the single market and its customs union with the the EU is not for all products eg agriculture is excluded.

What needs to be understood is that even if we sign a deal with the EU, there will be still be time-consuming customs checks as the options to remove them have been ruled out by the UK.
Where does it say that? Customs Union = NO CUSTOMS CHECKS.
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“The customs union means free movement of our goods,” said Erman Ereke, a member of the executive committee of the Turkish International Transporters’ Association. “It doesn’t mean free movement of our trucks.”

OLD BOY 27-09-2020 14:11
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36051307)
Absolutely. Doesn't mean that we can't criticise promises v reality though.
Pity you have absolutely nothing positive to say, though.

Your constant criticisms and negative comments really do indicate to me that you have not accepted the result and you want the UK to fail.

1andrew1 27-09-2020 14:11
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36051728)
Since when have the supermarkets been in league with the EU administration? Just because they say that doesn’t make it true.

Something spooked the negotiators, that is for sure.
Give me a convincing reason as to why the major supermarkets in Northern Ireland should put their names to such an important statement if they don't believe it to be correct.

OLD BOY 27-09-2020 14:14
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36051733)
Give me a convincing reason as to why the major supermarkets in Northern Ireland should put their names to such an important statement if they don't believe it to be correct.
I don’t dispute that that’s genuinely how they see it. However, they are not party to all the EU’s thinking and their negotiating strategy.

nomadking 27-09-2020 14:19
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36051733)
Give me a convincing reason as to why the major supermarkets in Northern Ireland should put their names to such an important statement if they don't believe it to be correct.
So where have the EU agreed, via the Joint Committee, that GB supermarkets can freely move goods to NI? The Joint Committee has yet to meet, after the issue was on a list of still unresolved matters.
Although the supermarkets could ship the goods anyway, the question remains as to what action the EU would take if they did.

1andrew1 27-09-2020 14:31
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36051732)
Pity you have absolutely nothing positive to say, though.

Your constant criticisms and negative comments really do indicate to me that you have not accepted the result and you want the UK to fail.
If Labour or the LibDems came into power, it wouldn't stop you criticising them but it wouldn't mean you didn't accept the result. :)

I live and work in the UK. I'm not retired with a nice guaranteed pension insulating me from a bad deal. I need BoJo to pull his fingers out and get a great deal with the EU and indeed all the other countries that we trade with.

There are few if any positive things anyone is saying about Brexit right now. All the Leavers I know acknowledge the government is making a pig's ear of negotiations. Even your fellow Berkshire resident has expressed similar views.

My views on Brexit have been clear - I accept it but the government should have delayed the end of the WA as there was insufficient time to get a good deal with the EU and 150 other countries in place by the end of 2020.

When Coronavirus hit the UK, I said it was even more important to delay it so the government could focus on Coronavirus and not end up doing both things badly. You said it could do both and do them well. We've now got one of the worst global death rates, we've suffered the largest recession of all G7 economies, we have no deal yet with the EU and with precious few of the other 150 countries and Scotland wants to leeave the UK. And trading on WTO terms is not yet agreed and is no mere formality.

It's not a great state of affairs, Old Boy.

Mad Max 27-09-2020 14:57
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36051741)
If Labour or the LibDems came into power, it wouldn't stop you criticising them but it wouldn't mean you didn't accept the result. :)

I live and work in the UK. I'm not retired with a nice guaranteed pension insulating me from a bad deal. I need BoJo to pull his fingers out and get a great deal with the EU and indeed all the other countries that we trade with.

There are few if any positive things anyone is saying about Brexit right now. All the Leavers I know acknowledge the government is making a pig's ear of negotiations. Even your fellow Berkshire resident has expressed similar views.

My views on Brexit have been clear - I accept it but the government should have delayed the end of the WA as there was insufficient time to get a good deal with the EU and 150 other countries in place by the end of 2020.

When Coronavirus hit the UK, I said it was even more important to delay it so the government could focus on Coronavirus and not end up doing both things badly. You said it could do both and do them well. We've now got one of the worst global death rates, we've suffered the largest recession of all G7 economies, we have no deal yet with the EU and with precious few of the other 150 countries and Scotland wants to leeave the UK. And trading on WTO terms is not yet agreed and is no mere formality.

It's not a great state of affairs, Old Boy.
That's nonsense, the SNP want to leave the UK, more fool them.

Sephiroth 27-09-2020 15:04
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36051718)
Also worth mentioning why we will need lorry parks. Even if we sign a deal, there will be still be time-consuming customs checks.

The only things preventing this have been ruled out by the UK government, namely:
- Being in the internal market: the customs union removes tariff barriers
- Being in the single market which removes non-tariff barriers.
Ruled out by the British people. Got it?

1andrew1 27-09-2020 15:31
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36051754)
Ruled out by the British people. Got it?
Source?

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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36051752)
That's nonsense, the SNP want to leave the UK, more fool them.
Sadly not nonsense - polls show consistently about 53%-55% in favour.

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36051736)
So where have the EU agreed, via the Joint Committee, that GB supermarkets can freely move goods to NI? The Joint Committee has yet to meet, after the issue was on a list of still unresolved matters.
Although the supermarkets could ship the goods anyway, the question remains as to what action the EU would take if they did.
If Sainsbury's, Lidl, Asda etc are convinced about something so important then I am happy to take their word without conducting days of research to try and prove the point.

