Cable Forum - Brexit (Old)

So, would it be fair to say that your position is basically it doesn’t matter what happens to the countries population as a whole ? So long as Brexit is delivered ?

Genuine question

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So to consider some of the good points you also make.

1) when change stops in a democracy, we’re no longer in a democracy
2) if the result of the referendum had been the opposite I have no doubt we would be having the same argument but from the opposite side of the coin
3) If the UK is such a powerful entity in its own right and the EU are petrified of us leaving (which seems to be the thought process of many people who wish to leave) then surely if we were to remain in the EU that gives us the best chance to effect change (that’s if you believe our politicians can achieve that)

As were scheduled to leave currently and enter the transitional phase we basically maintain the same relationship but with no say

I'd just like to take you up on the one point (the others are the ones we are all going round in circles).

I've argued that had it been the other way round, the Leavers would have accepted it because there would have been nothing further on which to hang one's hat. It wouldn't be the case of "what we know now".

Surely you could see that?

mrmistoffelees

09-01-2019 11:34

Re: Brexit

So, moving on, and as per my previous post.

REGARDLESS of the outcome of ongoing politics how do we start to bring the populace back together

Mick	09-01-2019 11:36

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35978575)

So, moving on, and as per my previous post.

REGARDLESS of the outcome of ongoing politics how do we start to bring the populace back together

You do not direct this thread - Back on topic - this thread is about Brexit.

pip08456

09-01-2019 11:42

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35978573)

17.4 million people went and peacefully voted to leave and after the votes were counted the leave vote won so brexit must be delivered. if it isn't delivered then there is only one way to get democracy back on track and that involves a peoples uprising to clear out the treachery that is rife in our society ,it's clear voting achieves nothing if brexit does not happen.

:clap::clap::clap:

jfman

09-01-2019 11:45

Re: Brexit

Dominic Grieve’s amendment selected. The Brexit at all costs brigade may be in for a shock.

Mick	09-01-2019 11:49

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35978578)

Dominic Grieve’s amendment selected. The Brexit at all costs brigade may be in for a shock.

Amendments are not binding, no shock felt.

Clock is still ticking btw. :rolleyes:

pip08456

09-01-2019 11:50

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35978575)

So, moving on, and as per my previous post.

REGARDLESS of the outcome of ongoing politics how do we start to bring the populace back together

Get your fellow remainers to accept a democratic vote and stop attempting to overturn it by whatever means possible.

That is the cause of division.

jfman

09-01-2019 12:03

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35978580)

Amendments are not binding, no shock felt.

Clock is still ticking btw. :rolleyes:

I suggested the shock was to come in the future.

Yes the clock always ticks on. It’s the destination that will change.

Mick	09-01-2019 12:03

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35978581)

Get your fellow remainers to accept a democratic vote and stop attempting to overturn it by whatever means possible.

That is the cause of division.

It will never happen pip, they expect us to sit there and smile when our democracy is destroyed for their own selfish reasons to stay in a declining corrupted EU and then expect us to cross a bridge and make amends, not going to happen at all.

jfman

09-01-2019 12:05

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You’re suggesting that they expect you to sit and smile, well what are you going to do?

Vote for someone else? Post on the internet about your outrage? Leave the country? Parliament knows people will comply once its framed correctly.

Mick	09-01-2019 12:15

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35978585)

Well I won't be voting again, ever in my life - I will have voter apathy until the day I die, voter apathy will increase tenfold in Britain and it was already rife before as it is, as I said, selfish Remainers will have killed Democracy, what was left of it, in this country because they want to stay in a declining market and corrupted, cancerous EU. :rolleyes:

mrmistoffelees

09-01-2019 12:32

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35978574)

I'd argue that we would be in exactly the same position but roles reversed, the closeness of the vote and the passion of the two sides I would suspect would ensure that this would be the case.

There are three camps, those passionate to leave and will fight to ensure it will happen, those passionate to stay who will not stop trying until there's nothing left to try. and those who will just accept what will be and hope for the best.

You could argue that Brexit whilst of very significant purpose is just the tip of some incredibly deep divisions of a very volatile and fractured society. We're currently in a political and social state of being able to deal with or resolve any of them.

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35978581)

Get your fellow remainers to accept a democratic vote and stop attempting to overturn it by whatever means possible.

That is the cause of division.

i think you have a point, but again, with such a close result and feeling between the leave and remain that's just not going to happen. If the vote was 70/30 or even 60/40 in the favour of leave I think there may be more acceptance (albeit grudgingly) there may well be political and social discord but not to the levels we're currently seeing.

The great thing about democracy is we don't have to accept what is put in front of us, and we're all within reason permitted to try and bring about change.

papa smurf

09-01-2019 12:39

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35978587)

Don't give up on your rights just because society is blighted by a cancer, the solution is cut out the cancer and destroy all the affected cells that are eating away at democracy.

Pierre

09-01-2019 12:43

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35978478)

Vote Leave had to lie and cheat to win by a wafer thin margin. They can all agree on one thing only to end freedom of movement. There’s no agreement on anything else.

A racist and xenophobic policy, based only on emotion, can only have negative consequences for the minds of those who are seeing their dreams taken from them. It really was a once in a lifetime opportunity and a monumental effort to reach 52%. They know it’s done unless it happens right now. Hence the anger. :)

Most of the time you come across as a level headed sensible person, but once in a while your guard slips, and you spout some bollocks.

Given the time, I'll assume you've a drink or two.

jfman

09-01-2019 12:45

Re: Brexit

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35978587)

That’s an ideal solution for Parliament to be honest.

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35978593)

Most of the time you come across as a level headed sensible person, but once in a while your guard slips, and you spout some bollocks.

Given the time, I'll assume you've a drink or two.

Not during the week. :)

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