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Maggy 07-08-2022 17:23
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36130528)
The right to strike or protest should be protected though and it's very naive to think that the more power you are willing to give the Government to curtail people's rights won't, at some point, be used against you.
:tu:

Qtx 07-08-2022 18:23
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36130507)

Is bozo charismatic, I was bored of his act after his second appearance on Have I Got News For You
Bozo was marmite, people either liked or hated him.

Starmer is more like a Ryvita cracker. No one really cares for them either way.

Protests have been curbed gradually over the years. Police now found out who is organising a protest and try to tell them where to go and when. So only an adlib/anonymous protest with no central figure can get around this and its why the anonymous protests couldn't be controlled. They did manage to control the media to stop the news showing the thousands of people there in case more showed up though.

The more control they have over protests, the less impactful protests are.

pip08456 07-08-2022 19:51
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36130527)
Says who ?

Democracy





I sure protests and/or the obstruction of people going about their lawful business are not actual requirements for democracy, nor are strikes (which often benefit no-one).
Except Arthur Scargill.

1andrew1 07-08-2022 22:50
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More undemocratic tendencies from this government exposed
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Leaked report suggests Dominic Raab trying to curb judges’ powers

Exclusive: Deputy prime minister has been accused of wanting ‘a world in which the government is above the law’

Dominic Raab is planning to curb judges’ powers in a move likely to make it harder to bring successful legal challenges against the government in England and Wales, according to a leaked document seen by the Guardian.

The Ministry of Justice (MoJ) paper suggests the justice secretary, who is also deputy prime minister, is considering changes that would have the effect of limiting ministers’ accountability in judicial reviews brought by claimants concerned about the way decisions have been taken by public bodies.

Charlie Whelton, policy and campaigns officer at Liberty, said: “This leaked document suggests that the government plans to make it even harder for people to challenge them and make themselves even less accountable to the public.

“Over the past couple of years, we’ve seen an unprecedented assault on our legal rights, including in the Judicial Review and Courts Act and through ongoing proposals to scrap the Human Rights Act. The government is determined to make it as difficult as possible to take them to court and hold them accountable for unlawful actions.

“Whether by putting up more barriers to bringing cases, overturning judgments they don’t like or blocking off more and more actions from challenge, the government’s attempts to avoid accountability set a very dangerous precedent for all future governments of all stripes.”
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-judges-powers

Paul 07-08-2022 23:57
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36130532)
The UN, ECHR, you know the types this government demonise where ever possible
So just another of you anti tory/governmant rants. Got it.

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36130536)
Except Arthur Scargill.
I didnt realise until now he's actually still alive.
A nasty piece of work to be sure, but I'm not sure how strikes benefited him ?
I seem to recall he got into legal trouble for taking money or something, and of course, lost his war against the government.

TheDaddy 08-08-2022 01:42
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36130541)
So just another of you anti tory/governmant rants. Got it.
As usual you haven't got it at all but unlike on other occasions I won't be an enabler for you to not get it even more. Goodnight

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36130538)
More undemocratic tendencies from this government exposed

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-judges-powers
Wonder how long it'll be before judges are declared enamies of the people again by the Daily Mail

OLD BOY 08-08-2022 08:03
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36130525)
The right to protest or withdraw labour are the very cornerstones of a functioning democracy, that's not strange, thinking they're not is strange.

We have some of the toughest strike laws in the world, certainly far tougher than are needed to become an MP in terms of vote percentage but rather than question that you'd rather rally behind the party's imagined enemy
You are not listening. The right to protest has not been taken away.

As for strike laws, the governments of the day have certainly had to tighten up the rules to ensure that there are proper attempts to negotiate and gain the acceptance of a substantial number of employees before causing disruption. The more the unions abuse the power they have, the more governments will tighten up.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36130528)
The right to strike or protest should be protected though and it's very naive to think that the more power you are willing to give the Government to curtail people's rights won't, at some point, be used against you.
People do have the right to protest. Obstruction has always been an offence except that there has always been some tolerence when it comes to demos. Of course, if you keep pushing the boundaries, the authorities have to act, which is why they have amended the law. But the right to protest has not been taken away.

Maggy 08-08-2022 08:29
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36130548)
You are not listening. The right to protest has not been taken away.

As for strike laws, the governments of the day have certainly had to tighten up the rules to ensure that there are proper attempts to negotiate and gain the acceptance of a substantial number of employees before causing disruption. The more the unions abuse the power they have, the more governments will tighten up.

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People do have the right to protest. Obstruction has always been an offence except that there has always been some tolerence when it comes to demos. Of course, if you keep pushing the boundaries, the authorities have to act, which is why they have amended the law. But the right to protest has not been taken away.
We will see eventually.Frankly I'd rather this government got back together to discuss the present cost of living debacle.:rolleyes:

Ken W 08-08-2022 09:48
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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36130550)
We will see eventually.Frankly I'd rather this government got back together to discuss the present cost of living debacle.:rolleyes:
I agree

1andrew1 08-08-2022 10:23
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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36130550)
We will see eventually.Frankly I'd rather this government got back together to discuss the present cost of living debacle.:rolleyes:
Exactly. Seeing unexpected poverty in his home town, Gordon Brown has now stepped in to highlight the situation.
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Gordon Brown 'seeing poverty I did not expect to see again' as he warns people will go hungry and cold within months

Former Labour prime minister Gordon Brown said he is campaigning heavily on the cost of living crisis because he is seeing poverty in his hometown, Fife, "that I did not expect to see ever again in my lifetime".

People will have to go without food and be unable to heat their homes by October if the government doesn't take urgent action on the cost of living crisis, Gordon Brown has warned.

Speaking to Sky News, the former Labour prime minister said he was seeing poverty in his hometown, Fife, "that I did not expect to see ever again in my lifetime", as he took aim at the Conservatives' policies.

Mr Brown branded the party's windfall tax as "stupid", claiming the opt-outs included in the tax brought forward when Rishi Sunak was chancellor reduced the value of the tax from £15bn to £5bn.

Demanding further intervention from the government, he set out his own vision for dealing with the cost of living crisis, including changing the windfall tax, a cap on energy bills and reforming the benefits system.

But he ruled out his own return to frontline politics, telling Sky News: "When you're out, you're out."

Mr Brown said he is campaigning heavily on the cost of living crisis because he is seeing poverty in his hometown, Fife, "that I did not expect to see ever again in my lifetime".

