Re: TiVo
 

Sshh! They might ask for it back.

Re: TiVo
 

How did you get yours?

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I didn't know you were a programer for TiVo.

Re: TiVo
 

lol you learn something new everyday

Re: TiVo
 

DF on my dear mothers memory I was offered it at cost and I am not on VIP and never have been.

Honestly, I am many things but I doubt I could be accused of fibbing on my time on here.

Re: TiVo
 

They called me up and charged me £149 and 3quid a month subscription.

And although I don't work for Tivo I have done a fair bit of software development and I can tell you changing the default padding option should be a 5 minute job. If it's not then there's something seriously wrong with the code. I could understand if they were going to do a more extensive rewrite of the code to allow users to set their own defaults, but to just change the default setting as it stands today should be trivial matter. It's just initialising the variable to another value.

Re: TiVo
 

I know and I believe you :)

I'm just trying to see how the poster got TiVo, if they say they never fell in to any of the groups mentioned.

Re: TiVo
 

I have a theory it was because I am coming to the end of my first contract but as ever I could be totally wrong.

Re: TiVo
 

seems a logical assumption though.

Re: TiVo
 

Ok people, can we stop the witch hunt, if mersey70 has managed to get a TIVO then good for him, I am sure that he was not meant to get it before other people but we are all human and someone obviously did not read his request correctly.

I am happy to wait for TIVO in the knowledge I will receive it at some point over the next two months. We have all waited since December fpr TIVO, 2 more months for a fully operational TIVO is nothing.

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As I have previously said I do not for one moment believe there is not at least some science to the order people are called in. That might or even probably extends to the prize draw too.

Any business would be crazy to do otherwise when there's dosh involved and I don't think they are crazy given Tivo's importance to VM.

Re: TiVo
 

Not a happy chappy

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...d.php?t=466178

Re: TiVo
 

Yeah, he's posted on here and our community forum too.

Re: TiVo
 

Because of the way tivo handles padding when two shows are recorded back to on different channels, on the same tuner, I don't want a default few minutes of padding automatically added to a recording. If tivo handled padding like the V+ box, that would be fine but it doesen't.

They really should make tivo handle it like the V+, but I doubt they will (hope I'm wrong). In the absence of that, any global padding should be optional, with user selectable times.

Re: TiVo
 

Will the tivo box ever be able to fast forward and rewind radio recordings or be able to pause live radio like the v+ could?

also when you stopped a recording on the v+ and went back into it there was an option to go to a user defined time is this coming to tivo or is it already there but i'm missing it?

got it installed yesterday as well and i'm very impressed had a few problems with it recording true blood though on fx hd as it will not record the friday episodes at 10 when i set it up to record a series link to record new showings

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But Sky will never be able to copy half the features in tivo, such as suggestions, thumb ratings and so on as tivo own the rights. Until they can also supply a decent speed, dedicated broadband line on the boxes for IPTV they will never catch VM for VOD. If they add another tuner then that means 3 cables coming in for the dish (each tuner needs its own feed), etc.

Messy...

Re: TiVo
 

I don't certainly, but your implication is that Virgin won't progress their STB in the next 10 years either

TiVo boxes run on Linux, which means they are upgradeable ;)

Re: TiVo
 

I don't suggest anywhere that VM won't up their game.

Re: TiVo
 

I don't want forced padding thanks, especially 5 minutes. It takes 10 seconds or less to set options for a series link (and i'm tetraplegic with very limited finger movement), where's the hassle? Let see 3 minute end and 2 min start padding, select show, go to get series link... press right, right, down 4 times, right 2 times, down, right 3 times, OK, OK... done.

User configurable padding yes maybe, forced padding no ta.

Re: TiVo
 

Sorry if I confused you I didn't actually get Tivo, I merely got the call. And I also got an entry into the prize draw but maybe everyone on XL did.

I registered when the site went live I think but as I learned more about it I realised it wasn't really for me right now.