Mad Max 27-09-2020 15:39
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36051756)
Source?

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Sadly not nonsense - polls show consistently about 53%-55% in favour.

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If Sainsbury's, Lidl, Asda etc are convinced about something so important then I am happy to take their word without conducting days of research to try and prove the point.

How often are polls accurate? You can only say for definite that the majority of people in Scotland want to leave the UK after a proper vote, and a poll that shows 53% v 55% isn't very convincing imo.

1andrew1 27-09-2020 15:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36051730)
I guess we can make that assessment in January. Clearly, you don’t think that we will get a tariff-free trade deal, and you have been negative about the whole Brexit project from the off. You have also been wrong. Just a short while to go now and remainders can see how wrong they have been.
The key person wrong on Brexit is your goodself via the fantasy trade deals you were promising us, starting with the US in pole position.

I hope and expect we get a free trade deal but that doesn't mean the end of customs checks and delays unfortunately.

I've heard BoJo will take another of his famous "Surrender Strolls" as he did with Leo Varadkar before signing the Withdrawal Agreement. This will see him agree to pretty much everything asked of him by the EU but he will fool his ever-diminishing fanbase that he's got a great deal.

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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36051760)
How often are polls accurate? You can only say for definite that the majority of people in Scotland want to leave the UK after a proper vote, and a poll that shows 53% v 55% isn't very convincing imo.
We shoudn't delude ourselves about polls when they give us inconvenient results. The Brexit vote shows that no referendum win for the status quo can be taken for granted. The performance of the current government with its Brexit negotiations and in tackling Covid 19 makes it no advert for the benefits of the Union.

Scottish independence is a serious threat to the UK and I hope we have a convincing narrative in place for the Union if a referendum happens. But that's another thread. ;)

Sephiroth 27-09-2020 15:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36051756)
Source?
You silly billy you. One referendum, one general election, get Brexit done slogan, leave means leave ......

And before you say ‘nobody voted for x or y’ just accept that the majority of voters wanted to be fee of EU domination.



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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36051761)
<snip>

I've heard BoJo will take another of his famous "Surrender Strolls" as he did with Leo Varadkar before signing the Withdrawal Agreement. This will see him agree to pretty much everything asked of him by the EU but he will fool his ever-diminishing fanbase that he's got a great deal.

(Snip)
Au contraire. He got the 4 year Stormont concession. That was good enough for me.

1andrew1 27-09-2020 20:41
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36051764)
You silly billy you. One referendum, one general election, get Brexit done slogan, leave means leave ......

And before you say ‘nobody voted for x or y’ just accept that the majority of voters wanted to be fee of EU domination.
Seph, mate, it's not your usual style to denigrate fellow forum members. The public was promised the following:

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Vote Leave “There is a European free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border and we will be part of it… Britain will have access to the Single Market after we vote leave… The idea that our trade will suffer because we stop imposing terrible rules such as the Clinical Trial Directive is silly.”
So, people voted for a campaign that promised there would be a deal.

If we don't get one, BoJo will be defying the will of the people.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36051764)
Au contraire. He got the 4 year Stormont concession. That was good enough for me.
I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree on this one, I fear you're easily pleased.

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Some slightly positive news.
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EU and UK negotiators are set for showdown Brexit talks this week as they seek to build on tentative signs of progress which have raised hopes that a trade deal may be possible.

Teams will meet on Tuesday for three days of talks at the European Commission's headquarters in Brussels, with a month remaining until what EU chief negotiator Michel Barnier has said is the “realistic deadline” for a deal, if it is to be ratified in time for the end of Britain's transition period on January 1...

The tunnel, also described by Mr Barnier as “submarine” talks, could run from the week of October 4 until an EU summit on October 15-16, a date seen as the moment when leaders such as France’s Emmanuel Macron and Germany's Angela Merkel will assess the state of the negotiations.
https://www.ft.com/content/1270ea8d-...0-798ebceaae2d

Chris 27-09-2020 21:32
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36051817)
So, people voted for a campaign that promised there would be a deal.
I thought we’d seen the back of people telling leave voters why they voted the way they did. :dozey:

I know what I voted for and I know where I sourced my background information thanks. I don’t need to be told (wrongly) what I thought would happen.

This was not a party election, it was a referendum, and despite the status afforded the biggest campaign group on either side, there was no manifesto produced by either of them. Personally I think the British public is a sufficiently sophisticated electorate to understand the difference between an election manifesto and the possible futures debated in a referendum where, on polling day, the actual question is extremely simple.

I voted to answer a question, I did not vote for any campaign.

1andrew1 27-09-2020 22:00
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36051835)
I thought we’d seen the back of people telling leave voters why they voted the way they did. :dozey:

I know what I voted for and I know where I sourced my background information thanks. I don’t need to be told (wrongly) what I thought would happen.

This was not a party election, it was a referendum, and despite the status afforded the biggest campaign group on either side, there was no manifesto produced by either of them. Personally I think the British public is a sufficiently sophisticated electorate to understand the difference between an election manifesto and the possible futures debated in a referendum where, on polling day, the actual question is extremely simple.

