Originally Posted by v0id (Post 35190612)

Originally Posted by MickEP (Post 35190586)

Hi All,
I have just had Tivo Installed Today, and I must say this is an impressive piece of kit.
Quick Question
On the ebay app, can you actually log in to your account, or is it just used for browsing ebay ?
Thanks
Mick

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35190616)

So that about 5 years of the £10 recording fee, which is exactly my point.

Sky+ then was new technology so cost more per month, it's a decade old now. So comparing manture technology to Virgin TiVo which is new isn't a valid comparison

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35190616)

So that about 5 years of the £10 recording fee, which is exactly my point.

Sky+ then was new technology so cost more per month, it's a decade old now. So comparing manture technology to Virgin TiVo which is new isn't a valid comparison

Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35190623)

With VM charging half the price that SKY was charging they get the option of keeping it for twice as long:erm:

P.S why are we talking about what SKY charges ( i thought that this was a forum for VIRGIN? ).

Originally Posted by mersey70 (Post 35190620)

Ah yes but V+ has been around for 5 years hasn't it.

Is it not the case anyone not on XL pays £5 a month for it?

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35190625)

We are comparing to VM planned monthly TIVO charge.

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35190625)

We are comparing to VM planned monthly TIVO charge.

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35190633)

You taking the TiVo charge which covers everything the box does, and comparing it to Sky and the PVR service only

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35190639)

Nobody is slagging TIVO off just merely pointing out that the £3.00 charge may be a mistake.

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35190639)

an ipad app with suggestions you may like when selecting a program , sky mobile tv etc. Like i say blinkered.

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35190649)

Well why don't we agree to disagree ;)

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35190649)

Well why don't we agree to disagree ;)

Originally Posted by Cozzy (Post 35190506)

I know i have said i wont get Tivo (or at least i wont pay for it) but i am following this thread with interest being someone who likes techy advances.

So far the more i read the more i believe VM have made a mess by releasing a completely unfinished product ... there seems so many things that point to it being released at least 6 months/a year too early. Those that have it may defend it to the hilt but the average person and therefore the average VM customer wants a finished fully working product which the current state of Tivo is clearly not at.

Half or more of the menus are old SD format, and based on 10 year old code with a number of basic functions like the INFO button are not yet working. The statement from the tivo forums there is one code drop due soon and the bigger code drop in around September (unless delayed of course) just shows the product in not finished by any means. The basic functions in these code drops should have been there way before the product was allowed into the public domain and in particular the September code drop with its fixes as that will be months after official launch.

No excuses .. you would not expect Sony or Panasonic or other big brand leaders to release a product as half finished as the Tivo is yet VM have rushed this product out to try compete against Sky and VM's lack of influence getting new channels.

VM may well be on the right track and time will tell but they have not come out of this looking very good in my eyes for a leading edge company.... all IMHO of course of which you have the right to disagree

I also stand by my prediction that the £3 charge will start to increase year on year after Tivo is around in numbers so VM can get some of the cash back
but will gladly buy DF, Stephen and other adamant staff members a nights full of beer drinking if i am wrong in 2015 :D

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35190672)

http://vmhd.blogspot.com/2011/03/500...n-its-way.html

Is this story true or just someone else speculating. It states launching very soon.

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35190676)

Dunno. There has been nothing mentioned about a 500GB box in any briefs, but nothing saying the 1TB TiVo will the only box either

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35190672)

http://vmhd.blogspot.com/2011/03/500...n-its-way.html

Is this story true or just someone else speculating. It states launching very soon.

Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35190683)

I posted about this earlier in the thread, check out post 3911:D

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35190686)

I know, I was just trying to find out if there was any truth in it.

Originally Posted by cozmic1988 (Post 35190693)

Guess it wouldn't be that hard to swap out 1TB for 500GB, it's not like the software would need to be any different. They could have all manner of sizes in no time!

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35190698)

True maybe this could be an option in the email for pre reg to order.

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35190581)

That's my initial plan when I get tivo, but I will experiment. The fact that there are 3 recordable tuners should reduce the problms with adding padding though.