He said charities are stocking up on duvets, sleeping bags, hot water bottles and blankets "because they know that people can't afford to heat their homes any more".

Meanwhile, faith groups are "thinking of opening their church halls as heating hubs so that pensioners, instead of freezing at home, can have a warm place to go to"
https://news.sky.com/story/former-pm...tings-12668291

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Cutting civil servant roles appears not to be the quick win it is made out to be by Truss and her followers

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Plans to axe 91,000 UK civil servants would ‘cut public services’

Review of Johnson plan finds reductions would hit multiple government functions, say Whitehall insiders

Government plans to axe up to 91,000 civil servants over three years will require deep cuts to public services and cost at least £1bn in redundancy payments, according to a Whitehall review.

Boris Johnson in May unveiled plans for the near 20 per cent reduction in headcount, and in June said he could “prune” back the civil service to 2016 levels “without harming” frontline services

However, government insiders said a review by Steve Barclay, his former chief of staff, had found otherwise.

They added that the Barclay review had led the Treasury to “go cold” on Johnson’s plans after the emergence of the full upfront cost and impact on public services.

One government insider said the proposals to axe 91,000 civil servants would involve “serious cuts” to staff at HM Revenue and Customs, Border Force and prisons. “And you couldn’t protect jobs outside London,” added the insider.

Although estimates were not finalised, another Whitehall insider said a figure of £2bn had been discussed as a working assumption on the cost of compulsory redundancy payments.

The UK’s departure from the EU has required the expansion of the Department of International Trade to negotiate trade deals, while Britain’s post-Brexit immigration regime has increased demands on immigration and Border Force staff.
https://www.ft.com/content/95fbb2f3-...f-60b2ad170ee9

TheDaddy 08-08-2022 12:51
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36130548)
You are not listening. The right to protest has not been taken away.
Why would anyone listen to you when your answering a question no one asked, no one said the right to protest had been taken away

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As for strike laws, the governments of the day have certainly had to tighten up the rules to ensure that there are proper attempts to negotiate and gain the acceptance of a substantial number of employees before causing disruption. The more the unions abuse the power they have, the more governments will tighten up.
They're amongst the tightest in the world already and rather than trying to paint unions as the enemy I'd consider it more appropriate to consider if the onerous thresholds are met for a strike then those workers have serious concerns that need addressing.

Paul 08-08-2022 13:01
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36130545)
As usual you haven't got it at all but unlike on other occasions I won't be an enabler for you to not get it even more.
Well I'd ask for a translation into actual intelligible English, but TBH, I dont really care. :dozey:

Mr K 08-08-2022 14:35
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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36130550)
We will see eventually.Frankly I'd rather this government got back together to discuss the present cost of living debacle.:rolleyes:
The UK Gov is on its hols.

Boris is part of the 'quiet quitting' trend, deliberately letting Rome burn.... He'd love the Tories to lose big time at the next election so they can come crawling back to him. It always has been about him.

..

jfman 08-08-2022 14:55
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Zombie Government (in)action. It’s almost as if the Tories and their rich donors can profiteer form the chaos while the gullible fools who voted for them last time can vote however they like in 2024. The money will be siphoned off into offshore tax havens by then in any case.

OLD BOY 08-08-2022 15:36
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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36130550)
We will see eventually.Frankly I'd rather this government got back together to discuss the present cost of living debacle.:rolleyes:
It’s top of Liz Truss’s list.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36130566)
Why would anyone listen to you when your answering a question no one asked, no one said the right to protest had been taken away.
Your post #3798 certainly implied that. However, glad to hear you admit that the right to protest has not been taken away.

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36130574)
The UK Gov is on its hols.

Boris is part of the 'quiet quitting' trend, deliberately letting Rome burn.... He'd love the Tories to lose big time at the next election so they can come crawling back to him. It always has been about him.
;
..
All politicians are entitled to holiday, and these days modern technology allows them to work at their villa, pool, or wherever they are. You are behind the times, Mr K - you need to curtail your watching of ‘Talking Pictures’ - the world is passing you by! ;)

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36130577)
Zombie Government (in)action. It’s almost as if the Tories and their rich donors can profiteer form the chaos while the gullible fools who voted for them last time can vote however they like in 2024. The money will be siphoned off into offshore tax havens by then in any case.
In case you hadn’t noticed, it’s the summer recess. Happens every year, whichever government is in power.

TheDaddy 08-08-2022 15:49
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36130579)
Your post #3798 certainly implied that. However, glad to hear you admit that the right to protest has not been taken away.[
Admit to something you made up? Don't think so :nono:

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Sounds like attacking peoples right to strike or protest might fall into those categories
Think you might need to borrow Paul's dictionary if you think that equates to taken away

Hugh 08-08-2022 16:46
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36130579)
It’s top of Liz Truss’s list.

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Your post #3798 certainly implied that. However, glad to hear you admit that the right to protest has not been taken away.

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All politicians are entitled to holiday, and these days modern technology allows them to work at their villa, pool, or wherever they are. You are behind the times, Mr K - you need to curtail your watching of ‘Talking Pictures’ - the world is passing you by! ;)

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In case you hadn’t noticed, it’s the summer recess. Happens every year, whichever government is in power.
You do realise that Summer Recess is for the House, not Government Ministers, don’t you?

1andrew1 08-08-2022 17:02
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36130579)
Your post #3798 certainly implied that. However, glad to hear you admit that the right to protest has not been taken away.
Post #3798 is by Peanut and not The Daddy.

Did you mean post 3978?
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36130455)
Sounds like attacking peoples right to strike or protest might fall into those categories as would potentially making it illegal for people to vilify Britain and obviously by extension them

Sephiroth 08-08-2022 17:27
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36130579)
<SNIP>

In case you hadn’t noticed, it’s the summer recess. Happens every year, whichever government is in power.
I don't understand why you took this one on, OB.

The situation is too serious for the Guvmin to be on holiday.

jfman 08-08-2022 17:34
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36130588)
I don't understand why you took this one on, OB.

The situation is too serious for the Guvmin to be on holiday.
Because he’s a fool. Clinging on til the bitter end to defend Johnson under the premise that he can do no wrong.

Even if you set aside that Government wields significant power beyond fhe legislature - there’s also the possibility of recalling Parliament which has happened on a number of occasions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recall_of_Parliament

The Government that freewheeled off the cliff edge at Brexit is now free wheeling the economy. A Conservative Party unworthy of the name.