I voted to answer a question, I did not vote for any campaign.
Fair point - perhaps I should have phrased it more precisely "So, people voted in the context of a campaign that promised there would be a deal." would be my rephrasing.

Mick 27-09-2020 22:30
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36051841)
Fair point - perhaps I should have phrased it more precisely "So, people voted in the context of a campaign that promised there would be a deal." would be my rephrasing.
Or perhaps you should stop trying to be a smart jackass.

1andrew1 27-09-2020 22:36
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36051845)
Or perhaps you should stop trying to be a smart jackass.
In my enthusiasm to respond to Seph's post, my phrasing was below par.

jonbxx 28-09-2020 09:30
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Brexit benefits ahoy! Just had a meeting and our UK order handling team will be moving from the Europe group to the Export group who look after countries like Russia, Saudi Arabia and all of Africa with a 40% increase in headcount included two International Trade Compliance specialists to handle customs issues.

1andrew1 28-09-2020 09:51
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More good news.
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Global banks are delaying or revising plans to move hundreds of key staff from the City of London to the EU in the coming months, as bankers and traders balk at the prospect of being confined to new post-Brexit outposts if coronavirus travel restrictions intensify.
https://www.ft.com/content/c15d3611-...b-d42636523b8e

OLD BOY 28-09-2020 12:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36051741)
If Labour or the LibDems came into power, it wouldn't stop you criticising them but it wouldn't mean you didn't accept the result. :)

I live and work in the UK. I'm not retired with a nice guaranteed pension insulating me from a bad deal. I need BoJo to pull his fingers out and get a great deal with the EU and indeed all the other countries that we trade with.

There are few if any positive things anyone is saying about Brexit right now. All the Leavers I know acknowledge the government is making a pig's ear of negotiations. Even your fellow Berkshire resident has expressed similar views.

My views on Brexit have been clear - I accept it but the government should have delayed the end of the WA as there was insufficient time to get a good deal with the EU and 150 other countries in place by the end of 2020.

When Coronavirus hit the UK, I said it was even more important to delay it so the government could focus on Coronavirus and not end up doing both things badly. You said it could do both and do them well. We've now got one of the worst global death rates, we've suffered the largest recession of all G7 economies, we have no deal yet with the EU and with precious few of the other 150 countries and Scotland wants to leeave the UK. And trading on WTO terms is not yet agreed and is no mere formality.

It's not a great state of affairs, Old Boy.
Perhaps you should wait and see what deal we get, then,Andrew. It is not helpful to have all these ‘noises off’ when attempting delicate negotiations. It was those making the noise last time which empowered the EU to take a tougher line.

As for the coronavirus, that is being covered in another thread and most people I am talking to amongst my contacts have already concluded the same as I have, and with no prompting from me, either!

1andrew1 28-09-2020 13:19
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36051911)
Perhaps you should wait and see what deal we get, then,Andrew. It is not helpful to have all these ‘noises off’ when attempting delicate negotiations. It was those making the noise last time which empowered the EU to take a tougher line.

As for the coronavirus, that is being covered in another thread and most people I am talking to amongst my contacts have already concluded the same as I have, and with no prompting from me, either!
Flattered as I am, I'm not sure that any posts on this forum will have any impact on negotiations. The only person who empowered the EU last time round was BoJo when he took Leo Varadkar for his now infamous surrender stroll on the Wirral. Then over 20 weeks later he read what he'd signed and panicked!

1andrew1 28-09-2020 17:34
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Michael Gove heads to Brussels today amid greater urgency for a post-Brexit trade deal with the EU amid fears over the impact of coronavirus on the economy.

The Cabinet Office Minister will hold talks with the European Commission ahead of the latest round of negotiations which is due to start tomorrow.

Reports yesterday suggested that both the UK and Brussels are prepared to give ground to avoid the double negative economic impact of coronavirus and No Deal at the end of the year.

Lord Frost, the UK's negotiator, and his EU counterpart, Michel Barnier, are said to be preparing to finalise details by the end of this week.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexi...?ocid=msedgntp

papa smurf 29-09-2020 11:40
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Keir Starmer crisis: Labour Party accused of 'looking down on Brexit voters'

LABOUR "looks down" on Brexit voters some in Red Wall seats feel, as an expert has warned leader Keir Starmer he must eradicate his party's "snooty" image.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13...ir-starmer-spt

1andrew1 29-09-2020 13:06
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Let's hope that as negotiators knuckle down, Boris won't forget what he promised the British people.
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Boris Johnson, Telegraph, 26 June 2016 "British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down..There will continue to be free trade and access to the single market."

papa smurf 29-09-2020 13:41
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36052019)
Let's hope that as negotiators knuckle down, Boris won't forget what he promised the British people.
Go now to avoid disappointment is my advice.

1andrew1 29-09-2020 14:04
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36052025)
Go now to avoid disappointment is my advice.
You're possibly right. As he recently forgot his advice on Coronavirus, to expect him to remember something from four years ago is probably, as you might say, pushing the boat out. ;)

papa smurf 29-09-2020 14:22
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36052026)
You're possibly right. As he recently forgot his advice on Coronavirus, to expect him to remember something from four years ago is probably, as you might say, pushing the boat out. ;)
Andrew it's quite simple 6 inside, six outside ,six upside ,six downside,1 from the left ,2 from the right ,follow local instructions and don't drink after 10pm unless your an MP.

