Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36051719)

You have totally ignored the point about the different treatment of these twogroups, which is the point being made.

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36051660)

Back to the topic please.

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His recent actions and dictatorship imposition of endless rules are killing the support of everyone I knew that once supported him.

I supported the early decisions, I grugingly supported the lockdown.

But over the last few weeks its just been one knee jerk reaction after another, and as per previous post, a lot of the general public (that I know of, and myself as well) are getting pretty cheesed off with all these constant (and inconsistant) rules for something none of us have see any evidence of (other than on TV).

I went out for a meal tonight. The rules forced me to wear a mask to walk 20 or so feet from the door to my table, and the same when I left.
A trip of about 10 seconds each way, Im sure it made all the difference (esp as its almost a certainty there is no CV19 anywhere near the place).

I had to keep asking staff to repeat what they were saying to me because their masks muffled their voice so much I could not make it out (a noisy environment).

I happened upon the official government site on masks, which states ;

Not exactly a ringing endorsment of their usefulness (and presumably thats real masks, not the homemade/makshift ones many people use).

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36051721)

Extract from a lengthy article comparing different countries success in fighting Covid.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...k-in-this-mess

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36051725)

You can't know in advance how any easing of restrictions would turn out. If it could've been known, that would've made things easy.
Which countries HAVEN'T been caught out by easing of restrictions? Just look at the list of countries, where you are required to quarantine upon return to the UK.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36051735)

I think we can safely say that lockdowns and quarantines are not working. It’s time to get real.

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36051737)

Surely it's easing of any measures that is the problem? The infection rate spirals upwards when restrictions are eased.

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36051725)

You can't know in advance how any easing of restrictions would turn out. If it could've been known, that would've made things easy.
Which countries HAVEN'T been caught out by easing of restrictions? Just look at the list of countries, where you are required to quarantine upon return to the UK.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36051743)

Agreed. This should be an uncontroversial statement.

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That's the whole point - ease the restrictions more gradually to establish the impact each one has.

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36051513)

RULE OF 600 Hundreds of boozers spill out of pubs into street ‘party’ and packed Tubes after ‘fun police’ enforce 10pm curfews


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/127743...urfew-boozers/

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36051781)

One of our pubs had a visit from the police at 22:04. Without getting into whether the 10pm curfew is right or not, it's odd that they have the resources for this. After years of austerity cuts the police have complained that they don't have the manpower to deal with even serious crimes like child sex abuse, burglary etc, yet they have the resources to visit pubs with Environmental Health Officers to check compliance of the smoking ban and the curfew :confused:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36051724)

The PM is reacting to the way the virus is spreading. If he did not react, the measures taken up until that point would have been inadequate to achieve the required results.

However, I must agree that enough is enough. There is growing pressure now for a different approach - one that I have been advocating for sometime now. Protect the vulnerable and let the rest of the population to go about their business.

Hopefully,the Commons debate on 6 October will achieve just that. I just hope they don’t force the older population to shield, because many of them are still hail and hearty. Some of us are even healthier than some people in their 30s and so it would be massively unfair to subject them to such restrictions.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36051781)

One of our pubs had a visit from the police at 22:04. Without getting into whether the 10pm curfew is right or not, it's odd that they have the resources for this. After years of austerity cuts the police have complained that they don't have the manpower to deal with even serious crimes like child sex abuse, burglary etc, yet they have the resources to visit pubs with Environmental Health Officers to check compliance of the smoking ban and the curfew :confused:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36051784)

Age is a major factor in how serious Covid affects people. A doctor on Channel 5 said that 50+ is when the risk heightens and it gets worse the older a person is. A caller asked if a healthy pensioner was at less risk than an at risk younger person and she said no.

I too thought that it could be better to shield at risk groups and let the rest go about their business as normal, but a couple of days ago both Johnson and Sturgeon said that this wouldn't work as the virus would find it's way to the vulnerable by doing this.

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36051785)

They would in normal times, have officers on the streets having to deal with drunken behaviour etc. So not necessarily extra spending or staff required.

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I've shut myself away for several weeks now, because of a localized increased risk. How much longer should I do that, so that others can continue with their selfish behaviour?

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36051785)

They would in normal times, have officers on the streets having to deal with drunken behaviour etc. So not necessarily extra spending or staff required.