OLD BOY 08-08-2022 18:05
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36130584)
You do realise that Summer Recess is for the House, not Government Ministers, don’t you?
Yes, and sufficient government ministers are available to continue keeping the country ticking over until the House is reconvened.

There is nothing unusual about this, so why are you so surprised?

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36130585)
Post #3798 is by Peanut and not The Daddy.

Did you mean post 3978?
#3978, sorry.

papa smurf 08-08-2022 18:09
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36130592)
Yes, and sufficient government ministers are available to continue keeping the country ticking over until the House is reconvened.

There is nothing unusual about this, so why are you so surprised?

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#3978, sorry.
Not everyone understands the every day workings of government, don't be too harsh.

OLD BOY 08-08-2022 18:11
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36130589)
Because he’s a fool. Clinging on til the bitter end to defend Johnson under the premise that he can do no wrong.

Even if you set aside that Government wields significant power beyond fhe legislature - there’s also the possibility of recalling Parliament which has happened on a number of occasions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recall_of_Parliament

The Government that freewheeled off the cliff edge at Brexit is now free wheeling the economy. A Conservative Party unworthy of the name.
Ridiculous post. This summer is no different from any other. If something comes up that justifies recalling parliament, then that's what will be done.

The cost of living issue has been addressed already to take us to the autumn. Liz Truss, the most likely candidate to be the next PM, will put in place plans to help people through the winter months on day one of her premiership.

I don't know why, in this technological age, you are still expecting people to be behind their Whitehall desks.

Incidentally, the PM is back at work in London already. All is well.

papa smurf 08-08-2022 18:16
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36130595)
Ridiculous post. This summer is no different from any other. If something comes up that justifies recalling parliament, then that's what will be done.

The cost of living issue has been addressed already to take us to the autumn. Liz Truss, the most likely candidate to be the next PM, will put in place plans to help people through the winter months on day one of her premiership.

I don't know why, in this technological age, you are still expecting people to be behind their Whitehall desks.

Incidentally, the PM is back at work in London already. All is well.
I was reading earlier that wee Nicola has sent bojo another begging letter for more money for the self sufficient scotland ,wonder if any one is empowered to open it and laugh.

jfman 08-08-2022 18:29
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36130595)
Ridiculous post. This summer is no different from any other. If something comes up that justifies recalling parliament, then that's what will be done.
Another wilful display of your own ignorance.

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The cost of living issue has been addressed
:rofl:

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already to take us to the autumn. Liz Truss, the most likely candidate to be the next PM, will put in place plans to help people through the winter months on day one of her premiership.
I wait with baited breath.

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I don't know why, in this technological age, you are still expecting people to be behind their Whitehall desks.
I make no reference to the requirement for any desks in Whitehall. I simply point out there are mechanisms to recall Parliament should that be required - after all recess was your red herring not mine.

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Incidentally, the PM is back at work in London already. All is well.
Like a freewheeling driver. In the seat but out of control.

Hugh 08-08-2022 18:39
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36130592)
Yes, and sufficient government ministers are available to continue keeping the country ticking over until the House is reconvened.

There is nothing unusual about this, so why are you so surprised?

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#3978, sorry.
I wasn’t - it was just you had stated
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In case you hadn’t noticed, it’s the summer recess. Happens every year, whichever government is in power.
in reply to a post.

It’s interesting that you appear to think that it’s OK, during one of the biggest cost of living crisis in memory, it’s sufficient for the Government to be "ticking over"….

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36130594)
Not everyone understands the every day workings of government, don't be too harsh.
He basically repeated what I said…

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You do realise that Summer Recess is for the House, not Government Ministers, don’t you?
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Yes, and sufficient government ministers are available to continue keeping the country ticking over until the House is reconvened.
Thank you for your input, though - it was up to your usual standard…

OLD BOY 08-08-2022 19:51
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36130600)

It’s interesting that you appear to think that it’s OK, during one of the biggest cost of living crisis in memory, it’s sufficient for the Government to be "ticking over"
Pulling hairs again, Hugh? As already stated, measures are already in place until the autumn and in fact some are rolling out even now as we speak.

The problem relates to the winter months, and the new PM will announce further measures to assist with the winter months in September.

If you are expecting the government to be panicked into blurting out yet more help before the colder months have arrived, you are sadly mistaken. Government is ticking over just nicely for the time being.

GrimUpNorth 08-08-2022 19:51
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36130592)
Yes, and sufficient government ministers are available to continue keeping the country ticking over until the House is reconvened.

There is nothing unusual about this, so why are you so surprised?

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#3978, sorry.
Apart from the country going to shit I suppose you're right that there's nothing unusual going on.

OLD BOY 08-08-2022 19:52
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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36130603)
Apart from the country going to shit I suppose you're right that there's nothing unusual going on.
Always nice to get your take on things!

Grim by name, grim by nature. :D

Mr K 08-08-2022 20:05
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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36130603)
Apart from the country going to shit I suppose you're right that there's nothing unusual going on.
Yeah but we've got our country back, so that's all good.... We've got rid of those nasty immigrant NHS and care workers. We're facing 13% inflation, and a workforce who are all 'quietly quitting' as their wages fail to keep up. An ageing and decaying nation.
However all's brilliant in OB's la la toryboy land .... Wish I was on his pills ;)

jfman 08-08-2022 20:25
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36130602)
Pulling hairs again, Hugh? As already stated, measures are already in place until the autumn and in fact some are rolling out even now as we speak.

The problem relates to the winter months, and the new PM will announce further measures to assist with the winter months in September.

If you are expecting the government to be panicked into blurting out yet more help before the colder months have arrived, you are sadly mistaken. Government is ticking over just nicely for the time being.
:rofl:

You genuinely believe that tripe, don’t you?

Millions of families the length and breadth of the country are heading for catastrophe with increased energy prices and mortgage rates and you consider providing them reassurance “blurting out” a policy.

Despicable.

GrimUpNorth 08-08-2022 20:27
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36130604)
Always nice to get your take on things!

Grim by name, grim by nature. :D
In the deprived north where your lot even admit they've been diverting funds to the well off areas it is grim and getting worse, but I suppose it'll be OK because when people start protesting your lot will just pass a other law to try and stop it.

Old Boy by name, Nadine by nature ;)

1andrew1 08-08-2022 21:48
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36130602)
The problem relates to the winter months, and the new PM will announce further measures to assist with the winter months in September.