If the September update has the V+ method of padding, that would solve the poblem, but no one has said wheather it will. Maybe they aren't allowed to?

Originally Posted by howardmicks (Post 35190718)

Why will it take till september for that update,Seems a awfull long time?

Originally Posted by howardmicks (Post 35190718)

Why will it take till september for that update,Seems a awfull long time?

Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic (Post 35190721)

I think that's just the latest they expect it. The development team at TiVo/VM are prioritising other features, such as 3rd tuner.

It's no biggy for most, especially when you will have 3 tuners in a few weeks. :)

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35190719)

Surely you should be used to waiting now LOL :D

Originally Posted by mattboothers (Post 35190741)

Hi is it because Im not on VIP or Triple XL why I didnt get picked in the raffle as I have heard it was not a random draw it was just for VIPs and Triple XL.

Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 35190709)

Hi, is there any truth in this?

Originally Posted by cozmic1988 (Post 35190714)

Here's hoping! £49 is a lot easier to swallow than £149 :)

Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35190750)

Check out post 97 on this thread?

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35190757)

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35130474-post97.html

Eh

Originally Posted by fixerman (Post 35190762)

It looks like no calls were received today. Is that the end of free Tivos?:confused:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35190773)

You may find the epg better when you switch to colour LOL :-)

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35190751)

If it's true, I still don't get this; there isn't a 100 pound cost difference between the drives. I wonder if there will be some limitation of tivo functionality on the 500 gig one? Or, VM have decided to charge a premium for increased recording space?

Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35190777)

I have to say that is down right rude even with the LOL at the end of it. I really think that you are living up to the first part of you name with that comment.

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35190781)

Lighten up a bit just a bit of fun I'm sure the poster hasn't took offence just don't hear many on here with CRT displays.

Originally Posted by Big-Ted (Post 35190779)

Well Sky give free 250 gig to new and upgrades on some subscription levels but charge £249 for a 1 TB version so they think 750 meg is worth £249......


Virgin don't seem so greedy on that basis.


;)

Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35190782)

I took offence as i have one and how do you know that the poster has not taken offence as they have not posted again?.

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35190784)

Honestly Ted get your facts right the sky 1 tb box is actually 1.5tb with 500gb for anytime.
http://m.pocket-lint.com/reviews/rev...ary.phtml/4649

Originally Posted by Big-Ted (Post 35190779)

Well Sky give free 250 gig to new and upgrades on some subscription levels but charge £249 for a 1 TB version so they think 750 meg is worth £249......


Virgin don't seem so greedy on that basis.


;)

Originally Posted by Big-Ted (Post 35190788)

Oh dear you are wrong....

http://www.sky.com/shop/boxes/1TB

Sky+HD 1TB box from £249
(Standard set-up fee applies. Existing Sky+ or Sky+HD customers may be able to choose self set-up for £15).

;)

and at bottom of your link

At £250 plus an installation fee you've got to be a big fan of TV to want to upgrade, however, that said, in doing so you'll have a box that will stand you in good stead for a couple of years to come.

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35190791)

I'm afraid I'm not read the review. It's advertised as 1TB because that's the amount the customer has for recordings.

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35190784)

Well apologies my friend and to the poster is that better nothing nasty meant :D

Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35190793)

Well too late now i have had enough of talking about SKY, TIVO charges and also the constant bickering about the hard drive sizes and alll the other drivel that is going in to this thread. END OF

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35190794)

Tell that to the person who first mentioned HDD sizes

Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35190798)

That is why i am not posting here again and i can now see why BIG RED left this site, GOODNIGHT AND FAREWELL.

Originally Posted by Big-Ted (Post 35190779)

Well Sky give free 250 gig to new and upgrades on some subscription levels but charge £249 for a 1 TB version so they think 750 meg is worth £249......


Virgin don't seem so greedy on that basis.


;)

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35190808)

I wasn't suggesting they were being greedy, I was just trying to figure it out.

Originally Posted by Harryn9000 (Post 35190776)

i got a call today and have got a free tivo getting fitted in 2 weeks time.