I must have missed the witch hunt!

Re: TiVo
 

I think you were out stirring the cauldron with the rest of your coven


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Re: TiVo
 

I was contributing to a discussion on trying to establish if there was any pattern to those who have been called.

As opposed to making silly ill informed posts like yours.

Feel free to add my user id to your ignore list though.

Re: TiVo
 

Sorry you didn't recognize a bit of humor.


If you feel I was getting you I apologize.


It was only a joke after all and I have agreed with most of your posts so I will not put you on ignore list and hope you haven't me and so miss this post.


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Re: TiVo
 

Clearly I missed your humour so let me apologise, if you added an animation to indicate a joke (which it looks like you possibly did from the emoticon web address) for some reason I cannot see them, only smileys.

Ta

Re: TiVo
 

Group hug?:group::group:

Re: TiVo
 

I wouldn't go that far;)

Re: TiVo
 

OK but remember you've got 3 recordable tuners so it's not going to happen very often, plus the higher priority series link *will* clip the padding off a lower priority series link, so it's not a massive problem. Although not ideal I would rather that, than have to manually add padding each and every time I set a recording from the web/mobile, or from the guide where it doesn't even prompt you to set it.


Sounds like that could be more extensive code change, so let's see what turns up in September :dozey:

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I could easily turn that around and say you could quite easily go into your recordings and remove the padding. The reality is that schedules do quite often overrun, so personally I'd rather it added a couple of minutes than none at all.

Yes in an ideal world we could set our own preference, but VM are saying that's over 6 months away.

Re: TiVo
 

How are you not getting the option to set from the TV Guide?

TV Guide > Genre > highlight programme > Press "ok" > select "Series links & other options"

Do you not see this option?

Re: TiVo
 

Can I just clarify this padding issue on one point since most of the posts seem to be about what happens to padding when you are recording 2 programmes back to back.

Is the case with Tivo as follows:

1. You can set start before and continue after padding on an individual recording or series setting, on V+ you had pre defined options of something like 2, 5 or 10 minutes but on Tivo can you set your own padding time?
2. This has to be done on every recording as there is no global setting which seems to be the approach now to be implemented with the target September patch update.

The above just covers a recording you want to make without the complication of back to back or clashing recordings. Just want to understand the basic set up first before getting into priorities/clashes/back to back recording issues.

Re: TiVo
 

Correct. You have to define your own padding on each recording or series link. Presumably suggestion recordings don't get any padding.

Re: TiVo
 

Suggestions seem to get 10 mins added to the end from what I've seen

Re: TiVo
 

I agree the third tuner will reduce the number of times it happens, but I only record thngs I want to watch, usually brand new episodes of a series, so I don't set priority recording; they are all equal priority to me.

Since this issue has come to light, I've been keeping an eye on programmes that V+ has had to remove padding from, and all have recoded with nothing missing. I'll keep monitoring, but ATM, I'm thinking of not adding any padding to recordings on TIVO (when I get it) as I think no padding would probably cause less problems. So, I don't want forced padding imposed on TIVO.

Re: TiVo
 

From the TV guide if I want to do a one off recording, I highlight the show I want to record and then press the record button. I then select "record this showing" and it then sets the recording and returns to the Guide.

If I want to set padding on this recording I have to then go into the planned recordings and edit it from there.

Similarly if I set a series link or recording from the web, there's no way to set padding there either. You have to go into the Tivo and add it through the various menus.

Hence why I keep banging on about changing the default to just add a couple of minutes.

With series links it's less of an issue because once you set the link you then get the menu option to edit the series link properties.

I personally see padding as quite important, particularly with BBC content which can quite often over run. With comercial channels it's less of an issue because there's usually a few mins of adds padding out the hour.

Re: TiVo
 

You are doing it wrong then ;) Press OK instead of record in the TV Guide. :)

the online TV Guide is in constant development.

