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Doofy 18-08-2005 10:41
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Originally Posted by mcmanic
1/theres your 24/7 P2P download users who use both upstream and downstream

2/ then theres your newsgroup subscribers who download 24/7 also but don't use their upstream as much

3/ and then there is your more concerning downloader who will download the latest film or game maybe but not use the network 24/7 but will go over the limit per month and hardly use any upstream

4/ followed by the users who will downloaded to their allocted cap limit

5/and lastly people who just play games,browse and do the odd bit of downloading and uploading, like demos', freeware, ect,ect

Now i'm no Saint and i prob come under number 3 a fair few times, but this has only happened due to the speed increases, before that i was one of them 24/7 users as speed wasn't fast enought to get what i wanted then leave network free and unused.

So to be fair although there is those that extract the urine but to actually have a faster download speed i would have thought eased the network slightly as people like myself get what they want and then not download anything unlike before? - and i bet there is thousands of users under number 3 at present and hundreds under number 1
I have been known to come under number 3 now and again when the mood takes me :) then my connection is just used for general internet use and email I personally dont care how people use there connection or what they download or upload, as long as it doesnt impact on my usage, i am happy

sherer 18-08-2005 10:50
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then there are the people who are burning and selling the DVDs who max it all the time

maybe the best thing is for the ISPs to ban the P2P ports and torrent ports.. although that can have an impact on the very few ligitamate usues of these bits of SW

bilal 18-08-2005 12:01
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Originally Posted by sherer
then there are the people who are burning and selling the DVDs who max it all the time

maybe the best thing is for the ISPs to ban the P2P ports and torrent ports.. although that can have an impact on the very few ligitamate usues of these bits of SW
p2p and torrent ports can be changed :), so that would have no effect at all

dr wadd 18-08-2005 12:08
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Originally Posted by sherer
maybe the best thing is for the ISPs to ban the P2P ports and torrent ports.. although that can have an impact on the very few ligitamate usues of these bits of SW
It's bad enough that ISPs attempt to limit how much you use your connection. It is simply not acceptable for ISPs to then start policing what type of connections you make.

Florence 18-08-2005 13:24
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Originally Posted by dr wadd
It's bad enough that ISPs attempt to limit how much you use your connection. It is simply not acceptable for ISPs to then start policing what type of connections you make.
They will not but what I think should be done is a charge for every GIG over the limit these people use they pay for. If all paying £24.99 used the limit all would be well but when many use less yet others over use and cause the network to slow down then I feel these people should pay for the extra.

My personal opinion.

Stuart 18-08-2005 13:33
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Originally Posted by dr wadd
Quote:
Originally Posted by sherer
maybe the best thing is for the ISPs to ban the P2P ports and torrent ports.. although that can have an impact on the very few ligitamate usues of these bits of SW
It's bad enough that ISPs attempt to limit how much you use your connection. It is simply not acceptable for ISPs to then start policing what type of connections you make.
I doubt they could anyway. For one, it is actually quite difficult to block some programs (IIRC MSN messenger is particularly good at changing to different ports if the normal one is blocked), and for another thing, all these programs DO have a legitimate use, so NTL may find themselves in a bit of trouble if they do block them.

Bill C 18-08-2005 13:56
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Originally Posted by bilal
p2p and torrent ports can be changed :), so that would have no effect at all
There is always traffic shaping :)

rogerdraig 18-08-2005 15:02
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why do so many get so worked up about what others download

these new speeds are aimed eventualy at providing tv by internet films ect

now ntl will be the main people aiming to get you to buy this stuff i cant see them being very popular if you have to pay for film, show whatever and pay again for the download

un capped is the only way that any of this will work

ian@huth 18-08-2005 16:08
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Originally Posted by rogermevans
why do so many get so worked up about what others download

these new speeds are aimed eventualy at providing tv by internet films ect

now ntl will be the main people aiming to get you to buy this stuff i cant see them being very popular if you have to pay for film, show whatever and pay again for the download

un capped is the only way that any of this will work
Think about it.

Company A can supply a film via the internet for £2.

NTL can supply the same film via the internet for £2.

What incentive is there for anyone to use the NTL service?

