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I'm still trying to figure out what a "Special Envoy on Media Freedom" needs to do other than collect taxpayer funded wages at the end of each month, resign and keep his taxpayer gold plated pension.

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The article explains the role which Amal Clooney used to perform until her resignation. I suspect she's not as bothered about a "taxpayer gold plated pension" as you suggest though. :D

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Yeh, OK then. A non-job!

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Certainly not a position that would cause massive waves by resigning from it . . . but enough of a 'married to a celebrity' status to get media interest for a headline :rolleyes:

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Consultancy for the Liberal Democrat 2024 campaign? If old enough claim "gold plated" pension now and go 'private sector'.

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The resignation I want to hear is the one that includes the words "to spend more time with my families." ;) That would be a chink of hope in a dark year.

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On a related note (tweet)

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I don't think we will see any more resignations for a month or so


Not while they can't go out and celebrate with a slap up meal and piss up :D

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Lol, he's certainly living down to my expectations. :D

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It reminds me of a comment on a RAF Officer’s annual appraisal

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SOPHY RIDGE has questioned Sir Keir Starmer's sudden U-turn from a "passionate" Remainer to a Brexiteer,

Ridge questioned Labour's new slogan urging the Government to "get on with Brexit".


https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...ge-latest-news

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Ha ha. ;)

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We've left the EU and after such a divisive period, no major party's going to the electorate in 2024 on a rejoin mandate. Instead, the debate is on how we can get a good deal that keeps the UK and jobs intact.

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So a complete u turn from sir slimy then.

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It would be a bit bizarre to advocate to advocate to remain in the EU when we've already left.:erm:

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He's even given up the fight to rejoin,i feel he was a Brexiteer all along and just suckered the gullible into voting for him, he's just like jezzer.

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We’re all Brexiteers now.

So if people don’t accept it, they’re traitors, Quislings, and EU lovers - if they do accept it, they’re slimy U-turners?

Sounds legit...

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In which case people like me who have accepted the result but voted Remain were Brexiters all along. :confused:

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when exactly did you accept the result/how many years after the vote?

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Very funny. Since it was announced.

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yea right.

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Irish unification will happen anyway. The increasing Catholic population will see to that.

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An increased Catholic population may not necessarily lead to unification, per below. However, I agree with the argument that one side-effect of Brexit, particularly when badly-managed, could well be the Balkanisaton of the UK.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-43823506

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I would suggest the younger population of Northern Ireland are intelligent, and they are in a unique position to be members/citizens of both the EU and the U.K.

I don’t see why they would jeopardise that.

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You're making the assumption that UK citizenship actually means something, or holds value, for young people in Northern Ireland. I suspect it does not. I suspect it's a lot of union flag waving on another island across the water, and the willingness to disregard the interests of Northern Ireland when it suits the UK.

I also doubt the UK will revoke citizenship. Imagine how furious the genuine unionists would be to be let go. I'd actually pay good money to see that.

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Any "balkanisation" would be a result of devolution.
A key difference is that in geographical terms alone, Scotland, Wales, and NI are heavily dependent on England. There's no getting around that.

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There's plenty of getting around that.

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Well we don’t know, but if I was a young budding professional in Belfast, I would want the opportunity to access the job market in London, Leeds and Glasgow,a head of Paris and Frankfurt.

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Nobody is proposing to remove these rights.

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I thought we were discussing the potential of Irish reunification. If they were o/s the UK, or GB as it would probably be then, they could quite easily lose those rights.

I’m sure that would be heavily underlined should it come to a vote on the matter

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If the British Government wants to tell 900,000 unionists in Northern Ireland that Queen and Country is more than willing to abandon them after marching for 300 years then I genuinely look forward to this message. Hopefully someone gets Arlene Foster's reaction and that of Ian Paisley Jnr when they are told.

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Fair point. I’m sure, if we got there, that Position would be telegraphed......but you’re right.