Carth 29-09-2020 14:26
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36052028)
Andrew it's quite simple 6 inside, six outside ,six upside ,six downside,1 from the left ,2 from the right ,follow local instructions and don't drink after 10pm unless your an MP.
Simple when it's explained properly isn't it :D

papa smurf 29-09-2020 14:31
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36052030)
Simple when it's explained properly isn't it :D
It's not rocket science [because i can get my head around that] it's just gov scientist babble with hint of bojo:shrug:

Sephiroth 01-10-2020 11:58
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Fascinating article on who can settle the WA dispute now formalised by the EU into legal process.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...ute-resolution

A selective quote:

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The European Court of Justice (ECJ)

Legal disputes within the EU are typically resolved in national courts and, if substantive issues of EU law arise, ultimately in the ECJ.

The European Commission’s negotiating guidelines say that the ECJ should have jurisdiction in such disputes where an interpretation of EU law could be an issue.

The government’s position is that the mechanism for dispute resolution is “appropriate to a relationship of sovereign equals”. This would seem to preclude the further involvement of the ECJ. However, from the EU’s perspective, there could still be issues in which the jurisdiction of the ECJ might arise. For example, state aid is an area where the EU might insist that the UK incorporate EU law – which would then require the ECJ to interpret.

The International Court of Justice (ICJ)

Some reports suggest that the Withdrawal Agreement could be enforced by the International Court of Justice (ICJ). In theory, the ICJ can enforce any treaty. However, the ICJ is an unlikely forum for dispute resolution in this case, as only states can raise claims at the court. EU institutions would not be able to do so.

pip08456 01-10-2020 12:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36052226)
Fascinating article on who can settle the WA dispute now formalised by the EU into legal process.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...ute-resolution

A selective quote:
Another selective quote.

Quote:
New body

The UK and EU could set up a new court or arbitration panel to settle disputes. This could involve some combination of UK judges and European judges. The system for dispute resolution for Canada and the EU is along these lines, and both the UK and the EU have suggested such a mechanism for the future UK–EU FTA.

1andrew1 01-10-2020 20:05
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As a patriotic Brit, I find it sad when I read news like this about the dimininshing of one of our key sectors and the resultant loss of jobs, taxes and influence to this country.

Quote:
Brexit Prompts 7,500 City Jobs, $1.6 Trillion to Leave U.K.

Financial services firms operating in the U.K. have shifted about 7,500 employees and more than 1.2 trillion pounds ($1.6 trillion) of assets to the European Union ahead of Brexit -- with more likely to follow in coming weeks, according to EY.

About 400 relocations were announced in the past month alone, the consulting firm said in a report on Thursday that tracks 222 of the largest financial firms with significant operations in the U.K. Since Britain voted to leave the bloc in 2016, the finance industry has added 2,850 positions in the EU, with Dublin, Luxembourg and Frankfurt seeing the biggest gains.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...n-to-leave-u-k

OLD BOY 01-10-2020 20:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36052268)

As a patriotic Brit, I find it sad when I read news like this about the dimininshing of one of our key sectors and the resultant loss of jobs, taxes and influence to this country.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...n-to-leave-u-k
Yeah, yeah, Andrew! You do make me laugh!

papa smurf 01-10-2020 20:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36052268)
As a patriotic Brit, I find it sad when I read news like this about the dimininshing of one of our key sectors and the resultant loss of jobs, taxes and influence to this country.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...n-to-leave-u-k
I doubt anyone will ever accuse you of being that;)

Chris 02-10-2020 07:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36052268)
As a patriotic Brit, I find it sad when I read news like this about the dimininshing of one of our key sectors and the resultant loss of jobs, taxes and influence to this country.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...n-to-leave-u-k
Financial services employs more than a million people in the U.K. and handles assets in excess of US$14 trillion. The financial crash of 2008 saw around $5 trillion of assets vanish from these shores and we seem to have coped.

May I politely suggest there are other causes more worthy of your injured patriotism. ;)

Sephiroth 02-10-2020 08:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36052318)
Financial services employs more than a million people in the U.K. and handles assets in excess of US$14 trillion. The financial crash of 2008 saw around $5 trillion of assets vanish from these shores and we seem to have coped.

May I politely suggest there are other causes more worthy of your injured patriotism. ;)
.... and that should not include Andrew's attraction to the hegemonic EU nor advocacy for its negotiating position

A "Patriotic Brit" in these days would bear/support at least the following attributes:

1. Brexit means Brexit;
2. Leave means Leave;
3. British waters mean British waters;
4. Sovereignty means sovereignty;
5. Sod the SNP.

Hugh 02-10-2020 08:46
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You forgot "meaningless slogan means meaningless slogan"...

I’m patriotic, but I don’t call those who don’t share my views (by implication) "non-patriots".

jonbxx 02-10-2020 11:48
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If a family member was set on pursuing a course of action that, in my opinion, was going to say, break the law or make them worse off, I will call them out on it even if they really, really wanted to do it.

