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So you say not a chance without any back up links, credit to you for the netflix one btw but netflix was never mentioned, yet myself and OB have provided several links from different sources especially Facebook going for premier league rights and you rubbish it.
So tell me which media company do you work for then as you seem to know more than the press etc.
Come on you can tell us are you MR Branston in disguise, we won't tell honest.

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Have you ever tried streamed live football ?

In my experience it's been far more problematic than traditional linear viewing over the likes of satellite and terrestrial.

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Tbh i've never had a issue when i stream NBCsn or ESPN, foxsports however is clunky on roku but fine on pc app, they are trying to fix roku app though.

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Let's see what the experience is like for the big games with millions trying to stream at once.

How about UHD over broadband what speed will that require ?

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Doesn't mean it won't happen, and in any case, there is nothing to stop Amazon from setting up a linear channel if they could not yet resolve the technical problems.

They might go for both options anyway to ensure maximum coverage over the whole country. After all, there are still significant areas of the UK that are not adequately covered or cannot receive the internet at all.

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My goodness so we are now back tracking , streaming will kill traditional linear broadcasts your words not mine however now you've changed to the all singing dancing streaming providers going with linear over satellite.

Come on OB make your mind up

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l have explained very succinctly before to you OB but alas your stance is very much akin to a stubborn Alabama tick despite all the clear signs before you..

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l have posted several clear links that clearly tell one that the Streaming giants will not enter the Premier league rights market but its okay Sir as the clear proof will come soon enough early next year for you both when Sky and BT win the rights again.;)

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Its alright MM as l am sure they will come up with a answer for you soon enough.:)

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A politician often changes its mind to suit its own agenda.;)

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Don't worry as another U turn will come soon enough.;)

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Maybe, OB views you as a Luddite? ;)


Personally, i think they will run side by side by side for a good while longer. But eventually, most things will be streamed. the day that will happen is anyones guess. But to deny that streaming services seem to be growing in number and content, seems crazy to me.

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Man utd v man city was flawless as was liverpool v everton, i can understand where you're coming from though but i think it'll be fine.
UHD is another matter though.

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Not sure what he views me as but its likely to be something akin to a old fossil or dinosaur.:D

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I said it would be five years or so before linear channels would start to die off. In the meantime, the broadband revolution needs to extend to the rest of the country.

No contradiction there, muppetman.

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I have said several times i believe a streaming company will get a highlights pack.
Streaming is the future but linear certainly isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

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l have never denied that Streaming services ain't growing PB but my view on the Premier league and many other big UK sports rights have been pretty consistent and indicate that l believe that there is very little chance of the streaming giants ever bidding in the UK premier league rights market for the reasons l have explained quite succinctly before on this thread.

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Totally agree but let's not forget streaming On Demand titles is far easier and less complex than streaming live events to millions of people.

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At the moment, that's true. But I am fully confident that in a few years time, streaming technology will have improved so much that it will be a none issue

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It already has NBCsports, Espn, wwe network etc are prime examples of how far streaming live sports/events has come.
In uk we have more evidence of this with the superb BTsport app, eurosport and nowtv i would of included skygo but it's no secret what i think of that lol.

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Good to know. Are they HD streams? I gather HD, for many people, is a must for sports fans.

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The ATP also run a great live streaming service for tennis which also includes full On Demand access to full matches, even historic matches.

https://www.tennistv.com

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the NBA offering 'League Pass', of which I am a subscriber, is also very good

all games, live and on demand, historic games, etc

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Yeah nbcsports, espn and foxsports all full hd 1080p uses around 10mbs on my connection.
I think nowtv is 720p though not sure about eurosport, bt is hd.

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Yeah, so succinct, nobody can find it.:D

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[QUOTE=theone2k10;35928564]I have said several times i believe a streaming company will get a highlights pack.
Streaming is the future but linear certainly isn't going anywhere anytime soon.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. But in 20 years or so, when habits have changed and the diehards begin to sit up, and fast broadband speeds are available throughout the UK, it will be a completely different picture.

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Agreed. But in 20 years or so, when habits have changed and the diehards begin to sit up, and fast broadband speeds are available throughout the UK, it will be a completely different picture.