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If it ends up as England and Wales, would it still be called Great Britain? Genuinely don't know the answer as to what a rump nation could be called.

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How? Hard border and controls with Scotland and Wales. So much still have to be moved from or through England.

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The "rump" is nearer to what Scotland is, than England, whatever way you look at it.

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Scotland would at least know where it was and have control of its destiny. England would still be clutching around trying to find relevance it seems to have lost around 1945.

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Nothing to stop a customs union between Scotand and England-Wales.

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The Kingdom of Great Britain only existed from 1707 until 1801. It was a unitary state created from the permanent joining of two separate states - England and Scotland.

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland came into being in 1801 in a similar way, by the joining of Ireland and Great Britain. Latterly, following partition and a progressive lessening of London’s influence in Irish affairs we find ourselves where we are today, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Without the union between England and Scotland, there is no political entity called Great Britain. A nation state comprising England and Northern Ireland would be the United Kingdom of England and Northern Ireland, if the same naming convention used since the 18th century were followed.

A previous Act of Union, in force from 1536, United England and Wales, but unlike the union with Scotland, Wales’ distinctive legal system was not retained and the new unitary state was not renamed in recognition. From 1536, the nation state called “England” effectively included all the territory of Wales (although the world did not understand nation states in the 16th century in the way we do today).

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Sensible move but they will need to differentiate their policies from the other parties.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...?ocid=msedgntp

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Liberal Democrats are to drop the party’s commitment to UK membership of the EU in a vote at next weekend’s virtual annual conference, The Independent has learnt.

A resolution, agreed by the party’s federal policy committee on the weekend and likely to dismay some activists, does not make rejoining the EU a formal goal.

Instead, the motion commits the party to “keep all options open” for the UK’s future relationship with the 27-nation bloc in the longer term, including the possibility of rejoining “at an appropriate future date to be determined by political circumstances”.


Only took 4 years to recognise the referendum result but that seems the norm.

is hell freezing over a political circumstance.

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Having a policy of not rejoining the EU, doesn't preclude having policies that sign up to absolutely everything but actual membership.

Have they changed their policy of us having ALL the rules and costs forced upon us without having a say in them? So much for the "Democratic" in "Liberal Democratic Party".
Are we really meant to believe they wouldn't open the floodgates with freedom of movement? That's just for starters.

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Good to see a Conservative politician stepping up to put country before Party.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54242235

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LOL

Theresa May, the ex PM that didn't have courage or confidence when in office, now starts squeaking from the corner of the room.

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Even more proof the bill is the right thing to do. Remember she is the one responsible for the whole mess in the first place.
If the EU doesn't agree on the many matters that are part of the NI Protocol, aren't THEY the ones breaking the agreement? There's a lot of "the Joint Committee shall" references in there.

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You're right to call out Theresa May for she invoked Article 50 without a plan. But the rot goes back further. David Cameron called the referendum with no plan if the Brexiters won and with just a simple majority which sets a precedent for future devolution referendums.
There's a process within the Agreements to resolve disagreements without unilaterally crossing out the text afterwards that you decide you don't like afterall.

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She's still on Barnier's team.

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It's possible to be on a team other than Putin's or Barnier's in the Brexit debate.

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well i'm sure you're right but in Putin's EUSSR there is only one side.

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It's NOT a matter of "unilaterally crossing out the text".:rolleyes:
As I have to keep pointing out, there are many NI Protocol matters that are yet to be agreed upon. Mainly of the nature of what IS to be allowed. What on earth is the UK expected to do, in the absence of any agreements? Not send parcels for GB to NI? Supermarkets not able to move goods from GB to NI?
All the bill is about is putting things in place of any ABSENT agreements. I doubt they are going to be that outrageous and objectionable to the EU, but still the EU will object just to be awkward.
Eg if a dangerous wall at risk of collapse needed your neighbours agreement to deal with it, and you were legally obliged to deal with it, but they wouldn't say one way or the other, what should you do? You go ahead and deal with it yourself, taking into account any potential concerns the neighbour might have.