Doesn't mean I don't love them.

Sephiroth 02-10-2020 14:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36052328)
You forgot "meaningless slogan means meaningless slogan"...

I’m patriotic, but I don’t call those who don’t share my views (by implication) "non-patriots".
Nor do I.

TheDaddy 02-10-2020 14:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36049721)
Really? How do you explain Japan being the third largest importer of Dairy poroducts in the world (11.3Billion of EU dairy exports)?
Yes really and if anything I was underestimating the percentage. Imagine the state of their toilets.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36052328)
You forgot "meaningless slogan means meaningless slogan"...

I’m patriotic, but I don’t call those who don’t share my views (by implication) "non-patriots".
I'd have thought a patriot was someone who loves and wants the best for their country, seems the definition has been lost

Chris 02-10-2020 14:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36052384)
Yes really and if anything I was underestimating the percentage. Imagine the state of their toilets.



I'd have thought a patriot was someone who loves and wants the best for their country, seems the definition has been lost
Broadly, I think a patriot extols the virtues of their homeland and seeks its improvement where it is found wanting. A nationalist believes their homeland is superior to foreign lands and may have some difficulty accepting theirs has any significant flaws at all.

papa smurf 02-10-2020 14:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36052384)
Yes really and if anything I was underestimating the percentage. Imagine the state of their toilets.



I'd have thought a patriot was someone who loves and wants the best for their country, seems the definition has been lost
yes but not someone who put 27 other countries first.

1andrew1 02-10-2020 14:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36052386)
Broadly, I think a patriot extols the virtues of their homeland and seeks its improvement where it is found wanting. A nationalist believes their homeland is superior to foreign lands and may have some difficulty accepting theirs has any significant flaws at all.
I would agree with that.

Sephiroth 02-10-2020 15:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36052390)
I would agree with that.
... and with Papa's observation?

Quote:
yes but not someone who put 27 other countries first

Hugh 02-10-2020 16:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36052328)
You forgot "meaningless slogan means meaningless slogan"...

I’m patriotic, but I don’t call those who don’t share my views (by implication) "non-patriots".
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36052382)
Nor do I.
You just did, by implication

Quote:
A "Patriotic Brit" in these days would bear/support at least the following attributes:

1. Brexit means Brexit;
2. Leave means Leave;
3. British waters mean British waters;
4. Sovereignty means sovereignty;
5. Sod the SNP.
I don’t bear/support any of those (I accept Brexit is happening), so by implication, I (and others who feel the same way) can’t be a "Patriotic Brit" - an implication I reject.

Sephiroth 02-10-2020 16:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36052403)
You just did, by implication



I don’t bear/support any of those (I accept Brexit is happening), so by implication, I (and others who feel the same way) can’t be a "Patriotic Brit" - an implication I reject.
No I didn't. You incorrectly inferred that. You need to be more careful.

1andrew1 02-10-2020 17:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36052407)
No I didn't. You incorrectly inferred that. You need to be more careful.
Seph, I'm afraid I read it the same as Hugh. Maybe you've miswritten it or your criteria should only be taken in a specific and limited way? ;)

You listed your five criteria that a patriotic Brit had to bear/support. Hugh said he didn't bear/support those five criteria. Therefore in your eyes he is not a patriotic Brit. In his eyes he is and he's served his country too.

Sephiroth 02-10-2020 17:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36052409)
Seph, I'm afraid I read it the same as Hugh. Maybe you've miswritten it or your criteria should only be taken in a specific and limited way? ;)

You listed your five criteria that a patriotic Brit had to bear/support. Hugh said he didn't bear/support those five criteria. Therefore in your eyes he is not a patriotic Brit. In his eyes he is and he's served his country too.
Andrew - you're both wrong, I'm afraid. Hugh looks for this, especially where I'm concerned. This time you both have got it wrong and should accept my word on that.

With regard to the bit I've highlighted, my list was in the context of Brexit ("in these days"). It's easy to slip into the total negative, but I'm not questioning anyone's patriotism (I think) but perhaps questioning the degree.

Hugh 02-10-2020 17:24
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You said
Quote:
A "Patriotic Brit" in these days would bear/support at least the following attributes:

1. Brexit means Brexit;
2. Leave means Leave;
3. British waters mean British waters;
4. Sovereignty means sovereignty;
5. Sod the SNP.
What would you call someone who does not support your 5 criteria?

1andrew1 02-10-2020 17:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36052415)
Andrew - you're both wrong, I'm afraid. Hugh looks for this, especially where I'm concerned. This time you both have got it wrong and should accept my word on that.

With regard to the bit I've highlighted, my list was in the context of Brexit ("in these days"). It's easy to slip into the total negative, but I'm not questioning anyone's patriotism (I think) but perhaps questioning the degree.
I think you need to acknowledge that people have different opinions from you on these matters. It does not make them right and you wrong, or them more patriotic and you less patriotic, it just makes them different.

And it would indeed be a boring world if we all agreed. ;)

papa smurf 02-10-2020 17:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36052415)
Andrew - you're both wrong, I'm afraid. Hugh looks for this, especially where I'm concerned. This time you both have got it wrong and should accept my word on that.