If you are expecting the government to be panicked into blurting out yet more help before the colder months have arrived, you are sadly mistaken. Government is ticking over just nicely for the time being.
For lower income families facing significant price hikes in food as well as fuel and housing, this is about the here and now and not the winter.

Meanwhile, in rudderless Britain, the chaos increases with Avanti West Coast pausing ticket sales and halving services!
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UK’s west coast mainline axes almost half rail services

Avanti angers unions by blaming ‘unofficial strike action’ for its cutting London trains to northern cities from 7 to 4 per hour

Passengers on one of the UK’s busiest inter-city rail routes face a prolonged period of disruption after the operator of the west coast mainline sharply reduced services, blaming “severe” staff shortages.

Avanti West Coast, which runs services from London to cities in the north of England and Scotland, said on Monday it would implement an emergency timetable from August 14 until “further notice.” It also announced it was temporarily suspending the sale of all tickets.

It will cut services to four trains per hour from London to cities including Birmingham, Glasgow, Liverpool and Manchester. The company normally operates seven an hour from London, including three to Manchester.
https://www.ft.com/content/2ea3c2f3-...d-057e3e5aa717

jfman 08-08-2022 21:55
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36130610)
For lower income families facing significant price hikes in food as well as fuel and housing, this is about the here and now and not the winter.
For a man who spent much of the last two years feigning interest in the retail and hospitality sectors I’m curious that he doesn’t think discretionary spending by millions of households collapsing is worthy of intervention. Entrepreneurial spirit won’t pay the bills for businesses running on fumes.

Sephiroth 08-08-2022 22:56
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36130604)
Always nice to get your take on things!

Grim by name, grim by nature. :D
I couldn't resist it OB - but I don't mean it.

Old by name, Boy by nature.

OLD BOY 08-08-2022 23:20
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What a sad lot you are! :shocked:

Sephiroth 08-08-2022 23:38
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36130615)
What a sad lot you are! :shocked:
... but not deluded. Truss is a bag of wind. No substance in her so-called programme. Tuppence from the NI relief; tuppence from the %% on energy Vat (did she even offer that?). Nothing worthwhile about the illegal migrants.

I'm going to one of her local bashes in my area on Thursday. I hope to have the chance to challenge her.

as for Sunak - a good performer; skilful with words but no imagination. Doesn't feel what we feel.

Both are leading members of the failed government who would offer ministerial posts to their respective nodding dogs, also members of the failed government.

I am in political despair.

GrimUpNorth 08-08-2022 23:52
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36130616)
... but not deluded. Truss is a bag of wind. No substance in her so-called programme. Tuppence from the NI relief; tuppence from the %% on energy Vat (did she even offer that?). Nothing worthwhile about the illegal migrants.

I'm going to one of her local bashes in my area on Thursday. I hope to have the chance to challenge her.

as for Sunak - a good performer; skilful with words but no imagination. Doesn't feel what we feel.

Both are leading members of the failed government who would offer ministerial posts to their respective nodding dogs, also members of the failed government.

I am in political despair.
I think a good chunk of the country agrees with you regardless of their political persuasion.

jfman 08-08-2022 23:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36130615)
What a sad lot you are! :shocked:
At least we’ve educated you in the process and you now at least acknowledge it’s a wilful decision of this Government to abdicate itself of its responsibilities to the economy and citizens. If we end up in the deepest and/or longest recession among comparable countries it’s because Nero fiddled while Rome burns.

Nothing to do with recess.

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I think a good chunk of the country agrees with you regardless of their political persuasion.
OB’s certainly a man on a mission. There’s maybe one candidate for agreeing with them if they’re bored and pissed, but that’s it.

1andrew1 09-08-2022 00:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36130616)
... but not deluded. Truss is a bag of wind. No substance in her so-called programme. Tuppence from the NI relief; tuppence from the %% on energy Vat (did she even offer that?). Nothing worthwhile about the illegal migrants.

I'm going to one of her local bashes in my area on Thursday. I hope to have the chance to challenge her.

as for Sunak - a good performer; skilful with words but no imagination. Doesn't feel what we feel.

Both are leading members of the failed government who would offer ministerial posts to their respective nodding dogs, also members of the failed government.

I am in political despair.
Truss borrows from the Johnson play book. Will just say she has been misinterpreted by the media as she wriggles from one position to the next.

The Conservative Party is looking very tired at the moment. They would be better off calling a general election, let the Opposition be tarnished with the recession, regroup, find new talent and then return in five years' time.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36130618)
OB’s certainly a man on a mission. There’s maybe one candidate for agreeing with them if they’re bored and pissed, but that’s it.
Old Boy needs to attend Truss's Berkshire bash on Thursday where Seph will help lift the scales from his eyes.

denphone 09-08-2022 05:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36130588)
I don't understand why you took this one on, OB.

The situation is too serious for the Guvmin to be on holiday.
My thoughts entirely.

Maggy 09-08-2022 07:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36130625)
My thoughts entirely.
:tu:

papa smurf 09-08-2022 07:34
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I think they have got the message at conservative HQ they know that a few people won't be able to heat their pool this winter, but if Rishi gets the job funds will be levelled up so that pools can be heated and Ferrari's filled up, they just need to work out how to steal the water from north of Watford.

tweetiepooh 09-08-2022 09:58
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I don't believe Rishi's comment about diverting funds is meant to be taken as removing from the poor to the rich but ensuring that funds are not just target at urban areas when there is also poverty in many rural communities.

1andrew1 09-08-2022 10:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36130643)
I don't believe Rishi's comment about diverting funds is meant to be taken as removing from the poor to the rich but ensuring that funds are not just target at urban areas when there is also poverty in many rural communities.
I can understand why Sunak's bragging makes uncomfortable viewing for any Conservative voters with a social conscience but alas it's true.

See these articles, for example:

Quote:
Government funding for 'left behind' towns being spent in wealthier Tory marginals, analysis reveals
More than half of towns set to benefit from £3.6bn fund are held by Tory MPs, despite vast majority of poorest areas being in Labour constituencies
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9201141.html

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£3.6bn struggling English towns fund 'not impartial', say MPs

The government's process for choosing towns in England to benefit from a £3.6bn fund was "not impartial" a group of MPs have said.

The scheme was originally launched in 2019 to boost struggling towns.