Re: TiVo
 

I am a person who likes to press a button and it works, not mess around with settings all the time. I have not changed any defaults on my SA V+, yet it is very rare indeed for recordings not to cover the whole programme, even when back to back.

Nearly everything I read about this Tivo puts me off. If it had a dynamic programme guide (it is utterly unbelievable to me that it does not) then all this stuff about padding would not matter.

Did I read that you cannot press INFO and instantly find out about a programme as on V+ (though admittedly you often have to do it twice to get the information)? I find this unbelievable too.

Why not start with all the V+ does then add the Tivo business of thumbs up and down for those who find that sort of thing appealing.

I hope VM continue to develop the V+ with a larger hard drive as I am beginning to believe that, for the ordinary customer, they are on a loser with this Tivo which seems old fashioned in so many respects.

Re: TiVo
 

You can press info to find information on TiVo

Re: TiVo
 

INFO (in the TV Guide) will re re-added on the next code release. You press OK instead ATM (as Ben says INFO still works if you want to know about the current programme)

It's a TiVo software build that's being moulded to suit the needs of Virgin Media and it's customers.

V+HD will be phased out at some stage, but no roadmap has been published regarding this.

Re: TiVo
 

So just need a configurable default for padding which is what V+ does not in effect where I have a 2 minute before and 10 minute after padding for all recordings, as it is common for programmes to be delayed on the schedule and it is so annoying when you miss the last few minutes of a programme so global/default paddingt would be nice and then gets cut off if clashing with a following programme, as V+ does now.

Re: TiVo
 

It wouldn't be forced on you, it's just changing the default. As I said, you could always go in and set it to zero padding if you wish.

I would imagine most V+ owners have padding set so most would want it on TiVo too...

Re: TiVo
 

Surely pressing OK will change to the higlighted channel, not tell you about the programme?

Re: TiVo
 

On programmes showing now it does. On future dated programmes it offers recording options along with information on the programme

'Info' on the programme you are watching works fine (as it does in recordings and most other places)

Re: TiVo
 

yeah, this will be added later this year.

Most of the programmes I record are series anyway, so I select the padding in just a few button presses when I set the record. Very simple.

Re: TiVo
 

Agree, most of mine are series recordings but there are always the one-off recordings where I will need to remember to set up padding until the patch update is available in September. Don't see it as a big issue, just need to remember.

Re: TiVo
 

But will this new version do what the V+does, and drop padding for two shows, back to back on different channels on the same tuner? To me, the V+ implementation of padding was perfect ---- why change it?

Re: TiVo
 

Totally agree. Going backwards.

Re: TiVo
 

DF, OK takes you to the same menu as record. If you select record this showing, you get no padding. If you go into series link and other options then you have another set of menus where you can set the padding.

This really all boils down to usability. I personally want to pad all my recordings as I expect most people will and right now I'm having to walk through menus to find these options.

In my company if we develop a new app we build specific UAT environments which testers users use to hammer out kinks like this. If a user says a high use function is buried too deep in the menu system, we bring it out into a higher level of the app or provide a direct short cut. While this may not be possible in this instance, if the default was changed to something other than "no padding", this whole issue would go away until TiVo can give us the user defined preferences.

Re: TiVo
 

. . . but only if back to back recordings work as on V+

Re: TiVo
 

you said you had no padding options when you pressed "record" :confused:

It's there on the screen... "Series Link and other options"

It's not difficult :)

Re: TiVo
 

I'm not saying it's not difficult, I'm saying I shouldn't have to.

If you walked into Tesco to buy a pint of milk, only to find Tesco put up a sign on the shelf saying "milk is out the back in the warehouse, go find it yourself". How would you feel ?

Re: TiVo
 

More like the shelf underneath but... ;)

I understand that having global padding options available is something people want, as VM/TiVo have already said it will be added later this year.