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You mistyped the K.

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You do realise that Putin is trying to weaken the EU, don't you?

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A good move from the country's lawyers. Let's hope Laurel & Hardy aka BoJo & Cummings seize this opportunity to give the EU a free trade deal.
https://www.ft.com/content/fb1a645e-...8-857fac15b2da

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I can't read the article (again) so will have to guess that these " most senior state aid lawyers" are offering their services, now and in the future, for free.

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SCAG.

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The primary block is the EUs insistence on fishing rights. They've said no trade deal without fishing rights. So "state aid" is a bit of a red herring.
Seeing as even in normal times the UK level of state aid is a few times below that of Germany, and then you have to add all the EU contributions to countries(eg 9 billion/year to Poland), the UK isn't exactly heavy on state aid.

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thought that about state aid but it's not the case - apparently we're the largest in Europe.

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Silly question I know, but where did you get your figures?:rolleyes:
Link
2018 EU report
48.6 is just more than a tad greater than 9.2.
Link

We'd still have to stick to WTO state aid rules.

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A good question and where is the evidence/ link ?

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The EU still has their army of 5th columnists helping out over here.

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A very good question.

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My bad eyesight - apologies, you're correct on this point.

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Then why is he supplying them with Gas oil and solid fuel?

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What is your response to Hugh's question?

Russia supplies energy globally, not just to the EU. If Russia doesn't supply it then its thinking is someone else will, so it will earn the $.

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Weakening the EU by providing the fuel to boost it's economy and heat homes power cars trucks and trains, it's a bit of a poor strategy on vlads part.

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They must have heard you!

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...?ocid=msedgntp

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Your solution, presumably, is to become part of the EU as a net beneficiary.

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Separation has consequences.

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An impoverished country is not in control of its destiny. Unless impoverishment is the objective.

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That 'rump nation' is the only one that makes money, so it will still be Great.

What's wrong with Great Royal England? :D

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Except the will of the English people. There will be no customs union with the EU, which Scotland and Wales would expect to be part of if they were to separate from the UK.

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I don't think Wales will separate from England. If NI and Scotland left then it would be England & Wales.

Scotland would initially want some kind of customs union with England & Wales from day one to smoothen independence. Its relationship with the EU would take longer to sort out; perhaps it would join the EU at the same time as England-Wales in say 25+ years' time. Who knows?

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Still, you are assuming that England/Wales would agree to such a union. What would be in it for us?

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Trade is not a zero sum game and a smaller customs union without Scotland might result in our trade deals with third countries* being renegotiated.

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There is no union to be agreed to. Wales is a Pricipality of England at present.

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Bloomberg Brexit
@Brexit
BREAKING: JPMorgan is moving about 200 billion euros ($230 billion) from the U.K. to Frankfurt as a result of Brexit, a shift that will make it one of the largest banks in Germany

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and?

Money moves around every day . . . it's probably not even real money :p:

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However

and

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Nothing to see, please move on everybody! ;)

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Good to see this myth corrected.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...?ocid=msedgntp

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Gove issues urgent Brexit warning as businesses NEED to prepare for no deal -100 days away

MICHAEL GOVE has urged businesses to prepare for the end of the transition period, including a no deal Brexit, during a speech in the House of Commons after releasing the details of a reasonable worst case scenario.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...repare-commons

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Bottom line . . . he's just a bloke that works in retail.

I do admire the way you manage to find non stories though Andrew :D

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So what? It's the fact that the EU hasn't agreed to certain matters, that automatically puts a block on things.