But the Commons spending watchdog warned that a "lack of transparency" over how money has been awarded could "fuel accusations of political bias".

As part of the selection process, ministers picked towns from a pool of 541 places which had been ranked by officials based on local need and growth potential.

Ministers chose all 40 "high-priority" towns, then selected a further 60 places from the low and medium priority categories.

Twelve low-priority areas were selected over medium-priority towns including one town ranked 536th out of 541, the committee noted.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54894221

jfman 09-08-2022 11:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36130631)
I think they have got the message at conservative HQ they know that a few people won't be able to heat their pool this winter, but if Rishi gets the job funds will be levelled up so that pools can be heated and Ferrari's filled up, they just need to work out how to steal the water from north of Watford.
Of all your posts I believe this one to be by far the most grounded in reality.

Sephiroth 10-08-2022 17:08
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I'm now in the "none of the above" camp, even if it means letting Sunak in by the back door.

Truss looks incapable of delivering anything, is weasel wording her intentions etc.

Sunak doesn't deserve my vote because he doesn't even know how to fill a car with fuel (well he may now). Sunak has no deep connection with this country. But, he will be more credible on the world stage and he will be forced to provide meaningful help to people.

Not to mention the nodding dogs.

TheDaddy 10-08-2022 18:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36130836)
I'm now in the "none of the above" camp, even if it means letting Sunak in by the back door.

Truss looks incapable of delivering anything, is weasel wording her intentions etc.

Sunak doesn't deserve my vote because he doesn't even know how to fill a car with fuel (well he may now). Sunak has no deep connection with this country. But, he will be more credible on the world stage and he will be forced to provide meaningful help to people.

Not to mention the nodding dogs.
He might not know how to fill it up but she is a car crash, blunder truss

Mr K 14-08-2022 20:12
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Bozzas disappeared on another foreign holiday.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2144801.html

Tbf its only been a week since his last one...

How much Annual Leave do you get as PM? Someone should definitely check his leave slip.

TheDaddy 14-08-2022 20:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36131276)
Bozzas disappeared on another foreign holiday.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2144801.html

Tbf its only been a week since his last one...

How much Annual Leave do you get as PM? Someone should definitely check his leave slip.
He's working in his constituency :rolleyes:

Oh and I hope he's paying for this one, unlike some of the others

1andrew1 14-08-2022 21:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36131276)
Bozzas disappeared on another foreign holiday.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2144801.html

Tbf its only been a week since his last one...

How much Annual Leave do you get as PM? Someone should definitely check his leave slip.
Also check his declaration to see which Tory funder paid for it.

mrmistoffelees 15-08-2022 13:44
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Apparently Boris is getting heckled and booed by British holidaymakers in Greece

Italian TV reported to have shown a British man shouting ‘get back to work you fat ponce’

Pierre 15-08-2022 14:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36131316)
Apparently Boris is getting heckled and booed by British holidaymakers in Greece

Italian TV reported to have shown a British man shouting ‘get back to work you fat ponce’
A bit rich from a bloke also not at work!

OLD BOY 15-08-2022 14:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36130836)
I'm now in the "none of the above" camp, even if it means letting Sunak in by the back door.

Truss looks incapable of delivering anything, is weasel wording her intentions etc.

Sunak doesn't deserve my vote because he doesn't even know how to fill a car with fuel (well he may now). Sunak has no deep connection with this country. But, he will be more credible on the world stage and he will be forced to provide meaningful help to people.

Not to mention the nodding dogs.
I hope for all our sakes you are wrong, Seph.

I think Truss has a lot of answers that I agree with. However, I have no idea whether she has it in her to actually see them through.

She is the better candidate, definitely. I think we should give her a chance to see what she’s made of.

MPs have already started deserting Rishi for Liz, so they must see something that gives them confidence.

TheDaddy 15-08-2022 14:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36131324)

MPs have already started deserting Rishi for Liz, so they must see something that gives them confidence.
Make a sentence, sinking, rats, a, ship, leaving

and there you have it, what they see is opportunism, a chance to boost their careers by being on the winning side, bit like old blunder woman herself actually

1andrew1 15-08-2022 14:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36130836)
I'm now in the "none of the above" camp, even if it means letting Sunak in by the back door.

Truss looks incapable of delivering anything, is weasel wording her intentions etc.

Sunak doesn't deserve my vote because he doesn't even know how to fill a car with fuel (well he may now). Sunak has no deep connection with this country. But, he will be more credible on the world stage and he will be forced to provide meaningful help to people.

Not to mention the nodding dogs.
i think you're being a bit unfair, Seph. According to polling, she's capable of delivering a Labour victory at the next election. :D

Hugh 15-08-2022 16:59
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https://twitter.com/pippacrerar/stat...-g5CvjVFnu95cg

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1660579109

Paul 15-08-2022 18:14
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Not sure what point you are making, why would he not be able to take items he owns ?

Sephiroth 15-08-2022 19:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36131324)
I hope for all our sakes you are wrong, Seph.

I think Truss has a lot of answers that I agree with. However, I have no idea whether she has it in her to actually see them through.

She is the better candidate, definitely. I think we should give her a chance to see what she’s made of.

MPs have already started deserting Rishi for Liz, so they must see something that gives them confidence.
She may be the better candidate but is still not what I think most Conservatives are looking for.

You ask her a question about what she's doing to help people through the crisis; she trots out the tuppence worth of help she's offering "from day 1". When asked whether or not shell remove the 5% VAT on energy, she pleads that she shouldn't pre-judge the budget. The lying woman knows that her offer "doesn't touch the sides" of the problem (Sunak's words) but she's so desperate to be PM that she doesn't care that her offer is valueless - she knows it's valueless.

We can see what she's made of.

OLD BOY 15-08-2022 20:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36131328)
Make a sentence, sinking, rats, a, ship, leaving

and there you have it, what they see is opportunism, a chance to boost their careers by being on the winning side, bit like old blunder woman herself actually
Such a cynic…:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36131329)
i think you're being a bit unfair, Seph. According to polling, she's capable of delivering a Labour victory at the next election. :D
How could anyone, seriously, think that Starmer would make a better PM?

Come on, this isn’t the jokes thread!

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36131362)
She may be the better candidate but is still not what I think most Conservatives are looking for.

