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OLD BOY 11-07-2025 16:38

Re: Climate Change
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36199153)
I don't think this climate issue is going away. Too little too, too late whatever we do now. If only we could have done 'thinking', and stopped ignoring the evidence.

No, it won’t go away through our silly efforts to reduce carbon emissions. We need to re-establish the world’s forests, but I can’t see that happening anytime soon. The recent devastation of the Amazon rainforest is going to be recognised as a devastating disaster for the planet in years to come.

By the way, it has been hotter than this before, as climate records show.

Mr K 11-07-2025 18:12

Re: Climate Change
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36199158)
By the way, it has been hotter than this before, as climate records show.

It's not one days weather OB, it's the trend of the last few decades. There's never been climate change at anything like this rate I.e a man made that scientists, as long as 90 years ago warned about. The worrying thing is its happening faster the worst predictions.

Never mind, I'm sure President Trump is on the case.

Pierre 11-07-2025 18:41

Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36199153)
I don't think this climate issue is going away. Too little too, too late whatever we do now. If only we could have done 'thinking', and stopped ignoring the evidence.

Hot few days in summer alert, don’t worry temperature drops on Monday.

Mr K 11-07-2025 18:58

Re: Climate Change
 
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36199168)
Hot few days in summer alert, don’t worry temperature drops on Monday.

Monday's weather is irrelevant
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Itshim 11-07-2025 19:02

Re: Climate Change
 
Still clearly remember be warned that the next ice age is on its way

OLD BOY 14-07-2025 15:37

Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36199166)
It's not one days weather OB, it's the trend of the last few decades. There's never been climate change at anything like this rate I.e a man made that scientists, as long as 90 years ago warned about. The worrying thing is its happening faster the worst predictions.

Never mind, I'm sure President Trump is on the case.

If you go rather further back, you will see that suddenly climate changes have happened before. The most recent was the little ice age that occurred between 1300 and 1870.There have been much warmer periods, too, but your graph only goes back a few hundred years.

Sephiroth 17-07-2025 22:32

Re: Climate Change
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36199166)
It's not one days weather OB, it's the trend of the last few decades. There's never been climate change at anything like this rate I.e a man made that scientists, as long as 90 years ago warned about. The worrying thing is its happening faster the worst predictions.

Never mind, I'm sure President Trump is on the case.

Doesn't it naturally happen every few thousand years? Perhaps accelerated by 200 years through industrialisation (though I doubt that).

Mr K 17-07-2025 23:24

Re: Climate Change
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36199451)
Doesn't it naturally happen every few thousand years? Perhaps accelerated by 200 years through industrialisation (though I doubt that).

Nothing natural about the current rate of warming. Exponential curve, look it up.

papa smurf 18-07-2025 08:21

Re: Climate Change
 
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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36199172)
Still clearly remember be warned that the next ice age is on its way

and we lived through that, i seem to recall it happened on a Wednesday in December:shocked:

Damien 18-07-2025 08:29

Re: Climate Change
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36199451)
Doesn't it naturally happen every few thousand years? Perhaps accelerated by 200 years through industrialisation (though I doubt that).

It has accelerated over the last 200 years. Warming previously took geological ages to increase, not decades. It gives life a chance to adapt because the environment didn't radically change within lifetimes.

The exception has been the extinction events, when there was sudden climate change, such as the event that wiped out the dinosaurs. But none of the precursors to those events have occurred for us. There was been no geological event that has sparked this current rate of warming.

We have been slowly warming since the last ice age as well. Just as had happened previously. But we're talking a very long time to slowly warm up. It's increased massively in just decades.

I have posted graphs before on this, but maybe this XKCD comic showing the warming since the last ice age, and the development of humans, is better. Look how slowly it's warmed compared up until the last hundred years: https://xkcd.com/1732/

TheDaddy 18-07-2025 12:04

Re: Climate Change
 
Shell and exxon knew the damage they were doing in the mid 80's and admitted it privately, why do people seem to think they know better than them? Nearly 200 years ago scientists worked out what the greenhouse effect on the planet would be and their predictions are coming to pass as are shell and exxons from 45 years ago but here we are, people still refusing to being the evidence of their own eyes, it's like being in a cult, a death cult.

Sephiroth 18-07-2025 16:17

Re: Climate Change
 
Would it be fair to say that, given the "few thousand years" cycle, had industrialisation not happened, then in a couple of hundred years' time humanity would be facing the same challenge as we seem to face now?

We just need to deal with this challenge sensibly, for example buying time with nuclear power while better energy solutions are found.

Mr K 18-07-2025 17:43

Re: Climate Change
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36199490)
Would it be fair to say that, given the "few thousand years" cycle, had industrialisation not happened, then in a couple of hundred years' time humanity would be facing the same challenge as we seem to face now?

We just need to deal with this challenge sensibly, for example buying time with nuclear power while better energy solutions are found.

Think you've lost the plot over timescales here. Natural change happens over thousands of years, this has happened over decades and is escalating out of control at an ever increasing rate. It'll get to a point where we can't do anything about it. We may have already passed that point. But we should still try (the majority won't as its inconvenient, will cost, and always tomorrow's / the next generations problem).

Sephiroth 18-07-2025 18:35

Re: Climate Change
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36199491)
Think you've lost the plot over timescales here. Natural change happens over thousands of years, this has happened over decades and is escalating out of control at an ever increasing rate. It'll get to a point where we can't do anything about it. We may have already passed that point. But we should still try (the majority won't as its inconvenient, will cost, and always tomorrow's / the next generations problem).

You seem not to have read my question properly.

Mr K 18-07-2025 20:33

Re: Climate Change
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36199493)
You seem not to have read my question properly.

I read it alright, and it's a daft question given the rate of climate change which is clearly not natural. If there's natural warming on top of that then we really are stuffed.


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