With regard to the bit I've highlighted, my list was in the context of Brexit ("in these days"). It's easy to slip into the total negative, but I'm not questioning anyone's patriotism (I think) but perhaps questioning the degree.
Not respecting sovereignty and territorial boundaries [3and 4 on your list] hardly sounds patriotic to me.
1 and 2 don't matter anymore we are out
5 Some brits are Scottish and entitled to vote how they please even if if puts a power mad midget in charge of their demise.

pip08456 02-10-2020 17:38
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Brexit update from Lord Frost.

Quote:
In other areas familiar differences remain. On the level playing field, including subsidy policy, we continue to seek an agreement that ensures our ability to set our own laws in the UK without constraints that go beyond those appropriate to a free trade agreement. There has been some limited progress here but the EU need to move further before an understanding can be reached. On fisheries the gap between us is unfortunately very large and, without further realism and flexibility from the EU, risks being impossible to bridge. These issues are fundamental to our future status as an independent country.
Link

Hugh 02-10-2020 18:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36052422)
Not respecting sovereignty and territorial boundaries [3and 4 on your list] hardly sounds patriotic to me.
1 and 2 don't matter anymore we are out
5 Some brits are Scottish and entitled to vote how they please even if if puts a power mad midget in charge of their demise.
Definition of a midget is 4 foot 10 inches - BJ is 5 foot 9 inches, so you shouldn’t call him a midget...

Sephiroth 02-10-2020 18:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36052419)
You said

What would you call someone who does not support your 5 criteria?
A Remainer, obviously.

Hugh 02-10-2020 19:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36052429)
A Remainer, obviously.
Can they be "Patriotic Brits"?

1andrew1 02-10-2020 20:12
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Quote:
Donald Trump’s envoy to Northern Ireland has warned that Boris Johnson’s controversial threat to break the law over Brexit could present a “challenge” to the peace process under the Good Friday Agreement.

Mr Mulvaney said that, despite differences in tone which last week saw Secretary of State Mike Pompeo say simply that the US “trusts” Britain on the issue, the Republican and Democrat sides were sending “the same message” about the need to preserve peace.

Speaking to the Policy Exchange thinktank in London during a visit to both sides of the Irish Sea, Mr Mulvaney said that Mr Neal’s warning that the border issue would play a role in determining any UK/US trade deal was “a true statement”.

“That’s a true statement and that's not at all inconsistent with what you saw Secretary of State Pompeo say when Dominic Raab came to visit last week,” he said.
“The administration believes just as much in the Belfast/Good Friday Agreement as does Richie Neal… It is central.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...rtan-ntp-feeds

Sephiroth 02-10-2020 20:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36052431)
Can they be "Patriotic Brits"?
I didn't say they weren't. You inferred that.

1andrew1 02-10-2020 20:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36052442)
I didn't say they weren't. You inferred that.
It's more than inferred, Seph. Hugh said that he doesn't meet your criteria to be a patriotic Brit which means in your opinion he's not.

I'm sure you didn't intend this to be the logical outcome of your post but it is. We can't read your mind, only your posts.

Sephiroth 02-10-2020 21:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36052445)
It's more than inferred, Seph. Hugh said that he doesn't meet your criteria to be a patriotic Brit which means in your opinion he's not.

I'm sure you didn't intend this to be the logical outcome of your post but it is. We can't read your mind, only your posts.
No. Hugh might not meet some/all of the 5 criteria which I said were at least required; he probably satisfies other criteria that I didn't list.

On the bit I've highlighted, then don't try to read my mind, just read the posts if you want to and what you infer is your business.

1andrew1 02-10-2020 22:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36052453)
No. Hugh might not meet some/all of the 5 criteria which I said were at least required; he probably satisfies other criteria that I didn't list.

On the bit I've highlighted, then don't try to read my mind, just read the posts if you want to and what you infer is your business.
If Hugh does not meet some/all of the criteria that you said were at least required then he's failed.
It doesn't matter if he's met other unknown criteria. It's the use of "at least" that means the other criteria are irrelevant if he's failed some/all of the five listed criteria you mentioned.

Sephiroth 02-10-2020 23:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36052459)
If Hugh does not meet some/all of the criteria that you said were at least required then he's failed.
It doesn't matter if he's met other unknown criteria. It's the use of "at least" that means the other criteria are irrelevant if he's failed some/all of the five listed criteria you mentioned.
Look, it's all in the context of Brexit. Not World War 3 as regards patriotism.

Hugh's just being awkward, as usual.

1andrew1 05-10-2020 11:38
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Even with a trade deal, the proportion of non-UK components in Toyota and Nissan cars assembled in the UK will make them liable for 10% tax when sold in the EU. This is an under-reported elephant in the room.**

Quote:
Toyota, Nissan to seek reimbursement from UK if Brexit talks fail - Nikkei
The companies are bracing for an additional 10% EU tax on automobile imports from Britain and are demanding that the government pays for such additional customs costs, the report [in Nikkei] said, without citing sources...

Nissan has a manufacturing plant in Sunderland, northern England, that employs 7,000. That would be "unsustainable" if Britain leaves the EU without a trade deal, Nissan said in June.
More details of that under-reported elephant in the room:
Quote:
In a letter to the auto industry, David Frost conceded that he had failed to convince Brussels to take a more flexible approach when it came to assessing how cars manufactured using non-EU parts could qualify for zero-tariff access to the bloc under a trade deal.