You ask her a question about what she's doing to help people through the crisis; she trots out the tuppence worth of help she's offering "from day 1". When asked whether or not shell remove the 5% VAT on energy, she pleads that she shouldn't pre-judge the budget. The lying woman knows that her offer "doesn't touch the sides" of the problem (Sunak's words) but she's so desperate to be PM that she doesn't care that her offer is valueless - she knows it's valueless.

We can see what she's made of.
You’re wrong on that. It is a general principle that you don’t talk about what is in the budget in advance because people take advantage of that knowledge. She is simply sticking to that principle.

The Civil Servants have been instructed to work up options to deal with this energy bill crisis and when she is in office, she will review that and make a decision.

You should at least give her a chance, Seph. You are getting as cynical and downbeat as the socialist-minded posters on here! Please don’t encourage them, it is extremely depressing to hear all this negative nonsense.

Hugh 15-08-2022 20:30
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A new dictionary definition - anyone who doesn’t totally agree with OB’s blindly sycophantic views is "cynical and downbeat" and/or "socialist-minded" or "negative"…

1andrew1 15-08-2022 21:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36131377)

How could anyone, seriously, think that Starmer would make a better PM?

Come on, this isn’t the jokes thread!
Your first sentence contradicts the second!

She will make Johnson look like he was a successful Prime Minister! :D

Sephiroth 15-08-2022 21:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36131377)
Such a cynic…:rolleyes:

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How could anyone, seriously, think that Starmer would make a better PM?

Come on, this isn’t the jokes thread!

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You’re wrong on that. It is a general principle that you don’t talk about what is in the budget in advance because people take advantage of that knowledge. She is simply sticking to that principle.

The Civil Servants have been instructed to work up options to deal with this energy bill crisis and when she is in office, she will review that and make a decision.

You should at least give her a chance, Seph. You are getting as cynical and downbeat as the socialist-minded posters on here! Please don’t encourage them, it is extremely depressing to hear all this negative nonsense.
I saw Hugh jumping on you for your observation! I can see where you are coming from in relation to my assessment - but "give her a chance" to do what? She's offered nothing substantial but just repeats what she's said before.

The nodding dogs ensured that fresh blood would not be in the last two and I'm worried that the same ministerial failures, or at least half of them, her patrons, will find themselves ruining the country again.

1andrew1 15-08-2022 21:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36131377)
...it is extremely depressing to hear all this negative nonsense.
Methinks you're getting a bit snow flaky here, Old Boy. Some random comments about Johnson can't be classified as extremely depressing. :D

TheDaddy 16-08-2022 02:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36131377)

How could anyone, seriously, think that Starmer would make a better PM?
Anyone that's seen her in action can tell blunder woman's completely out of her depth in pretty much any situation, a mixture of volcanic gloop and ear wax would be a better candidate for pm than her

Dude111 16-08-2022 03:54
Who exactly is this Boris??

Hehe on another site im on some chap is cutting him down big time,saying god aweful things!!

Is this guy that bad??

Mr K 16-08-2022 08:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 36131410)
Who exactly is this Boris??

Hehe on another site im on some chap is cutting him down big time,saying god aweful things!!

Is this guy that bad??
Yes.

He will happily sacrifice 66 million peoples, by perpetually lying, saying anything anyone wants to hear, whilst not believing in anything himself. His private life is much the same. He's already been sacked many times from other jobs for lying and gone through several marriages/affairs/relationships and has lost count of the number of resulting offspring.

Anyone that voted for him knew all this but still did so, as he has 'charisma' and is a bit of a laugh, so they can only blame themselves. The country is now in a worse state than any other comparable European nation.

All so he can have a bit of a jolly. On to the next wheeze which I believe is sponging free accommodation off Tory donors, whilst completing his book on Shakespeare that no one will read. Time for a new bit of skirt as well I should think.

(Does he remind you of a certain ex-US president Dude? ;) )

OLD BOY 16-08-2022 08:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36131380)
A new dictionary definition - anyone who doesn’t totally agree with OB’s blindly sycophantic views is "cynical and downbeat" and/or "socialist-minded" or "negative"…
Of course, the end of the world is nigh...all is lost...surrender all hope all ye who live in the UK...

Does anyone have anything positive to say on here? All I hear is whingeing and moaning. I don't hear much about any positive solutions to the issues we face, though.

Even when we do hear someting about possible change, it ignores the fact that such policies have failed in the past (eg nationalisation of industry, rejoining the Common Market, etc). Nothing new. Nothing positive.

I think Liz will surprise everyone . Conservative leaning posters on here should support her. Everyone else can dream of Starmer, Corbyn, Rayner...whoever floats (or sinks) their boat.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36131386)
I saw Hugh jumping on you for your observation! I can see where you are coming from in relation to my assessment - but "give her a chance" to do what? She's offered nothing substantial but just repeats what she's said before.

The nodding dogs ensured that fresh blood would not be in the last two and I'm worried that the same ministerial failures, or at least half of them, her patrons, will find themselves ruining the country again.
Give her a chance to implement the manifesto, Seph. Agreed that's not new, but that's what people voted for. That is her commitment. There's only so many 'new' ways of saying that.

Hugh 16-08-2022 10:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36131422)
Of course, the end of the world is nigh...all is lost...surrender all hope all ye who live in the UK...

Does anyone have anything positive to say on here? All I hear is whingeing and moaning. I don't hear much about any positive solutions to the issues we face, though.

Even when we do hear someting about possible change, it ignores the fact that such policies have failed in the past (eg nationalisation of industry, rejoining the Common Market, etc). Nothing new. Nothing positive.

I think Liz will surprise everyone . Conservative leaning posters on here should support her. Everyone else can dream of Starmer, Corbyn, Rayner...whoever floats (or sinks) their boat.

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Give her a chance to implement the manifesto, Seph. Agreed that's not new, but that's what people voted for. That is her commitment. There's only so many 'new' ways of saying that.
No one has said that - except you with your standard straw-man argument…

OLD BOY 16-08-2022 11:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36131432)
No one has said that - except you with your standard straw-man argument…
But you’d think so, given what people are saying.

ianch99 16-08-2022 12:07
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One thing that is surprising is that Johnson is being allowed to trash even further the Tory brand. He seems to be actively hammering the final nails in the Tory electoral coffin. Add the two wannabe PM's pandering to the prejudices of the Conservative membership instead of focusing on the structural issues that they need to address (when PM), I think seals the deal.