Originally Posted by Parlyboy (Post 35190817)

Would you be offended if I called you a jammy git?! ;)

Enjoy. We'll get ours......eventually :erm:

Originally Posted by mattboothers (Post 35190823)

I have to try to forget about it...its like the ice cream van when I was younger, when I waited for it it never showed up :dozey:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35190828)

http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2011-03/...deo-streaming/

---------- Post added at 19:04 ---------- Previous post was at 19:02 ----------

http://m.cultofmac.com/tivo-hints-at...ing-soon/85472

That would be a good feature.

Originally Posted by mersey70 (Post 35190836)

Cool, I had my first go of an i-pad earlier this week and I was most impressed so I would imagine it would work very well with Tivo.

Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35190798)

That is why i am not posting here again and i can now see why BIG RED left this site, GOODNIGHT AND FAREWELL.

Originally Posted by mattboothers (Post 35190823)

I have to try to forget about it...its like the ice cream van when I was younger, when I waited for it it never showed up :dozey:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35190856)

Does anyone know on the VM TIVO how many hours of HD the 1tb box will hold ?

Originally Posted by E2R (Post 35190872)

Had Tivo nearly two weeks and find it very good indeed. It's coupled to a 60" Pioneer KURO which makes the SD pictures very acceptable but I agree they are not as good as either the Samsung or Scientific boxes.

The installation engineer thought the software drivers in the Tivo will be updated to improve SD pictures to match the old boxes. He also said that every time a new HD channel is introduced the SD channels are squeezed (compressed) a little more causing the SD problems but not explaining why the Tivo suffers most.

Finally, he believes the network will shortly upgrade to 256 QAM from 64 QAM to get more bandwidth but I read somewhere that this had already been done. Anyone know?

Originally Posted by E2R (Post 35190872)

Finally, he believes the network will shortly upgrade to 256 QAM from 64 QAM to get more bandwidth but I read somewhere that this had already been done. Anyone know?

Originally Posted by Belson8r (Post 35190879)

already been done sir :D

Tivo as you know uses the new stb modems...only works on @ full capacity on 256 QAM...**** hit the fan when the not so super dooper hubs were released for 50meg users, then 20 & 30MB users have been asked to be upgraded to the new hub...bye bye old good solid modems! hello FLOPPY HUBS...:angel:

Originally Posted by devilincarnate (Post 35190798)

That is why i am not posting here again and i can now see why BIG RED left this site, GOODNIGHT AND FAREWELL.

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35190856)

Does anyone know on the VM TIVO how many hours of HD the 1tb box will hold ?

Originally Posted by Belson8r (Post 35190874)

240 Hours on Standard Definition...so HD uses around 4x as much as SD uses...do the maths (twiddles thumbs and looks surprised...:rolleyes:)...so around 60 hours is what you'd expect...depending on whether the channel is upscaled or actually true hd... as were told few months back from a TM...we are also aware from a few test installs over the past few weeks that WE HATE THEM!!! haha

Seriously...23 Minutes for a DOWNLOAD on first Install !!!

Spose we really could go play around with the muxes and tag cables at the Slot Boxes lol :dunce:

Originally Posted by pythagoras (Post 35190910)

Sd 710 hours 179 hours HD

regards

john.

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35190914)

179 hrs that's more than I thought , pretty good storage that.

Originally Posted by pythagoras (Post 35190922)

Your mileage may vary;) Thats real world useage on my TiVo. Its 7% full so just multiplied the recorded hours by 100 and divided by 7, after converting all the hd recordings to sd by x by 4. And then dividing the sd recordings by 4 to double check.

Its as accurate a figure without getting to complicated. My ratio of sd to hd recordings are 1:2. So the HD figure will be more accurate than the SD.

Regards

John.

Originally Posted by mersey70 (Post 35190927)

I am really confused.