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I've used BT Sport , Now TV , Sky Go , NFL Network , TV Anywhere , NHL and all have fallen over at some point and usually at times of high demand.

Many of them offer so called HD Picture quality but in my experience this is some way short of that of the HD linear channel.

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Then as Confucius says you must look harder.;)

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Better to be a realistic diehard rather then being unrealistic.

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Or you could simply tell us...

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Its alright OB will sort it all out for you MM.

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I have not used as extensively as you, but I have found the same thing. I have to say Netflix has been faultless, others you mention have not been so good and fallen over during high demand.

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Those interested in the impact of streaming services on linear television might be interested in 'Thinking Outside The Boxset':

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09hw2w6

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Red Bull TV' is now available as an app on Sky Q.

Credit to omnidirectional on dspy for the info.

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That sounds absolutely awful mate hahha

i hate everything about redbull even the drink! give me a monster every day!

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It's not the best channel lol, i have it on my ROKU and have never watched it.

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I've used BT Sport, Now TV and NFL Gamepass amongst those, in the past Now TV and NFL Gamepass have had their issues but I've never received anything but a perfect service from BT Sports online player.
I haven't had any errors from any of my sports streaming services for a few months (even at high demand times) and to their credit the NFL gave me a 20% refund on my season pass when earlier in the year their recently outsourced service didn't work one Sunday (its been perfect since) and Now TV have given me 3 months free Sky Sports for helping them identify a glitch in their sports service.
I would admit none of those 3 are as good as broadcast HD but are a damn sight better than broadcast SD, if I were to rank them on picture quality the NFL service would be first and the closest to broadcast HD, BT sports second (hampered by its lowish bitrate) and Now TV 3rd (hampered by its 25 fps framerate).

I realise how good sports streaming services can be by being fortunate enough to use some services from the USA, despite having to counteract geo-restrictions when I use these I get a service without faults and with a picture quality on a par with UK broadcast HD if not better on some occasions (ESPN at 12500 kpbs is most definitely better than I've seen from a UK sports broadcaster).

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TV Player is now offering a cloud recording service.

http://www.a516digital.com/2017/12/t...recording.html

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TVplayer certainly aren't messing around.

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Could have sworn that this was on VM, but couldn't see it after checking :confused:

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I'd be tempted to subscribe to TV Player but unless they can offer a reliable HD service I'm afraid its still not for me

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Yes, and added to that, 150 hours of recordings aren't much. They don't say for how long they will be retained, either.

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It is, well on demand content is, under on demand > best of the web.

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A service i'm keeping an eye on is a Australian Netflix type service called Stan.
Has a lot of great content on it, could be the next Netflix.

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Let's hope it goes global!

Hulu could come to the UK within the next five years.

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Hulu did tell me they're aiming to be in UK by 2020 so you could be right there OB.

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Do you know when it starts as my brother uses it and he can not see it on the Amazon stick app or on the desktop player?

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Had an e-mail from them earlier this week offering 50% off the annual subscription cost using code XMAS17 at the checkout. so a year for £30.00, plus they have a month's free trial too.

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The TV Player is already on Amazon Fire, but I don’t know when the cloud recording service will start - their site just says ‘coming soon’.

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Does TV Player ex-VM staff then? :D

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Oh dear. :p:

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Thanks, I was looking under apps!

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Never watched it - so how do you know how good it is?:confused:

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NFL is very good PQ in HD - I believe one reason for this is the pitch is very narrow compared to Football/Rugby pitch hence cameras can be a lot closer

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Not sure how TV player consider the 38 premium channels to be Premium - only ever watched 2 of them and then only 1 or 2 times a year (and those channels are free on sky)

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NFL Gamepass in HD is ok at best it's perfectly acceptable for studio stuff but the game quality just doesn't match up to watching on the linear HD channels.

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Erm let me think now.... Schedule, reviews, what others say about the channel.
Nice try at having a pop but as usual your attempts are a failure.
The 38 pay channels on tvplayer are not free on SKY either, i wonder if you aim to troll or are just trying to be smart and failing at times.

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Apologies for not being clear enough - what I meant was the 38 premium channels are not premium channels on sky.

