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You’re missing a very important point.

To some, "take back control" and "Parliamentary Sovereignty" means "doing what I want you to do”...

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79:13:10.

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However, history dictates actually you are

Burke, Green and Civil Service Ethics

Members of Parliament (MPs) are representatives, not delegates. Burke himself said the following to his constituents, having been returned as an MP: "Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays instead of serving you if he sacrifices it to your opinion." In other words, MPs should act in what they judge to be the public interest - not as advocates for the interests of their constituents and therefore not necessarily in the way that their constituents might wish them to vote, nor even necessarily in the interests of their own constituency.

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Leaving the EU is putting the country on a more prosperous path. Doing trade deals with 90% World trade growth in next decade, is better than doing it with a declining 10% market being stuck in a corrupted entity.

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I spent some time this morning considering all of this I think more importantly perhaps than Brexit itself is how do we even begin to bridge the ravine between the British people

If the scheduled exit occurs remain will never forgive exit unless it works
If there were to be a 2nd referendum and remain were somehow to win then they would never be forgiven by those wishing to leave unless we effect serious change from within the EU

A bridge too far too cross ?

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This is why you need to seriously wake up and read up these discussions on this forum. Like Piere stated, you’re late to the party and it’s about high time you realised that what I say and post on here, I stand by, so stop telling me I’m wrong when I’m not, I’m not interested in your little history lesson.

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I see.....

Unless you meant:

Which is rather against the feeling of this thread :erm:

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You make a very good couple of points.

Remain will be forgiving if an exit works.

Leave will never forgive if remain overturn a demorcratic vote.

That is the devide this country has been pushed into by remainers who for whatever reason did not agree with the result of the referendum and have (and still are) trying their best to overturn it.

Effecfting serious change within the EU is a non starter as has been proved many times over the years we have been members.

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The remain camp have burned all their bridges as far as i'm concerned,there's only so much whinging about losing the referendum and trying to overturn it that i can take.

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So, would it be fair to say that your position is basically it doesn’t matter what happens to the countries population as a whole ? So long as Brexit is delivered ?

Genuine question

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So to consider some of the good points you also make.

1) when change stops in a democracy, we’re no longer in a democracy
2) if the result of the referendum had been the opposite I have no doubt we would be having the same argument but from the opposite side of the coin
3) If the UK is such a powerful entity in its own right and the EU are petrified of us leaving (which seems to be the thought process of many people who wish to leave) then surely if we were to remain in the EU that gives us the best chance to effect change (that’s if you believe our politicians can achieve that)

As were scheduled to leave currently and enter the transitional phase we basically maintain the same relationship but with no say

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It's almost laughable that within your mindset - you want Brexit thwarted and then expect us Brexiteers to sit there and smile happy as if we will have to accept what's happening and get over it, make no mistake, we will not get over it and we will fight tooth and nail if we have to, to save democracy in this country, there will be no bridge building whatsoever with anybody who supports this disgusting, treacherous action to overturn a democratic decision.

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Don’t dare to tell me of my mindset you know nothing about it, just as you keep rattling on about me not telling you this and that , hypocrite much ?

Actually, your and I jostling is done on this subject I’ll seek conversations with those willing to have a discussion. Best wishes

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Pffft - Best wishes nothing - Your mindset is to thwart Brexit and then for everyone after to get over it and move on - and I am telling you, it won't happen, I don't care if you respond or not to this - so lose the "me me" attitude.

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17.4 million people went and peacefully voted to leave and after the votes were counted the leave vote won so brexit must be delivered. if it isn't delivered then there is only one way to get democracy back on track and that involves a peoples uprising to clear out the treachery that is rife in our society ,it's clear voting achieves nothing if brexit does not happen.