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Carth 08-01-2019 22:18
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35978474)
I'm not sure that elected MPs voting one way or the other can be called treacherous. That's emotional mumbo jumbo in my book.
On the other hand, MPs voting to hold back funding for something the 'people' voted for can be viewed as treacherous . . . as well as other names which won't be printed here.

Strange how different Governments/MPs are called nasty names by a few on here when they withhold funding for other stuff . . .

Mick 08-01-2019 22:19
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35978474)
I'm not sure that elected MPs voting one way or the other can be called treacherous. That's emotional mumbo jumbo in my book.
If I want to call them treacherous, I will, I don't need or require yours or anyone elses consent.

jfman 08-01-2019 22:20
Re: Brexit
 
Something a minority of people voted for, and there’s no guarantee they’d do the same given the choice tomorrow. The Government has a responsibility to the entire United Kingdom.

Mick 08-01-2019 22:22
Re: Brexit
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35978478)
It’s literally not.

You can’t really criticise them though. Vote Leave had to lie and cheat to win by a wafer thin margin. They can all agree on one thing only to end freedom of movement. There’s no agreement on anything else.

A racist and xenophobic policy, based only on emotion, can only have negative consequences for the minds of those who are seeing their dreams taken from them. It really was a once in a lifetime opportunity and a monumental effort to reach 52%. They know it’s done unless it happens right now. Hence the anger. :)
There was no cheating to win at all - stop talking absolute rubbish.

P.S The Remain camp also lied too! :rolleyes:

Carth 08-01-2019 22:23
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35978481)
Something a minority of people voted for, and there’s no guarantee they’d do the same given the choice tomorrow. The Government has a responsibility to the entire United Kingdom.
More voted for it (brexit) than against, something else you repeatedly try to fudge,

jfman 08-01-2019 22:25
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35978483)
More voted for it (brexit) than against, something else you repeatedly try to fudge,
On one single date almost three years ago, of those who chose to vote, yes that was a majority.

However it’s the Government of the whole United Kingdom of 66 million people. Not a Government for Brexit voters.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35978482)
There was no cheating to win at all - stop talking absolute rubbish.

P.S The Remain camp also lied too! :rolleyes:
No financial irregularities? None?

Mick 08-01-2019 22:27
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35978481)
The Government has a responsibility to the entire United Kingdom.
Yes to deliver Brexit, the thing that Democracy decided and what MPs, stood on election pledges and manifestos that got them re-elected.

That thing that you keep conveniently forgetting.

So the 303 treacherous MPs who have tried to stop tax collections in the event of no deal, are exactly that, treacherous.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35978484)

No financial irregularities? None?
I repeat - no cheating. You're droning on again... :rolleyes: :zzz:

djfunkdup 08-01-2019 22:27
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35978483)
More voted for it (brexit) than against, something else you repeatedly try to fudge,

He has something wrong with his brain mate . He just can't/won't get his head round it.. i really don't see any point in even answering him it's just the same moot weak points going round and round and round and round ..

He is going to have to accept us Chavs decided his destiny :D:D:D

jfman 08-01-2019 22:31
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35978486)
Yes to deliver Brexit, the thing that Democracy decided and what MPs, stood on election pledges and manifestos that got them re-elected.

That thing that you keep conveniently forgetting.

So the 303 treacherous MPs who have tried to stop tax collections in the event of no deal, are exactly that, treacherous.
I’m not conveniently forgetting the General Election. That was a bad day for Brexit because it cemented uncertainty into the process. Manifesto promises are more hopes and aspirations than commitments, and are always weighted against the chances of winning the next election.

Conveniently both main parties breaking the same commitment, to honour the referendum result, means they can share the blame with little negative effect. The General Election was the best thing to have happened to the remain camp.

Carth 08-01-2019 22:31
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 35978484)
On one single date almost three years ago, of those who chose to vote, yes that was a majority.

However it’s the Government of the whole United Kingdom of 66 million people. Not a Government for Brexit voters.
Strange that, because I thought they said they would honour the result, which means leaving the EU, as that is what won the vote


*cue lots of blah blah rhectoric about old people dying and 12 year olds not getting a vote*

djfunkdup 08-01-2019 22:32
Re: Brexit
 
LOL :)

jfman 08-01-2019 22:32
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by djfunkdup (Post 35978488)
He has something wrong with his brain mate . He just can't/won't get his head round it.. i really don't see any point in even answering him it's just the same moot weak points going round and round and round and round ..

He is going to have to accept us Chavs decided his destiny :D:D:D
It’s not my fault you can’t divide 66 million by two then add one. :dunce:

1andrew1 08-01-2019 22:34
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35978479)
On the other hand, MPs voting to hold back funding for something the 'people' voted for can be viewed as treacherous . . . as well as other names which won't be printed here.

Strange how different Governments/MPs are called nasty names by a few on here when they withhold funding for other stuff . . .
The fact of the matter is that the only electoral party offering a no-deal Brexit - UKIP - was rebuffed by the British electorate at the last election. If the electorate had wanted a no-deal Brexit, they had their chance to elect a Government that would deliver it, They didn't. Those MPs are therefore not going against the will of the people and are not treacherous.

Dave42 08-01-2019 22:35
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35978490)
Strange that, because I thought they said they would honour the result, which means leaving the EU, as that is what won the vote


*cue lots of blah blah rhectoric about old people dying and 12 year olds not getting a vote*
strange Teressa May said again on tv Sunday no Brexit at all

jfman 08-01-2019 22:36
Re: Brexit
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35978490)
Strange that, because I thought they said they would honour the result, which means leaving the EU, as that is what won the vote

*cue lots of blah blah rhectoric about old people dying and 12 year olds not getting a vote*
They shouldn’t make promises they don’t have the numbers in Parliament to deliver. It’s irresponsible at best and at worst unconstitutional.


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