I.e. Premium channels on sky are things like sky sports, premier sports, BT sports, sky movie channels - channels that you pay extra for on top of the basic service.

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I guess they call them premium channels for the same reason - that is that they are channels you pay for on top of the basic (free) service.

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Ah i see what you meant i apologise for saying you might be trolling.
They are classed as premium channels as they are a extra addon on tvplayers service, even bt and plusnet count those channels as prem chans but i can see where you was coming from.

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Web browsing now added to Amazon TV boxes (Not tried yet)


With Firefox and Silk web browsers on Fire TV, the entire world wide web is now at your fingertips. You can now access all your favorite web content on the big screen, including sports, news, TV shows, movies, social news, and web videos. Use your Fire TV remote buttons to easily search the web, navigate pages, and play, pause, and fast forward web videos.


Edit: Sory, I missed this bit:
Ready to get browsing? Simply search for Firefox or Silk on your Fire TV, and download the app to get started.

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This should cheer OB up a bit


Report: Number of Netflix Subscriptions in US Now Same as Cable


http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/1...-us-now-cable/

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For information, here is the source data, which goes into more detail.

https://www.pwc.com/us/en/advisory-s...ou-stream.html

Some interesting points https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2017/12/6.gif

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Reading between the lines here and in light of Murdoch's sell out to Disney, if consumers use no more than four paytv services with only two being regularly used, you can equate that to how the media industry will become.

The six major Hollywood studios are already about to be reduced to five and eventually with media consolidations down to probably three. They'll be three or four companies controlling all media in the end probably with their own cable, satellite, and/or mobile networks AND streaming apps.

To think that Netflix has only been around for 20 years and only half of that as a streaming company. In that ten years the streaming operation has become so big that's its made one of the biggest media moguls of all time sell up. Astonishing. And yet some people still think on demand is irrelevant.

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What was Netflix before it was a streaming company?

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It was originally conceived as a competitor to Amazon (talk about things going full circle) but quickly became the main rival to Blockbuster where you could rent DVDs through the post.

I don't know about anyone else, but five years ago, I'd never even heard of Netflix and now they're everywhere. It's one of my primary ways to watch TV these days.

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Never knew that, I've always known it as a streaming company. Wasn't it just films that they streamed to start with??

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They started as a video rental service via post

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I meant when they started streaming (always thought their name was derived from films over the internet).

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Yep.

It's an interesting point.

They would probably say that they got that name because you could rent, order the dvds over the net. I reckon, even twenty years ago, their ambitions were wider than that and they had to wait for the technology to catch up with their ambitions.

In a office I used to work in, you could rent dvds from a vending machine. When the machine was filled up with new films, the envelopes that contained the dvds had the words Netflix on them, which meant nothing to me at the time. That was several years before Netflix ever officially operated in the UK, so they have been around, albeit behind the scenes, for a while now.

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Personally, I'm not that interested. I stream as much as possible and record things I can't, but have no issues with those who prefer linear TV. As mentioned in my post, I thought OB would be interested.

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Yes, thank you, passingbat.

As you know, I stream and record only, never watch anything live.

I don't have an issue with people who prefer linear, I'm just puzzled as to why.

Although the reports on all this can be mixed, I am pretty sure that the trend is pointing to a steady increase in preference for streaming. I think this will become much more noticeable over the coming years.

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Tried it last night. Opened Firefox and the first direct link is for YouTube. Clicked on the YouTube link and it took me to the TV friendly version of YouTube. Identical to the YouTube app. All in I was able to watch videos within 20 seconds. If Google pull the YouTube app from Fire TV it's no longer an issue for me. All it takes is 1 more click and about 10 seconds longer than usual to enjoy the exact same YouTube experience.

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I think that was the driver behind adding web access.


My PC is viewable on my TV, so no bigge for me but very useful fo those who don't do that

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Looks like they want to start clamping down on password sharing:

https://gizmodo.com/the-glory-days-o...v-m-1821463505

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Won't impact users in the UK.

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I love Hulus response to this "the larger the audience the better" stop blocking vpns then lol.

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I think they mean a paying audience, theone!