1andrew1 16-08-2022 13:59
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Anyone still wondering about Truss's performance should look no further than her much trumpeted trade deals with Australia and New Zealand. She's happy to let the country suffer so she can boast about signing a trade deal. Anyone concerned about the UK's reducing food production should look away now.
Quote:
It [Freedom of Information request] shows that:

— Officials advised Truss an Australia deal would spark a 3.44 percent shift in employment away from the semi-processed foods sector over 15 years, making it the hardest-hit part of the U.K. economy in employment terms.

— At the same time, the department projected a 0.46 percent drop in the value of that sector to the U.K. economy under the Australia deal.

— For the New Zealand pact, Truss was warned to expect a 2.69 percent shift in employment away from semi-processed foods to other sectors, and a 2.97 percent hit to its economic value.

— Agriculture, forestry and fishing were also set to take a hit, the analysis showed. The department projected a 0.69 percent long-term shift in jobs away from agriculture, forestry and fishing under the Australia pact, and a 0.16 percent dip to the sector's value over the same span.

— For the New Zealand pact, Truss was advised agriculture, forestry and fishing would see a 0.60 percent shift in employment away from the sector, and a 0.85 percent blow to its gross value.

The projections were made under the department's "Scenario 2," an outcome that most closely resembles the final deals struck with each nation.
https://www.politico.eu/article/liz-...nd-trade-deal/

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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36131436)
But you’d think so, given what people are saying.
People critically scrutinising candidates is not anywhere like saying the end of the world is nigh. Many of us have evaluated Johnson's likely successors and found them wanting. We've been similarly critical of Starmer and his policy-lite approach even though he won't be the next PM.

BenMcr 16-08-2022 14:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36131438)
Anyone still wondering about Truss's performance should look no further than her much trumpeted trade deals with Australia and New Zealand. She's happy to let the country suffer so she can boast about signing a trade deal. Anyone concerned about the UK's reducing food production should look away now.
Even the New Zealand news programs are reporting that it's a weird deal

https://twitter.com/bmay/status/1550424899268886531

1andrew1 16-08-2022 14:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 36131440)
Even the New Zealand news programs are reporting that it's a weird deal

https://twitter.com/bmay/status/1550424899268886531
She just comes across as another Johnson - putting her career before her country's good.

Mr K 16-08-2022 16:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36131442)
She just comes across as another Johnson - putting her career before her country's good.
Yes but she tries to impersonate and dress like Thatcher so that's all good for the Tory faithful. Turns them on big time !
MOD EDIT - excessively sized image removed

Sephiroth 16-08-2022 19:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36131422)
<SNIP>

Give her a chance to implement the manifesto, Seph. Agreed that's not new, but that's what people voted for. That is her commitment. There's only so many 'new' ways of saying that.

There's a lot of it, OB, including the promised 40 new hospitals!

https://www.conservatives.com/our-pl...manifesto-2019

richard-john56 16-08-2022 19:26
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Liz Thatcher Trust - The Lady is not for turning - I think she has loads of times.

I see the short lived future pair running for PM are in Perth, Scotland and are getting a warm welcome not !

Hugh 16-08-2022 19:33
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I hope next year’s Tory Leadership contest doesn’t take as long as this one…

Damien 16-08-2022 19:43
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...droidApp_Other

Quote:
Liz Truss, now the Tory leadership frontrunner, launched an astonishing broadside against British workers, saying they needed “more graft” and suggesting they lacked the “skill and application” of foreign rivals, the Guardian can reveal.

In a leaked recording, the then No 2 at the Treasury also risked pitting Londoners against the rest of the country by attempting to explain the difference between the capital and other regions in the UK.
Quote:
In the leaked recording, Truss began: “I once wrote a book about this which got mischaracterised – British workers produce less per hour than … and that’s a combination of kind of skill and application.”

She went on: “If you look at productivity, it’s very, very different in London from the rest of the country. But basically … this has been a historical fact for decades. Essentially it’s partly a mindset and attitude thing, I think. It’s working culture, basically. If you go to China it’s quite different, I can assure you.”

The minister, who had close oversight of public spending, added: “There’s a fundamental issue of British working culture. Essentially, if we’re going to be a richer country and a more prosperous country, that needs to change. But I don’t think people are that keen to change that.

“There’s a slight thing in Britain about wanting the easy answers. That’s my reflection on the election and what’s gone before it, and the referendum – we say it’s all Europe that’s causing these huge problems … it’s all these migrants causing these problems. But actually what needs to happen is more … more graft. It’s not a popular message.”
She keeps London out of her accusation so, as a Londoner, what's wrong with the rest of you? :D

OLD BOY 16-08-2022 19:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36131438)
Anyone still wondering about Truss's performance should look no further than her much trumpeted trade deals with Australia and New Zealand. She's happy to let the country suffer so she can boast about signing a trade deal. Anyone concerned about the UK's reducing food production should look away now.

https://www.politico.eu/article/liz-...nd-trade-deal/

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There are advantages and disadvantages in any trade deal, but overall any trade deal must work for us. The relatively small downsides in these two deals are outweighed by the real objectives of these trade deals - ie the £9 trillion Trans Pacific bloc.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36131438)

People critically scrutinising candidates is not anywhere like saying the end of the world is nigh. Many of us have evaluated Johnson's likely successors and found them wanting. We've been similarly critical of Starmer and his policy-lite approach even though he won't be the next PM.
I was referring to the general tone of many posts on here from your good self and others, Andrew. I am not impressed by the practice of extracting all the negative reports from the media and promoting them as if all the news was bad. Just as in your email above, you highlighted those relatively minor points without recognising the overarching objective, which will be very positive indeed for the UK.

1andrew1 16-08-2022 20:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36131470)
There are advantages and disadvantages in any trade deal, but overall any trade deal must work for us. The relatively small downsides in these two deals are outweighed by the real objectives of these trade deals - ie the £9 trillion Trans Pacific bloc.
Why do we need to negotiate a bad deal with Oz/NZ to get a trade deal with that bloc? Surely it sends out the wrong message?

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36131470)
I was referring to the general tone of many posts on here from your good self and others, Andrew. I am not impressed by the practice of extracting all the negative reports from the media and promoting them as if all the news was bad. Just as in your email above, you highlighted those relatively minor points without recognising the overarching objective, which will be very positive indeed for the UK.
It's a tough time for many people in the country, Old Boy. To pretend otherwise is delusional.

