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Damien 22-10-2010 14:48
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35112021)
My money is this all being a work from day 1. Rooney wanting to leave as far back as August would have been picked up by the press. I reckon this is all a ploy by SAF to manipulate the media and divert attention away from Rooney's extra-matrimonial hat-tricks. SAF is the master of mind games and working the media is part of that. I'm convinced there was never any intentions of him leaving. He's got the deal everyone expected him to sign and suddenly people are concentrating on his performances on the pitch instead of in some brothel.
Well clearly not.

For a start there is no way that he, the club, or Rooney would have wanted things to get this far. Rooney's image has been damaged in the last week amongst United's own fans and while the spin to rehabilitate him has already started (it was his agent, he was only concerned about the future of the club) it should be remembered that it was Rooney's people who gave the nod for the 'Rooney leaving' stories at the start of the week and he gave the statement on Wednesday.

The affair story had been lost already, to suddenly flare an issue up months later makes no sense. The media may well have known last August, in fact they enquired about a rumored move to City, but both club and agent denied this and the press didn't run with it.

I am not sure if this was a spectacularly ill-conceived contract negotiation attempt, or he wanted to move to City but was taken aback by the reaction.

Russ 22-10-2010 15:03
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His image has already been damaged, he'd been dropped from some advertising campaign. I can't see his reputation getting that much worse out of this and even so perhaps SAF considered this the lesser of 2 evils. His people would have been involved in this too.

I just can't see such a massive U turn coming so soon after him saying he wants to leave. 5 years is a big contract to sign.

And I really can't remember anything mentioned about Rooney possibly leaving back in AUgust :confused:

Saaf_laandon_mo 22-10-2010 15:05
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
I think Utd have played a blinder as they have now secured a prized asset for a further 5 years, meaning that if he wanted to move again, say in Summer, he will now command a much higher transfer fee.

Damien 22-10-2010 15:57
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo (Post 35112028)
I think Utd have played a blinder as they have now secured a prized asset for a further 5 years, meaning that if he wanted to move again, say in Summer, he will now command a much higher transfer fee.
I do wonder if Fergie will kick him out in the summer. He never seems to allow such open challenges before.

TheDaddy 22-10-2010 16:10
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35112021)
My money is this all being a work from day 1. Rooney wanting to leave as far back as August would have been picked up by the press. I reckon this is all a ploy by SAF to manipulate the media and divert attention away from Rooney's extra-matrimonial hat-tricks. SAF is the master of mind games and working the media is part of that. I'm convinced there was never any intentions of him leaving. He's got the deal everyone expected him to sign and suddenly people are concentrating on his performances on the pitch instead of in some brothel.
Great mind game, to completely turn the press against some one when their personal life is already front page news, making the press look like fools isn't going to divert their attention away from Rooney for a long, long time. Master of mind games my arse, if anyone is manipulating the situation it was Rooneys agent, that's without even going into the impact this'll have on his team mates and fans.

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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo (Post 35112028)
I think Utd have played a blinder as they have now secured a prized asset for a further 5 years, meaning that if he wanted to move again, say in Summer, he will now command a much higher transfer fee.
Yes but what did Rooney get out of it, pay rise? Well if he'd waited till January he'd have been able to name his own wages all but and secure a massive signing on fee.

Saaf_laandon_mo 22-10-2010 16:33
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35112049)
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Yes but what did Rooney get out of it, pay rise? Well if he'd waited till January he'd have been able to name his own wages all but and secure a massive signing on fee.
Bearing in mind his reasons were not motivated by money (alledgedly), and more so by thinking the club would ot be able to win any trophies through lack of new signings, once the re-assurance had made that Utd are going to sign new players, could he really then justify leaving? (hope that made sense)

TheDaddy 22-10-2010 16:44
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo (Post 35112063)



Bearing in mind his reasons were not motivated by money (alledgedly), and more so by thinking the club would ot be able to win any trophies through lack of new signings, once the re-assurance had made that Utd are going to sign new players, could he really then justify leaving? (hope that made sense)
Makes perfect sense however if all he wanted was reassurance why let the situation get so far out of hand, he has behaved so badly toward his team mates, fans and management he might not be able to turn it round.

gazzae 22-10-2010 16:44
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I think money was a huge factor in the deal. If the reports are true hes pretty much doubled his money.