The UK has been pushing during trade negotiations for manufacturers to be able to count, or “cumulate” Turkish, Japanese or other non-EU inputs as “local” for the purposes of exporting under the agreement but Brussels has rejected the request.

Under standard EU trade rules, a vehicle must typically be 55 per cent “locally made” in order to qualify for zero-tariff access to the bloc.The letter raises fears in the industry that a lopsided trade deal will allow European cars from Germany or France to be imported to the UK without tariffs, but that British-built models will be penalised for not meeting the rules — pressuring manufacturers to raise prices or shift production to the continent to remain competitive.
https://www.ft.com/content/4fa4732b-...4-c8ae1cd80a78

RichardCoulter 06-10-2020 18:22
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MI5 warn of IRA action at Brexit checkpoints:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-MPs-warn.html

papa smurf 07-10-2020 21:25
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Brexit VINDICATED: No data misused in EU vote despite Remainer claims- END of 3-year probe

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...vention-latest


The Information Commission has said no evidence has been found to indicate either SCL Elections Ltd or Cambridge Analytics intervened in the 2016 EU referendum. After a three year investigation it found no suggestion the digital marketing firm misused data in an attempt to influence the EU vote or helped facilitate Russian intervention in the political process


The SCL group, which was dissolved in 2018, had been accused of using illegally harvested personal data to influence the results of both the EU referendum and the 2016 US Presidential election.

But the three-year probe, which has been described by the authority as the largest ever undertaken by such an organisation, found no evidence this was the case.

Hugh 07-10-2020 22:01
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Actual report

https://ico.org.uk/media/action-weve...-knight-mp.pdf

Sephiroth 09-10-2020 09:55
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Patriotic Remainers take note of this very succinct analysis in yesterday's Torygraph.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ext-ted-heath/

Quote:
Like all good postmodern stories, Britain’s EU nightmare is ending at the beginning. Forty-seven years after seducing Edward Heath into agreeing egregious terms for the UK’s entry to the EEC, Brussels seeks yet again to tempt a prime minister into betrayal. The present is the past through the looking glass. In 1973, the price for joining the EEC was our sovereignty over our laws and our waters; in 2020 the price for leaving the EU is our sovereignty over our laws and our waters. Unless an honest offer from Brussels materialises, Johnson – like Heath before him – faces two choices: walk away or try to deceive a nation with an appalling deal.

heero_yuy 09-10-2020 10:06
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Quote:
Johnson – like Heath before him – faces two choices: walk away or try to deceive a nation with an appalling deal.
Fool me once: Shame on you. Fool me twice: Shame on me.

jonbxx 09-10-2020 11:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36053130)
Patriotic Remainers take note of this very succinct analysis in yesterday's Torygraph.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ext-ted-heath/
Unfortunately, I can't read the whole article, just the beginning bit. Does it mention this from the 1970 Conservative Party Manifesto;

Quote:
If we can negotiate the right terms, we believe that it would be in the long-term interest of the British people for Britain to join the European Economic Community, and that it would make a major contribution to both the prosperity and the security of our country. The opportunities are immense. Economic growth and a higher standard of living would result from having a larger market.
Or the fact that the UK had a referendum 2 years after accession where 67% of the votes went for continuing membership?

Or the fact that the politicians who wanted to leave the EEC included Michael Foot, Tony Benn and Barbara Castle while Margaret Thatcher and 249 out of 275 Conservative MPs voted to remain in a free vote?

1andrew1 09-10-2020 11:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36053144)
Unfortunately, I can't read the whole article, just the beginning bit. Does it mention this from the 1970 Conservative Party Manifesto;



Or the fact that the UK had a referendum 2 years after accession where 67% of the votes went for continuing membership?

Or the fact that the politicians who wanted to leave the EEC included Michael Foot, Tony Benn and Barbara Castle while Margaret Thatcher and 249 out of 275 Conservative MPs voted to remain in a free vote?
Robust analysis. Maggie would be turning in her grave if she could read the interventionistic agenda of the Cummings-BoJo government.

pip08456 09-10-2020 11:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36053145)
Robust analysis. Maggie would be turning in her grave if she could read the interventionistic agenda of the Cummings-BoJo government.
Not really, had it remained the EEC we would probibly still be members.

jonbxx 09-10-2020 12:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36053146)
Not really, had it remained the EEC we would probibly still be members.
Dunno, she is regarded as the architect of the Single Market and brought in Qualified Majority voting in the European Council to help move things along.

Of course, she was not so keen on some of the regulatory aspects but a single market cannot exist without a common rule book.

Hugh 09-10-2020 13:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36053149)
Dunno, she is regarded as the architect of the Single Market and brought in Qualified Majority voting in the European Council to help move things along.

Of course, she was not so keen on some of the regulatory aspects but a single market cannot exist without a common rule book.
https://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/107219

pip08456 09-10-2020 13:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36053154)
I like this bit.

Quote:
[There was a tendency in Europe to talk in lofty tones of European Union.That may be good for the soul. But the body—Europe's firms and organisations and the people who work in them—needs something more nourishing.]