It's not a show stopper though as some are making out :)

Re: TiVo
 

I know i have said i wont get Tivo (or at least i wont pay for it) but i am following this thread with interest being someone who likes techy advances.

So far the more i read the more i believe VM have made a mess by releasing a completely unfinished product ... there seems so many things that point to it being released at least 6 months/a year too early. Those that have it may defend it to the hilt but the average person and therefore the average VM customer wants a finished fully working product which the current state of Tivo is clearly not at.

Half or more of the menus are old SD format, and based on 10 year old code with a number of basic functions like the INFO button are not yet working. The statement from the tivo forums there is one code drop due soon and the bigger code drop in around September (unless delayed of course) just shows the product in not finished by any means. The basic functions in these code drops should have been there way before the product was allowed into the public domain and in particular the September code drop with its fixes as that will be months after official launch.

No excuses .. you would not expect Sony or Panasonic or other big brand leaders to release a product as half finished as the Tivo is yet VM have rushed this product out to try compete against Sky and VM's lack of influence getting new channels.

VM may well be on the right track and time will tell but they have not come out of this looking very good in my eyes for a leading edge company.... all IMHO of course of which you have the right to disagree

I also stand by my prediction that the £3 charge will start to increase year on year after Tivo is around in numbers so VM can get some of the cash back
but will gladly buy DF, Stephen and other adamant staff members a nights full of beer drinking if i am wrong in 2015 :D

Re: TiVo
 

But it hasn't been 'released' as such though has it, by the time it is generally released the 3 tuners will be active and hopefully the announced updates will sort out a lot of the gltches.

It isn't for me either but the current users seem aware that it is almost still in beta which is the downside (if it actually is) of getting it early.

Re: TiVo
 

I don't think it's a show stopper, just a UI niggle.

Different people will have different views on how serious these things are to them.

In my organisation we have a whole team dedicated to UI improvement/tuning, maybe TiVo don't. In my org we listen to what the testers feed back and change accordingly. With VM there seems to be an air of "you get what your given and be thankful for it".

As Cozzy says, most "users" just want a functional, polished product.

Re: TiVo
 

I'd just take you up on the 'Panasonic not releasing an unfinished/half baked product'. You only have to look at the bile and vitriol directed towards their advert riddled EPG to see that even major manufacturers cock it up every now and then.

Re: TiVo
 

I have read that Tivo will be used for targetted advertising too though. I suppose it's the way of the world now similar to the web. Almost every time I use hotmail low and behold there is a VM ad, it's almost like it knows my browsing habits he he.

http://www.marketingweek.co.uk/disci...021162.article

Re: TiVo
 

In my organisation we have this too ;)

I'm sure you can also appreciate, that any changes will have to be fully tested before roll-out as often little gremlins will pop their heads up and cause other issues.

Re: TiVo
 

So thats more money VM will make through TIVO , on top of the user paying TIVO for them.

Re: TiVo
 

Yep, they're a commercial organisation and they will make money out of advertising

Re: TiVo
 

no more than I would expect.

Every business looks for ways to do this. Some such as Google make most of their money this way.

If I have to put up with a few adverbs on the EPG and at the start of VOD in increase content and pay for more HD I would prefer that to paying extra.

Hopefully that's part of the reason VM are doing it.

If not and they just pay off debt then that could mean expanding the areas they cover freeing more from only one choice for paytv.....

Re: TiVo
 

But shouldn't all this ad revenue be helping towards paying TIVO and having free EPG data and recording functions like Sky.

Re: TiVo
 

Wait until they force "sponsored" recordings onto your box and stick them at the top of your Recorded Shows list.

They tried it once on the old TiVo - was a massive outcry.

Hopefully they aint stupid enough to try it again. Although would they sneak them into your "suggestions". Brainwashing via TiVo :)

Re: TiVo
 

Someone on the VM forum said that OD trailers had appeared in his V+ planner, I have never noticed this and I suggested that maybe he has just recorded it by mistake but out of interest has anyone else noticed this?