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Not everyone uses hacked accounts mate.
I pay for the none advert version $11.99p/m which is around £9p/m which i think is great value tbh hulu plus netflix is all the tv i need.

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The Youtube app is still on my Fire stick and even got me to update it last night.

The blackbox with the message about it going on Jan 1st still comes up.

have they had a change of heart?

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My fire stick doesn’t have the app any more. Instead it gave me Youtube.com choice with a choice to sign into it through Firefox or silk. After downloading Firefox it loaded up quickly and looks to be the same format as the app

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Same here. Playback however isn't always great. Whenever it comes time for a pop up add my video starts to stutter and goes out of sync. I've also been stuck watching a spinney wheel once the advert has stopped. Amazon are usually quick to react. I'd expect them to have these teething issues ironed out soon

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Its been a while since I used Firefox, does it have extensions? If so could you install an ad blocking extension to stop the popup ad?

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You can on pc version adblock plus i think there is an android version of adblock plus too.

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Interesting Amazon very likely to bid for premiership rights. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a8143106.html

Edit: Amazon are now holding talks for premier league rights, what was you saying again Den? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/...-uk-tv-rights/

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Has anybody signed up to the Eurosport Player on the Amazon devices? (I know it costs extra above the usual EP sub)

Just wondered if it is exactly the same offering as the standalone service?

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Intrestingly Amazon have confirmed they are talking to their people about bidding for premiership football, i think OB may of been right in his theory of Amazon getting some live football.

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Used it on android it was same as the one on bttv but this was last year around about June, i don't know if it's changed since then.

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Netflix UK subs rate slows as Now TV gains.

http://tbivision.com/2018/01/09/netf...tv-gains-barb/

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Netflix uk growth started to slow down when Netflix blocked vpns etc.

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Yeah, i got rid of it then.

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I severely doubt that's true , the amount using VPN's was probably tiny.

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I assume that also covers the DNS services that 'unlocked' content from other regions, which were easier for people to use and likely more popular than a full VPN.

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Yes including those , the reason the studios acted was because it was starting to get put all over the internet with the methods and who to use.

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Yes they're blocked too, i personally kept Netflix there is still plenty of content on there and with Netflix making more and more original content £8p/m is an absolute bargain, it was nice why the vpns lasted but these things happen.

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Spot on once word got around across the web the studios had no choice really but to act.
The same is now happening with nbcsports they are gradually blocking vpns and smart dns.[COLOR="Silver"]

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Luckily so far (he says touching a large piece of wood) NBC have only blocked the more popular services that blabbermouths who don't realise they are onto a good thing boast about in very public forums,
the more obscure service we both use seems to be working well still and it has a very good customer service who respond to and fix issues very quickly.

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Indeed the one we use is still working with nbcsports and US netflix.

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Free sports channel "Stadium" has now launched on ROKU (USA) i posted this as people in uk do use ROKU USA.
Stadium is also available on the free platform Pluto tv.

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Pluto is available over here as well, although I don't know if we get the same content as the US.

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Is that the cartoon version, OB?...................:D

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That made me laugh! :D

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Is that the same Stadium that streamed some free college football games on Facebook during the season?

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No far less content on the UK version of plutotv no live sport, no movies either.
I do believe though wrestling inc is coming to uk plutotv and over time i do think the uk version will grow too with more content.

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Yes i think so you can view it here too though no vpn or smart dns needed https://watchstadium.com/live/

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Excellent, someone needs to make a kodi addon for that :)

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Amazon have launched an EPG for live channels on Fire TV in the States.

https://amazonfiretv.blog/live-tv-ha...v-2e357d13c0fc

Is this a step forward or a step backwards for the streaming giant? A streaming service trying to replicate a linear TV service. Interesting.

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It's a logical step in my opinion. It's just one extra way to find the programme you want to watch. You don't have to use it, but if you are thinking of something to watch on one of the live channels offered by Amazon, surely this is the way to go.

As I never watch live channels, I won't be using it when the service comes to the UK.

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So you don't watch live sports, OB?

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Nope. I detest watching other people play sport!

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Well each to their own but there is nothing like live sport with all its drama sometimes..

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I am with you Den, don't watch recorded sport.