Sephiroth 09-10-2020 13:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36053156)
I like this bit.
They're still dead lofty.. Their Foreign Minister is the "High Representative".

TheDaddy 09-10-2020 15:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36052386)
Broadly, I think a patriot extols the virtues of their homeland and seeks its improvement where it is found wanting. A nationalist believes their homeland is superior to foreign lands and may have some difficulty accepting theirs has any significant flaws at all.
I wonder what a patriot would make of the food and animal welfare amendments to the agriculture bill being rejected by the government the other day with the admission that further trade deals would be next to impossible if we don't lower our standards

pip08456 13-10-2020 12:42
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The French fishermen are getting a bit upset. Perhaps they should've thought more about the future when overfishing their waters?

Quote:
Fisherman Laurent Merlin said: "There is no fish left for us in French waters.

"Sole has completely disappeared already, the small amount that is left is in British waters.

"It's not much better, but it's better than in French waters, we will definitely disappear that is for sure."

French fishermen have repeatedly argued that if British fishermen reclaim their waters they will lose their livelihoods.

Link

1andrew1 13-10-2020 12:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36053187)
I wonder what a patriot would make of the food and animal welfare amendments to the agriculture bill being rejected by the government the other day with the admission that further trade deals would be next to impossible if we don't lower our standards
I imagine they will find it a tad awkward and try and change the conversation onto something else. ;)

jfman 13-10-2020 17:52
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...dline-on-talks

Suspect EU backing Sleepy Joe for the US election. UK will be cap in hand for a deal by Guy Fawkes night if Trump loses.

pip08456 13-10-2020 18:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36053501)
The French fishermen are getting a bit upset. Perhaps they should've thought more about the future when overfishing their waters?



Link
The Flemish fishermen will be OK though.

Quote:
Flemish trawler men have less to fear than most if no deal is reached thanks a privilege granted to fifty Bruges fishers in 1666. Under this privilege, ‘Privilegie der Visscherie’ (Privilege of Fisheries), the Bruges fishers are granted the ‘eternal right’ to fish in English waters. Flemish fisheries minister, Hilde Crevits, who also doubles as economy minister and deputy premier waved the document about on Flemish radio last week.
Link

papa smurf 13-10-2020 18:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36053552)
The Flemish fishermen will be OK though.



Link
hmmm A well placed torpedo should end that.

1andrew1 13-10-2020 18:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36053550)
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...dline-on-talks

Suspect EU backing Sleepy Joe for the US election. UK will be cap in hand for a deal by Guy Fawkes night if Trump loses.
Unfortunately, Sleepy [Bo]Jo is unlikely to be a Sleepy Joe favourite. BoJo famously wrote an article for The Sun calling Obama part-Kenyan and falsely claiming that he removed Churchill's bust from the White House. This went down like a lead balloon with the Obama administration.
https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/boris...owning-street/

papa smurf 13-10-2020 18:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36053554)
Unfortunately, Sleepy [Bo]Jo is unlikely to be a Sleepy Joe favourite. BoJo famously wrote an article for The Sun calling Obama part-Kenyan and falsely claiming that he removed Churchill's bust from the White House. This went down like a lead balloon with the Obama administration.
https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/boris...owning-street/
We all know obama is 100% nob head,clearly bojo got the description wrong.

Hugh 13-10-2020 19:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36053556)
We all know obama is 100% nob head,clearly bojo got the description wrong.
No, we all don’t...

papa smurf 13-10-2020 20:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36053564)
No, we all don’t...
You do now,glad to be of help.

Mad Max 13-10-2020 20:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36053582)
You do now,glad to be of help.

:D

pip08456 13-10-2020 21:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36053554)
Unfortunately, Sleepy [Bo]Jo is unlikely to be a Sleepy Joe favourite. BoJo famously wrote an article for The Sun calling Obama part-Kenyan and falsely claiming that he removed Churchill's bust from the White House. This went down like a lead balloon with the Obama administration.
https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/boris...owning-street/
Are you saying Obama is not part Kenyan?

1andrew1 13-10-2020 21:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36053603)
Are you saying Obama is not part Kenyan?
Where did I say this?

Mr K 13-10-2020 21:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36053603)
Are you saying Obama is not part Kenyan?
This Brexit thread has gone off on a weird one...

1andrew1 13-10-2020 21:52
Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36053607)
This Brexit thread has gone off on a weird one...
The below may explain matters. ;)

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36053187)
I wonder what a patriot would make of the food and animal welfare amendments to the agriculture bill being rejected by the government the other day with the admission that further trade deals would be next to impossible if we don't lower our standards
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36053504)
I imagine they will find it a tad awkward and try and change the conversation onto something else. ;)

Hugh 13-10-2020 21:58
Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36053582)
You do now,glad to be of help.
As much help as you usually are, and with the same amount if verisimilitude - just constantly repeating falsehoods doesn’t make them true...

Oh, sorry - I forgot you are a BoJo supporter...

pip08456 13-10-2020 22:38
Re: Brexit-Transitional Period Ends 31/12/20
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36053606)
Where did I say this?
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36053554)
BoJo famously wrote an article for The Sun calling Obama part-Kenyan
It seemed to offend you.


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