If it didn't, the bill wouldn't be needed as the UK could simply not agree to anything and the UK could simply do what it wants anyway. So either the EU is putting a block on several matters, or we can, within the NI protocol, do what we want without needing this bill. Which is it?:rolleyes:

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I think we can take the word of an organisation that represents NI's leading supermarkets that food deliveries to NI won't be blocked. :rolleyes:
If BoJo can step up and finally unveil his state aid proposals that would help too. ;)

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Supermarket spokesperson . . up there with 2cnd hand car salesmen, estate agents, divorce lawyers . . . and politicians ;)

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The question remains "could the EU block things"? How would the retailers know one way or the other? The EU has yet to agree one way or the other.
"We are continuing to pursue specific solutions", means as yet there are NO agreed solutions. No agreed solution = not allowed. The question would be how far would the EU push, in the event of no agreed solution?
Either we have to ask the EU for permission on various matters, or we can do what we want anyway and the bill isn't actually needed. Which is it?:rolleyes:

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The quote you posted had the following line;

It's not asking what controls need to be in place, that as been agreed, cementing Northern Irelands place in the Single Market. All that is needed are the formal UK documents stating the standards that will be followed.

The 'what' has been agreed and just needs to be formalised, the 'how' has not

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Nothing contradictory about it. An agreement HASN'T yet been made, with little over 3 months to go. No agreed solution = not allowed. EG if you need permission from somebody else to get access to somewhere, and they don't give it, you don't have access. NI is ALSO part of the UK single market.

So what is this "what" that has been agreed? Any "how" is part of the "what", and would still be something we had to ask the EU permission about.
There are no existing EU rules to deal with the situation of movement of goods from GB to NI, other than a hard border and tariffs.

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Looks like there will be a lorry border to enter Kent. Trucks will need a 'Kent Access Permit" permit to enter it and it'll be enforced by a combination of cameras and the police.

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Jon's explanation is pretty clear to be fair - all that's outstanding are the formal UK documents stating the standards that will be followed.

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This is all about goods moved between GB and NI, NOT goods originating in NI.:rolleyes: Goods in GB will NOT be subject to EU rules, hence the issues.
The Joint Committee is due to meet on Mon 28th Sept. The issues I've highlighted, amongst others, have yet to be agreed, hence the Cabinet Office article saying what has yet to be agreed.

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Your first sentence comes across as somewhat confusing as Jon did not mention goods originating in NI. And you've not highlighted any items on Monday's agenda. Is it the Protocol on Sovereign Base Areas in Cyprus? I'm afraid I can't mindread you! :confused:

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It's a list of unresolved matters, which includes "2.2 Protocol on Ireland/Northern Ireland".

He said, "It's not asking what controls need to be in place, that as been agreed, cementing Northern Irelands place in the Single Market. All that is needed are the formal UK documents stating the standards that will be followed.". That only applies to goods originating in NI. The bill is about moving goods from GB to NI.
Link
Moving goods under the Northern Ireland Protocol section two: moving goods from Great Britain to Northern Ireland
So issues not finalised.
What happens to parcels from GB to NI, if the EU doesn't give their permission? If the EU can't block it, then there are no requirements needing to be considered, and everything carries on as now.

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Which of these statements does today's statement come closest to?
a) "There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside" (David Davis).
b) "The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want" (Michael Gove. Did he actually mean "park" not "path"?).
c) "Getting out of the EU can be quick and easy – the UK holds most of the cards" (John Redwood. The cards that BoJo's holding all start with J and none is a jack!)
d) Project Fear.

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Still accepting the result then;)

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Absolutely. Doesn't mean that we can't criticise promises v reality though.

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+1

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Having the checkpoint coming into Kent makes sense though as it prevents the build up being down at the ports and disrupting everyone else. The assumption here would be anyone that enters Kent without permission can be intercepted before they arrive in Dover/Folkstone and steered away rather than blocking anyone at the port.

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Nobody has mentioned unicorns for some time now; Home Bargains are now selling them:

https://www.homebargains.co.uk/produ...n-ride-on.aspx

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I think it's in Kent because Deal is in Kent and someone has a sense of humour. ;)

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I'm intrigued by what the Something might be:
"EU"
"sunny uplands"
"no linear TV"
:D

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How on earth would England be able to stop the flood of arrivals from the newly created 3rd world countries of Wales and Scotland?:D