Re: TiVo
 

What all ad revenue? I don't see any figures being mentioned anywhere. All it says is:

“It incorporates targeted VOD advertising, so ads can be linked to relevant shows that are being watched,” he said, adding that the apps will provide a “showcase area” for major brands.

VOD advertising is being done on the existing platform, so not TiVo specific.

Re: TiVo
 

They don't get paid for ads then ? These won't increase with TIVO meaning more revenue ? Try taking those red and white tinted VM specs off for a day LOL :D

Re: TiVo
 

well i'm a happy man now tivo free for a year from the 22nd of march bit of advice it ppl who are on higher packages that are getting selected first. women who phoned confirmed it this was the case.

Re: TiVo
 

Can't wait and 3.00 for the pleasure LOL :D

Re: TiVo
 

'the apps will provide a “showcase area� for major brands' was the part that seemed a bit wooly to me, what does it mean.

Re: TiVo
 

Where does it say that any revenue from ads would cover completely all TiVo running costs? Link or quote please

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Maybe the same you get the 'Red Button' apps, or the Green 'see more' things on Sky

Re: TiVo
 

Ah, I see.

Sky axed that last year though.

Re: TiVo
 

Quick question for you tivo guys if i record 2 programs at say 9-10pm and add padding and have a program programmed in for 10.00pm will it automatically stop the padding to start recording the 10pm program or will i miss the start because of padding

Re: TiVo
 

Another big plus for Sky , imagine the comparison list now once Tivo is the only PVR Price to record on Sky free, price to record on VM 3.00.

Re: TiVo
 

How about

Cost of HD on Sky £10.75
Cost of HD on Virgin Free

Total cost of Sky+HD £29.75 (1 Mix + HD)
Total cost of TiVo £27.50 (XL + TiVo)

Re: TiVo
 

Congratulations:D:D I bet you are as happy as a pig in muck:p::D:D

Re: TiVo
 

Just spoken to a guy from virgin, he has the tivo box but said it's not worth having just yet as he's experiencing many niggling problems, and he agreed the SD channels aren't so good as the v+HD boxes. He reckons they have brought it out a tad too early and should have held off a few more months.

Re: TiVo
 

How about sky premium HD subs 7.00 TIVO 3.00 totalling 10.00

Sky 50 plus HD
VM 29

We could go on all day.

My question I want you to answer is this what do most people take a PVR for ?

Re: TiVo
 

Assuming this is all done on one tuner, as I understnd it, you will miss the start as it will record the padding on the previous programme, assuming both shows are equal priority.

Re: TiVo
 

My question to you is, why do you keep on insisting the £3 is purely just for recording. It covers the whole TiVo service.

BTW Sky don't do free recording, they just now offer it as part of the subscription costs, same as Virgin currently do with V+ on XL

When Sky+ was new, then it had a service fee. The same applied when V+ was new (and still does for M to L), and just as TiVo is new now.

Re: TiVo
 

Thanks for that sounds like i will after risk programs without padding in that case,Was hoping it would cancel the padding and switch to next program like v+ box

Re: TiVo
 

Ben yet again you evaded answering my question to which the answer was RECORD the average Joe Bloggs couldn't care less after recording and series linking . If the TIVO charge is 3.00 to VIP/XL what will it be for lower tiers even more , pushing many of them over to Sky. Tell me another company what charges a subscriber a monthly fee for a PVR.

Re: TiVo
 

That's my initial plan when I get tivo, but I will experiment. The fact that there are 3 recordable tuners should reduce the problms with adding padding though.

If the September update has the V+ method of padding, that would solve the poblem, but no one has said wheather it will. Maybe they aren't allowed to?

Re: TiVo
 

Agree, you want padding on the previous programme being recorded to be ignored if another programme recording needs the tuner to start when scheduled.