Now if NTL supply the film free but you have to pay £2 for the extra broadband usage that it needs then it costs you the same but ensures that you use NTL rather than company A. It would cost £2 for the film plus £2 for the extra broadband usage if you used company A. Result is that this sort of pricing structure provides more profit for NTL which can be used for upgrading infrastructure and reducing debt.

rogerdraig 18-08-2005 17:31
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Originally Posted by ian@huth
Think about it.

Company A can supply a film via the internet for £2.

NTL can supply the same film via the internet for £2.

What incentive is there for anyone to use the NTL service?

Now if NTL supply the film free but you have to pay £2 for the extra broadband usage that it needs then it costs you the same but ensures that you use NTL rather than company A. It would cost £2 for the film plus £2 for the extra broadband usage if you used company A. Result is that this sort of pricing structure provides more profit for NTL which can be used for upgrading infrastructure and reducing debt.

didnt make my point as well as i might

as we most likely would buy our films from ntl them limiting how many you can watch seems pointless

and as to buying off other companies it would be better for them to find a way to charge ( for example ) the bbc to stream to ntl customers rather than there being two charges

Acathla 18-08-2005 17:55
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My thoughts on how NTL should handle this are such:
Set up users on contracts like you would a mobile telephone.

I am on orange, i get 200 minutes a month inclusive in my line rental. When I use more minutes i get charged every minute i use my phone. If i dont use all 200 miutes in a month (say i use 50) it gets rolled over to the next month so i now have 250 minutes the next month.

I am on NTL, i get 75GB a month inclusive in my rental. When I use more GB i get charged every GB i use my connection. If i dont use all 75GB in a month (say i use 50) it gets rolled over to the next month so i now have 90GB the next month.

--

Other than that if they dont allow us to 'roll over' GB and charge us say £1 a GB over we go, can we get refunded for every 1GB under we are?

Hope that makes sense :)

Earwig 18-08-2005 18:08
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Originally Posted by ian@huth
Think about it.

Company A can supply a film via the internet for £2.

NTL can supply the same film via the internet for £2.

What incentive is there for anyone to use the NTL service?

Now if NTL supply the film free but you have to pay £2 for the extra broadband usage that it needs then it costs you the same but ensures that you use NTL rather than company A. It would cost £2 for the film plus £2 for the extra broadband usage if you used company A. Result is that this sort of pricing structure provides more profit for NTL which can be used for upgrading infrastructure and reducing debt.
Why are you so obsessed with NTL providing Broadband speed for films for which they get nothing out of?

On some of my posts about Movie Rentals via download you said why should NTL provide me with the bandwidth to download from someone elses movie rentals becuase they will gain nothing out of it....?

My answer to this is becuase NTL are an I.S.P and it is their job to supply the connections to keep up with the speed of the web and future developements and progress.

If they wish to add Movie Rentals to their list of services then fine, but first and foremost they should provide the connection to facilitate it.

They cannot have their fingers in all the pies and I am sure they do not wish to....

ian@huth 18-08-2005 18:32
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Originally Posted by Earwig
Why are you so obsessed with NTL providing Broadband speed for films for which they get nothing out of?

On some of my posts about Movie Rentals via download you said why should NTL provide me with the bandwidth to download from someone elses movie rentals becuase they will gain nothing out of it....?

My answer to this is becuase NTL are an I.S.P and it is their job to supply the connections to keep up with the speed of the web and future developements and progress.

If they wish to add Movie Rentals to their list of services then fine, but first and foremost they should provide the connection to facilitate it.

They cannot have their fingers in all the pies and I am sure they do not wish to....
NTL are not just an ISP and they are not a charitable organisation. They will use their products in whatever way maximises the profit for them. Network infrastructure costs money which has to come from customers by either charging them all the same price or charging them based on their usage. Why shouldn't an ISP operate a service that pays for the cost of the infrastructure needed to sustain it rather than pay for the infrastructure for someone else to make all the profit from it?

The big obsession being shown is that of very heavy bandwidth users wanting ISP's to provide uncapped services at below cost price to satisfy their greed.

Doofy 18-08-2005 18:40
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seems quite reasonable to me the more you use the more you pay, bit like my electricity bill :p:

ian@huth 18-08-2005 18:43
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Originally Posted by Doofy
seems quite reasonable to me the more you use the more you pay, bit like my electricity bill :p:
But not like my electricity bill. :D


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