Dude111 16-08-2022 22:24
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Originally posted by Mr K
He will happily sacrifice 66 million peoples, by perpetually lying, saying anything anyone wants to hear, whilst not believing in anything himself. His private life is much the same. He's already been sacked many times from other jobs for lying and gone through several marriages/affairs/relationships and has lost count of the number of resulting offspring.

Anyone that voted for him knew all this but still did so

(Does he remind you of a certain ex-US president Dude? ;)
Yes I suppose he does!!

I wonder if this guy really won or the election was stolen to get him in like they did with Biden...

1andrew1 16-08-2022 22:42
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Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 36131482)
Yes I suppose he does!!

I wonder if this guy really won or the election was stolen to get him in like they did with Biden...
Johnson like Biden won the election fair and square. In both cases, remarkably, they were up against worse opponents.

OLD BOY 16-08-2022 23:57
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36131474)
It's a tough time for many people in the country, Old Boy. To pretend otherwise is delusional.
I didn’t claim otherwise.

Dave42 17-08-2022 00:02
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36131468)
I hope next year’s Tory Leadership contest doesn’t take as long as this one…
no doubt at all they be another next year after the carnage comes with Truss tories will boot her out before next election IMHO

1andrew1 17-08-2022 09:00
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36131492)
I didn’t claim otherwise.
You've said as much by suggesting that people on here hunt out negative news and promote it. The reality is different - the country is going through a tough time so there will be a lot of negative news around to discuss. Even today the news is about double digit inflation, the last time we had that was back in 1982. Your fellow Conservatives have said that you need to be more critical of the PM candidates.

You'll find that where there is good news like the new Covid vaccine approval, people will generally be discussing it positively.

If our politicians are perceived to be lacking, lazy or misleading the public then expect them to be called to account. And expect those in power making and implementing policy to be given more scrutiny. This is not North Korea and it is right we hold our government to high standards. With power comes responsibility to deliver.

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no doubt at all they be another next year after the carnage comes with Truss tories will boot her out before next election IMHO
I predict she'll get through the full term.

I think what she's said and what she'll do may end up being a little different and she will edge us marginally closer to Europe (eg common veterinary standards, easier for some sectors to recruit from Europe) as this is a relatively painless way of taking some of the inflation out of the system.

jfman 17-08-2022 09:45
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The truth coming out now.

Work harder, for longer, for less.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62571016

Remember it was the high skill, high wage economy :rofl:

Mr K 17-08-2022 09:48
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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36131494)
no doubt at all they be another next year after the carnage comes with Truss tories will boot her out before next election IMHO
I think you could well be right. She's already made a hash of the job before starting by accusing British workers of being work shy fobs and flip flopping on regional pay. What will she be like when she actually has the job and can wreak real damage.

daveeb 17-08-2022 10:38
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36131507)
I think you could well be right. She's already made a hash of the job before starting by accusing British workers of being work shy fobs and flip flopping on regional pay. What will she be like when she actually has the job and can wreak real damage.
Yes didn't seem to be the best idea to insult the majority of the British workforce when you're looking for public support. We should all be like the London workforce apparently and get off our lazy arses :rolleyes:

GrimUpNorth 17-08-2022 10:45
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Originally Posted by daveeb (Post 36131510)
Yes didn't seem to be the best idea to insult the majority of the British workforce when you're looking for public support. We should all be like the London workforce apparently and get off our lazy arses :rolleyes:
Another thing that should make her your favourite is she went to Rounday School, but as she said a few weeks ago she's got to where she is despite her education not because of it.

1andrew1 17-08-2022 11:08
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36131506)
The truth coming out now.

Work harder, for longer, for less.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62571016

Remember it was the high skill, high wage economy :rofl:
Putting my Old Boy cap on here, I did manage to find a positive in her statement - she did say the UK's low productivity was not the fault of the EU or immigrants. "We say it's all Europe that's causing all these problems, it's all, it's migrants that's causing these problems but actually, what needs to happen is, you know, a bit more... a bit more graft (she laughs). It's not a popular message."

daveeb 17-08-2022 11:50
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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36131511)
Another thing that should make her your favourite is she went to Rounday School, but as she said a few weeks ago she's got to where she is despite her education not because of it.
Makes me proud :D although I'm no more Yorkshire born and bred than she is. Roundhay school is actually a good school, makes you wonder how she got in at Oxford University despite being held back by such shoddy teaching.

jfman 17-08-2022 12:33
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36131512)
Putting my Old Boy cap on here, I did manage to find a positive in her statement - she did say the UK's low productivity was not the fault of the EU or immigrants. "We say it's all Europe that's causing all these problems, it's all, it's migrants that's causing these problems but actually, what needs to happen is, you know, a bit more... a bit more graft (she laughs). It's not a popular message."
Essentially the Tories hate the British people even more than anyone you will find in Brussels. Merely a resource from which to extract as much wealth as possible, and to toss onto the scrapheap once done. But they deploy the dog whistles effectively so people blame others rather than what’s staring them in the face.

1andrew1 17-08-2022 12:45
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Speaking in defence of Truss, I wonder what gave her the impression that Brits need to work a bit harder? :D

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...9&d=1660736575

Mr K 17-08-2022 13:33
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36131522)
Speaking in defence of Truss, I wonder what gave her the impression that Brits need to work a bit harder? :D

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...9&d=1660736575
Now mow Andrew, he wasn't "sleeping from home" and that's the main thing. Probably having nice dreams about his Shell shares...
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1andrew1 17-08-2022 13:53
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36131523)
Now now Andrew, he wasn't "sleeping from home" and that's the main thing. Probably having nice dreams about his Shell shares...
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You are J R-M and I claim my ten quid! :D

jfman 17-08-2022 18:10
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Where’s OB to condemn Liz Truss for talking down our great nation :rofl:

peanut 17-08-2022 19:03
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36131532)
Where’s OB to condemn Liz Truss for talking down our great nation :rofl:
It's too late. He's fixated. She can no longer do anything wrong.

Mad Max 17-08-2022 19:44
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36131522)
Speaking in defence of Truss, I wonder what gave her the impression that Brits need to work a bit harder? :D

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...9&d=1660736575
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1andrew1 17-08-2022 19:54
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36131532)
Where’s OB to condemn Liz Truss for talking down our great nation :rofl:
Auto OB "Her remarks were taken out of context by the left-wing media." :D

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Photoshopped
Sadly it happened.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/ne...it-debate.html


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