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No one's realistically talking about re-joining the EU in the forseeable future.
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Usual rubbish spouted by new journo . . well he looks about 20 in his pic.
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One is UK government payments to the EU; the other is (alleged to be) the cost to the entire economy from reduced exports. Apples and pears. Makes a good headline though. ---------- Post added at 17:37 ---------- Previous post was at 17:33 ---------- Quote:
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Interesting idea from Macron. To me it makes sense that one size does not fit all, in terms of European co-operation and trade.
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In the middle of the biggest cost-of-living crisis in most people's lifetime, is this purely political decision really wise when businesses in Northern Ireland are not requesting it?
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blah blah . . Nowhere did I mention "the crash in EU exports since the beginning of 2020." Just more people putting their own words somewhere because mine didn't fit their argument. Thankyou :p: |
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If Covid only impacted the UK, then this graph might be less concerning.
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"Should the United Kingdom join the EU or stay out of the EU?"
Join 49% Stay Out 51% Redfield & Wilton May 3 |
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I find that a bit odd. I would have thought that now, once out, there will be quite a few people who voted Remain who don't want to go through the hassle of rejoining.
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The foolishly signed NI Protocol proves the hold that the EU thinks it has over the UK and we should not be bound further to them. |
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Did Steve Baker really say earlier the oven ready deal he loved at the time of signing was done so under duress
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Concerning opinion piece from Adam Posen, president of the Peterson Institute for International Economics and a former member of the Bank of England’s Monetary Policy Committee. Some extracts.
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Yes, "Gravity" still applies. However, it is just an opinion ;) |
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US getting involved now to help resolve Johnson's no-border-in-the-Irish Sea shambles.
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… and the last thing the republic wants is to be saddled with the tantrum-prone money pit that is Northern Ireland. I can see why Varadkar is worried.
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The amendments we are seeking are simply minor adjustments that will make a big difference without undermining the objectives of the protocol. No international laws are under threat. |
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When I said the whole of the UK is suffering for it, I am referencing the dispute's very negative impact on the UK's science sector as we are being excluded from the world's biggest research programme. Quote:
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University research is completely unconnected with the deep sectarian problems that are at the root of the issues HMG has with the NI Protocol. If the EU is making one contingent on the other - or even simply implying a connection - then your uncritical discussion of it is unfortunate to say the least. |
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I’m not sure how sectarianism comes into signing an agreement you’ve no intention of upholding. Unless the Government is once again a victim of circumstance and couldn’t have foreseen what was apparent to everyone else. The inevitability of a nationalist led NI assembly.
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Essentially we have the UK acting as a bad faith actor signing up to a protocol it had no intention of upholding, promising people the magic beans of “technological solutions” only to walk away from the commitments it made to then have the gall to be act completely surprised that others won’t roll over. |
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For all the talk and bluster on this I still don't understand why the answer isn't one of:
We seem to be asking for a version of the third where we're not in a customs union but we say to the EU that really we haven't got different regulatory standards so what's the problem? If we do that then just opt for the full customs union and sort out the problems in Dover as well. |
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The government's National Audit Office delivers its verdict on how the UK regulators are struggling with their increased workloads.
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The NI protocol specifies that GB and NI are in the same customs union. Under WTO rules that means no tariffs and restrictions.
The revised NI protocol is "better" than the previous one, in that at least NI has a opportunity to vote on ending it. Before the EU had to agree to it. So much of the detail was to be left to the Joint Committee, which relies on the EU agreeing to things. That is the real problem. The only reason for any protocol in the first place is because the IRA says so. Would the US be happy with a situation where there were tariffs and restrictions between Hawaii and California, or Texas and New York? |
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There is nothing here that can’t be solved via the development of processes that - astonishingly - work well enough for the other 165 countries of the world. So much of the hand-wringing nonsense we read on here really is afflicted by a weird sort of reverse exceptionalism in which the UK is somehow uniquely incapable of coping with its status as a non-member of the EU, despite this being the normal state of affairs for the vast majority of the planet. |
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BREAKING: UK to Start Legislating Against Brexit Deal Within Three Weeks
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It’s almost like there’s an uncomfortable story we need to displace from the front page of the Mail and Express tomorrow.
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"Get Inflation Done" :) A clear & present Brexit bonus:
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What’s your point, Ian? I imagine that you’re indicating that the UK would be “better off” inside the EU.
That conveniently omits the fact that we are no longer under Brussels’ thumb. With a competent government (and Labour would not be that), all the economic stuff can be put right. But will it? Still no reason to be in the EU. |
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It is delusion that "all the economic stuff can be put right", at least in the next decade. Economic gravity + hard Brexit says otherwise. These are the hard facts and always have been. Ideology won over Economics and Ideology won't keep you warm at night or feed your children. |
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These little digs keep on coming. Corollary to the foregoing is that we shouldn’t have left the EU because of the shortage of butchers and the like.
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He was a small(ish) pig breeder and when they were farrowing used to be up 24/7, I used to spell him occaisionally when I was there but he insisted no longer than an hour, that enabled him to get at least a little shuteye. . That was UK law at the time, check daily on the animals you are breeding to ensure their health and safety (not the eact wording), he had no problem with that, the more piglets that survived, the more profit he made.(for British bacon production.) Other than the 7-14 days they were expected to farrow (give birth) they were free range, most were in and out in less than 10 days. There was a very good reason for it. But that's a different story. At the time I was being trained to be a qualified slaughterman (as well as a master butcher with a family firm). I worked 7 days a week to get my certificate as a slaughterman and more time to become a master butcher. Now a question for you. Why is my exgirlfriend's Father no longer breeding pigs and why I am no longer recognised as a "Master Butcher". I know some Supermarket chains claim to have one but that is BS I could bury everyone of them after all these years and all because of the EEC morphing from an economic Union into a political one. I bet you've never heard of British Bacon because you've only ever seen Danish. Rant over. |
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I try to buy meat from the farmer's market which we used to have the biggest in the UK. But since the council resited it it's been dwindling and cost/effort have meant most meat sellers have now dropped out either just from the market but I know one who is no longer doing retail at all.
It's a shame as quality is usually much better than the major retailers and you can get cuts that the big boys are interested in. Plus you are supporting the producers directly. And I've found prices are often better than the supermarkets for equivalent quality. (And they do sell bacon - nice dry cured, smoked bacon.) |
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Breaking news: Economic growth in the UK will grind to a halt next year with only Russia, hobbled by western sanctions, performing worse among the G20 leading economies, the OECD forecast on Wednesday
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Bacon is one of the fun 'rules of origin' cases where British bacon might not be what it seems. The pork used to make bacon can come from anywhere. Once it is cured, the country of curing is the origin so 'British' bacon might not be made from British pigs.
There has recently been a wave of Swine Fever in Europe so there was a glut of pork on the market as farmers slaughtered their herds before they got infected and respective governments did it for them. If you bacon doesn't specifically say the pork came from British farms, the meat could have come from anywhere.. |
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A sensible comparison would be a graph of the G7 GDP per country from Feb 2020 to Feb 2022.
Predictions for 2023 are obviously just that and I hope they are wrong for the UK. But labour shortages are causing inflation and we are also less self-sufficient in energy than many of our peers so the predictions have a robust basis. |
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