The Tivo user guide says it can record 400 hours of SD and 100 hours of HD.

http://www.virginmedia.com/tivo/tivo_quick_guide.pdf

Assuming SD is 2:1 like V+ (160gb = 80 hours) then I would calculate 1TB as 500 hours

I'm baffled! (dosen't take much)

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35190926)

How are you finding it all in all John. Have u tried the full set of features ?

Originally Posted by Belson8r (Post 35190932)

sorrrrrryy...i assumed he was talking about the 10mb(soon to be 20MB) modems within the tivo's haha

MY BAD :D

Few teething problems with tivo's so far on first installs...as said in an earlier post of mine, 23minutes for box download! bit ridiculous...i use this time to run out and do cab tagging, toby checks and other service checks or generally get some fresh air...256 QAM compared to the 64 QAM on older boxes...where do i start....hmmmmm...lamens terms...3 HD Channels can fit onto the one QAM...but just because the 3 channels can fit into one, does not mean it is a good idea...the more the channels(HD) in one qam...the lesser the quality. So...basics are basics...Tivo DOES and SHOULD be set up to use 256 QAM in order for future services (even more HD CHANNELS) to be pumped down from head end to a fibre node near you, shocked down in little electric signals (RF) to an even smaller DP(Distribution Point) or Surface Box(Pit)...then down another little cable to your home...this is an ideal situation...buttt and i say BIG BUTT..... :P
It should be set at 256 QAM for future reference... :D
Also quick note for other posters...you should be checking outside at your little box attached to your home entry point (ETB/OMNI)...old style fittings (Blue skinned/Gold Skinned)...they should be silver with a black seal 3/4 of way down...seems to be a few problems with frequency roll off causing channels to go missing with the TIVO for which VM Cust Services blame on the box being faulty for which they are not...its the fittings that need renewed...so make sure your service tech or install engineer changes these...also ask him to make sure none of your cabling is HONEYCOMB!!! Channels dissapear randomly...seems to be an ever growing trend up here in scotland for engineers to become lazy and use existing cabling hmmmmmmmmm :/

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35190936)

Wow you know your stuff you've blown my mind LOL.

Originally Posted by Belson8r (Post 35190943)

This is the thing though, seems to be Virgins baby...the more services the better and its getting to a point where pumping so many services down the one line is getting too much for alot of cable...its noticeable alot more nowadays...hits taking a while to reach boxes...i think its time for fibre optic cable to be run straight to the customers home...with a small wireless sender that is recieved from a small reciever at stb's and modems :D

ONE CAN ONLY DREAM :)

Originally Posted by pythagoras (Post 35190945)

Its my job, I'm a Maths teacher.:sulk: runs and hides in the corner

regards

John.

Originally Posted by E2R (Post 35190924)

Yes I was referring to television and with extra bandwidth from 256 QAM there would not be the need to compress the SD channels as much so the Tivo would give acceptable pictures until better drivers are released and with 256 QAM there would be room for more HD channels

Originally Posted by cozmic1988 (Post 35190967)

Half that if VM's own figures are correct. Bring on MPEG4! (The incompatible boxes could be replaced with the rejected-because-of-TiVo Samsung boxes?) Who knows.

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35190970)

Even on mpeg2 TIVO's 1TB is more than enough for everybody. But I agree mpeg4 would be better.

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35190974)

there is a page in the settings for tivo that should tell you roughly the amount of recording time remaining. instead of guessing lol.

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35190965)

Mpeg 4 figure on 1TB HDD is 240hrs HD
http://www.sky.com/shop/boxes/1TB

Not sure on Mpeg 2 for TIVO.

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35190974)

there is a page in the settings for tivo that should tell you roughly the amount of recording time remaining. instead of guessing lol.

Originally Posted by pythagoras (Post 35190996)

Sky can give you 240 hours at a bitrate of 10 Mb per second. Blu-ray is 40 Mb per second.

Originally Posted by Jameseh (Post 35191008)

TV is broadcast in 1080i meaning a picture of 1440x1080 is broadcast, much less information that full 1920x1080. Plus a Blu Ray compressed to around 13mbps would hardly be noticeable, so 10mbps for Live TV is essentially as good as it will get.