The way I see it its one of the following options

1/ It was a cynical ploy on the part of Rooneys team to secure the best monatary deal possible and Rooney had no intention of leaving.

2/ He has been given assurances on the future of the club and has changed his mind. That said I'm not sure what assurances could be given and how binding any assurances would be.

3/ Fergie has said - Sign a new deal for a huge payrise and give us one more year. If you still want to leave then we won't stand in your way.

Russ 22-10-2010 16:45
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35112049)
Great mind game, to completely turn the press against some one when their personal life is already front page news, making the press look like fools isn't going to divert their attention away from Rooney for a long, long time. Master of mind games my arse, if anyone is manipulating the situation it was Rooneys agent, that's without even going into the impact this'll have on his team mates and fans.
The press were against him anyway - as I said the lesser of 2 evils, one of which has now been solved.

TheDaddy 22-10-2010 16:47
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35112069)
The press were against him anyway - as I said the lesser of 2 evils, one of which has now been solved.
Against him is different to out to get him

Matty_ 22-10-2010 16:51
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
All this has really made me laugh, you had Rooney stating this and that and he wanted to leave. Then when none of the potential champions league winning teams expressed any interest, because he is the most over rated player in the world he does a u turn and signs the same deal that was allready on the table.

Utd are left with a striker who hasn`t scored in open play since March, who has publicly dissed his team-mates and manager, smokes and drinks (not to mention other habits) and they think everything is super-duper!
Debt`s of >£700 million and rising aren`t an issue :rolleyes:

He is not in the same class as people like Ronanldo, Messi, Pato, Higuain, etc, but because he`s English the press and pundits rave on about him as if he`s as good as George Best was. Far far from it, it if hadn`t been for some superb "team-mates" he wouldn`t have scored half as many goals.

Oh and he`s got an ankle injury now :rofl: you couldn`t make it up...your welcome to him!!!

gazzae 22-10-2010 17:00
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
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Originally Posted by Matty_ (Post 35112071)
All this has really made me laugh, you had Rooney stating this and that and he wanted to leave. Then when none of the potential champions league winning teams expressed any interest, because he is the most over rated player in the world he does a u turn and signs the same deal that was allready on the table.
I'm taking it by that you don't think Real Madrid have a chance in he Champions League this season

Matty_ 22-10-2010 17:05
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
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Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 35112076)
I'm taking it by that you don't think Real Madrid have a chance in he Champions League this season
I think Real Madrid have a very good chance of winning the champions league, they certainly don`t need Rooney to achieve that. Also from what iv`e read i doubt they were that interested, maybe Mourinho said a few things but remember that`s Mourinho and things work differently in Spain ;)

From Real Madrid director general Jorge Valdano

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When asked about Rooney, Valdano was quoted as saying on Telemadrid: "Madrid have two great strikers; Higuain and Cristiano, who already showed last season that they are capable of scoring 60 goals between them.

"As well as that there are Di Maria and Ozil, who are going to help these two goalscorers. The question is, who would we move aside if we signed another striker?"

When asked if Madrid did not need another striker, Valdano said: "It's not a debate in Madrid. Mourinho had to come out and stop these types of rumours. And as well as that, Benzema has not had the last word."

On in-form Spain frontman Llorente, Valdano added: "I like him, but from that to finding him a place in Madrid, that won't be easy. Every season there will be a new player, but it doesn't always have to be a centre-forward.

"Llorente is improving a lot and he is ready for new experiences, but often the media are discussing things that are not happening in the club."

It remains to be seen if things change over the course of the season, but Valdano also confirmed that the Bernabeu club will not be doing business in the January transfer window.

"In January there will be neither ins nor outs. June is a long way away," he said.

TheDaddy 22-10-2010 17:12
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
Sepp Blatter fallling down

Added bonus is that it looks like it really hurt, although we'll only know for sure if he was just laying there, rather than rolling around and appealing

gazzae 22-10-2010 17:17
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matty_ (Post 35112079)
I think Real Madrid have a very good chance of winning the champions league, they certainly don`t need Rooney to achieve that. Also from what iv`e read i doubt they were that interested, maybe Mourinho said a few things but remember that`s Mourinho and things work differently in Spain ;)
Its no secret that Perez is a fan of Rooney.

But yep you're right no interest there. If only you had told Marca before they splashed it on their front page.


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