The only point in padding is to make sure you capture the end of a programme just in case it is delayed slightly. Most of the time it is not relevant and you could up cutting off the start of another recording since you left end of recording on just in case there was a delay.

Not good I must say as you don't win with or without padding, definitely a step backwards since you are having to use priority to decide if padding is cancelled in effect by making the next recording a higher priority. I don't think priority of recording should decide this at all, it should be recording policy i.e allow padding if tuner is not needed for another recording, V+ had this exactly right and Tivo needs to match in this September patch update.

Re: TiVo
 

Sky do. You have to pay them a monthly subscription fee for their channels, which happens to include the Sky+ service if you have one.

Leave Sky, and unless you continue to pay them a fee, then the recording functions stop working

All that is different on Virgin is that they split out the fee seperately to the channel subscription.

Re: TiVo
 

Hi All,
I have just had Tivo Installed Today, and I must say this is an impressive piece of kit.
Quick Question
On the ebay app, can you actually log in to your account, or is it just used for browsing ebay ?
Thanks
Mick

Re: TiVo
 

Read my post properly , I said name a company what charges a subscriber.

Re: TiVo
 

May've just been sitting on channel 100 when he opened it

Re: TiVo
 

I did read it properly, and again, it's Sky

All they've done is adjust their monthly fees for everyone to cover the costs for running Sky+

Re: TiVo
 

As I said in an earlier post, I'm monitoing things recorded on V+ without padding because of tivo's padding methods, and so far, I've not had any problems.

Re: TiVo
 

You can understand now why VM didn’t put Tivo on open sale yet, the last thing you want to release on new customer is a product with too many bugs. You can see why VM are doing the March patch update then before they get near new customers.

People purchasing Tivo now must realise it is new technology and more importantly software code and there will be a time period to clear up faults in code.

So buy now with your eyes open and expect a few niggles or wait a year until VM have cleared out most of the bugs, post September update would sound a good buy time for those who don’t want any hassle.

I am happy to put up with some faults as long as they are not too intrusive or you can manage around them, but looks like I will be one of those ordering online at the end of March now with delivery in April, so after the March update at least and 3rd tuner activated which is the only issue I am really concerned about short term.

Re: TiVo
 

Wrong 6 mix with Sky is 24.50
XL is 24.50

How's that different

Re: TiVo
 

I have read that some people have reported problems logging into ebay on Tivo so that would suggest you can.

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XL is £24.50 if you also take out a phone line at £12.99, £30.50 otherwise.

Of course VM also charge £5 for V+ if you are not on XL.

Re: TiVo
 

The Tivo app is browse-only at the moment so I don't see how 'people' are facing problems logging in.

Re: TiVo
 

Maybe that is the problem they are having then!! (it was just something I recall seeing on a forum that's all).

Re: TiVo
 

But, to get non premium channels on sky, in HD, it's an extra 10 pounds per box

Re: TiVo
 

So why did Sky charge for the PVR function for so long then. When Sky+ was introduced you had to pay £10 a month on top of the subcription fee 'just to record' as you put it.

Re: TiVo
 

£10.25! ;)

It's horses for courses for me. Sky charge for HD but their phone service is absolutely miles cheaper than VM's.

Depends what your priorities are, as ever.

Re: TiVo
 

exactly my point it was a newer concept then , now people take it for granted hence it being free to Sky subscribers.

Re: TiVo
 

Thanks for the prompt reply

Re: TiVo
 

Because it was considered a premium product at the time.

People now expect PVR's as standard, mostly at no extra cost.

VM have a different model though so that's upto them, Joe Bloggs will as ever decide what suits him.

Re: TiVo
 

Re: TiVo
 

How much is Skys phone service then?

Re: TiVo
 

£16.25 a month including CLI, 01/02 03 and 0870 calls, free calls to 20 international destinations too.

I pay VM £23 for XL and CLI. No 0870 or international calls either.