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Re: Britain outside the EU

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36205127)

Damn, I was gonna sell him the Isle of Wight

he'll buy it ;)

Re: Britain outside the EU

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36205128)

It's an independent enquiry, not an echo chamber on Redditt or Twitter.

everything is now an echo of social media :p:

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36205131)

he'll buy it ;)

he will when I mention planning permission (passed) for the Eurostar Link

Re: Britain outside the EU

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36205132)

everything is now an echo of social media :p:

he will when I mention planning permission (passed) for the Eurostar Link

Lol, if only I could afford it! Maybe someone with a gold-plated final salary scheme might afford it though...

Re: Britain outside the EU

It's still an IF - but if Reeves blames Brexit for our economic woes and their priority remains the economy, then by corollary, it will be their official policy for the next GE to re-join the EU.

Re: Britain outside the EU

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36205401)

It's still an IF - but if Reeves blames Brexit for our economic woes and their priority remains the economy, then by corollary, it will be their official policy for the next GE to re-join the EU.

Yes, does sound logical - can’t see it going down well with voters, but still!

Look, ultimately it’s impossible to say now as to whether or not Brexit was good or bad for the UK, and it’s all highly subjective.

I like to think of it as similar to claiming that Beethoven would have been an even better composer if his mother had shown him more affection. Something that is completely impossible to prove one way or the other.

If the EU referendum had gone the other way, if the UK government had ignored the result and stayed in*, then, possibly the world might look a bit different, maybe.

* Although the logical conclusion of this would be, yes we claim to be a democracy, but, sorry, screw you, the public, we know best!

Re: Britain outside the EU

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36205401)

It's still an IF - but if Reeves blames Brexit for our economic woes and their priority remains the economy, then by corollary, it will be their official policy for the next GE to re-join the EU.

Let the games commence :D

Re: Britain outside the EU

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36205401)

It's still an IF - but if Reeves blames Brexit for our economic woes and their priority remains the economy, then by corollary, it will be their official policy for the next GE to re-join the EU.

The OBR will cite it so I assume Reeves can add her own take on it. The next election is likely to be four years away but if we want growth and an end to ever-increasing tax rises, then I think re-joining the Single Market could make it into their manifesto.

Re: Britain outside the EU

Are you really missing those EU 'handouts' we used to get?

We won't get any growth if all we do is import (buy) things from everywhere else.

We also can't reduce taxation while 2/3 of the country are on benefits of one kind or another and the other 1/3 are screaming for wage rises :D

Either IN or OUT will not make the slightest difference now, it's a Global thing ;)

Re: Britain outside the EU

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36205433)

Well they odds on to lose the next election, they might as well make it a complete certainty

Re: Britain outside the EU

Now that BoJo's no longer a columnist, and the data has been released, The Telegraph can be a bit more candid about the very high levels of immigration that have arisen post Brexit.

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How the ‘Boriswave’ of 4.2m migrants will shape Britain for generations

Following a post-Brexit surge in immigration, new figures reveal the long-term fiscal and social cost of low-skilled arrivals

On Dec 31 2020, a line was drawn under half a decade of political turmoil and deep societal division, as the UK formally stepped away from the European Union.

Immigration, which for years has been largely dictated from Brussels, could start to fall to levels promised by consecutive Conservative governments.
Instead, the new year would mark the start of the single greatest mass movement of people to the UK in history.

Between 2021 and 2024, some 4.2 million people entered the country as the UK opened its doors to hundreds of thousands of Hong Kongese and Ukrainians, and lowered entry barriers for workers and students. Meanwhile, thousands of small boats were landing on Britain’s shores.

Now, half a decade later, the finer detail of official data released in recent days shows how those migrants are shaping British society – and how they will do so for decades to come...

Migrants who arrived in 2021 will, over the course of this year, become eligible for indefinite leave to remain. This status, which kicks in five years after first arriving on most work visas, will mean that if a series of criteria are met, they will be eligible to access welfare payments, childcare vouchers and the NHS without paying a health surcharge.

The numbers are significant. For the workers who arrived in 2021, some 125,029 still remained in the country at the end of last year. That’s twice the number of people who became eligible to apply for indefinite leave to remain from the previous year’s cohort...

But over the next few years, up to 1.2 million Boriswave migrants will become eligible for indefinite leave to remain. The impacts will be profound.
Low-wage, low-skill migration could, in the long term, cost the country far more than the short-term gain of plugging labour gaps.

https://archive.ph/Bdxb3#selection-8389.0-8397.130

Re: Britain outside the EU

They're bound to end up claiming everything they can, there's no jobs (or houses, schools, dentists, hospital beds etc) :D

Re: Britain outside the EU

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36216325)

Now that BoJo's no longer a columnist, and the data has been released, The Telegraph can be a bit more candid about the very high levels of immigration that have arisen post Brexit.

https://archive.ph/Bdxb3#selection-8389.0-8397.130

Post Brexit doesn’t mean ‘because of’ Brexit’. Blaming Brexit for the state of the economy is a good cop out for the government, who don’t seem to have grasped the damage Rachel Reeves’ budget decisions have led to the worsening situation.

The fact is, no real effort has been put in to making Brexit work. We are still bound by bureaucratic EU laws, and the elimination of this level of bureaucracy was one of the big things that could have improved the fortunes of our businesses.

Re-joking would be a betrayal, and the exact opposite of democracy.

Re: Britain outside the EU

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36216341)

OB's right. Of course the Tories, my party, didn't make Brexit work either - see May for details.

But OB is particularly right to single out Rachel Reeves for her crass errors and failed understanding of how an economy works.

Re: Britain outside the EU

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36216341)

Immigration isn’t high because of EU laws. Immigration is high because the Tories tricked the voters - consistently promising lower immigration while rubber stamping (legal) immigration for anyone who wants to come.

People voted for lower immigration. Betrayal is the Boriswave.

Re: Britain outside the EU

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36216341)

The Telegraph article is not talking about the 4% + reduction in the UK economy due to Brexit or whether Reeves is a poor chancellor. It's talking about the Boriswave of 4.2m mainly low-skilled immigrants. What are your thoughts on the article?