Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35858769)

Miliband opened up the membership to try and dilute the power of the union bosses over the party.

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35858871)

Linky

Just which part of brexit does he not understand? :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35858871)

Linky

Just which part of brexit does he not understand? :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35858931)

I'm getting bored of some people constantly acting like everyone that voted for brexit only did so because of the leave campaign nothing at all to do with experience of 40+ years in the euro club. Clearly every brexit voter is such a moron that they couldn't possibly vote for brexit because they genuinely felt it was the right thing to do or because their experience wasn't pro EU no only remainers did that because they are so much smarter then brexit voters.

Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35857405)

If they come to the UK via the EU we have no obligation to accomadate them and just because millions want to come here doesn't mean we should take any of them and pictures no longer bother me in the slightest being honest i don't care about any of them in calais I've seen the consequences of past immigration into the UK and the damage it's done i don't want anymore of it. Am i a git or a nasty piece of work don't know and i don't care as i see my kids struggling to get ahead in the UK now and their kids will struggle further and that's my primary concern not people looking to have a better life handed on a plate to them.

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35858880)

Well that's the way to negotiate effectively isn't it. Bit like Corbyn telling the world he'd never use our nuclear deterrent...

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Corbyn's seat could be abolished:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37342828

In the past I'd have expected howls of outrage to the effect that it's all a nasty Tory plot against the Labour 'messiah' but I have a feeling they'll be delighted to have Corbyn 'running' the circus for as long as possible. :D

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35858934)

Just as well no-one on here has done that, at least that I've read for a while.

The experience thing is getting boring, too. Very few of us were actually qualified to make an educated decision on this, regardless of 'experience'. I certainly wasn't. For better or worse it's been a while since many of us blindly deferred to those older and more 'experienced'.

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So here's your 'experience'.



Wonder who you're planning on blaming for the problems when migration is lower again? Perhaps you should look more closely at the failure to build adequate numbers of houses when 300,000 a year was quite doable in the past, or not properly funding the health service in the face of an ageing population. Many of the issues your kids are facing are nothing to do with immigrants and everything to do with the policies adopted by Conservatives and, then, to a lesser but still present extent, Labour.

Our immigration rate is way lower than other places, including some with the points based immigration so craved by many. They manage. We have grossly mismanaged as a country.

You're neither a git or a nasty piece of work, although the comment about people 'looking to have a better life handed on a plate to them' isn't exactly pleasant, but the blame for the issues your kids are facing, and I fear for my own also, belongs elsewhere.

Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35858957)

Yeah we can keep taking hundreds of thousands hell why not a few more million like the last decade it doesn't create any problems does it.

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35858777)

You what?

Milliband was a Union puppet, put in place by the unions because they knew his brother would truly keep power away from them.

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35858990)

The migrants from the EU were unquestionably a net positive. If the governments of the day didn't see fit to properly invest the financial returns from their working and paying their taxes here that was their failing.

EU migrants were, for the most part, young, healthy and childless. They worked, paid taxes, drew relatively little out.

The same can't be said for large groups of migrants from Southern Asia, emigrating here as hangovers from the Empire days. They're the ones who you alluded to as demanding that the country accommodate them. The most Polish tended to want was a sklep that sold their exotic sausages and Tyskie to wash them down.

Guess which group Brexit doesn't impact?

Oops.

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35859109)

You raise an interesting point. Brexit was partly won by people who wanted zero or much reduced net migration. The EU was the target for this ill but, looking at the figures on MigrationWatch:


Net Migration Statistics



This "other" net migration was not discussed, from memory, but as you point out is likely to be a bigger issue for the UK. The irony ..

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35859125)

The "other" migration could be controlled with enough political will ,Eu migration could not .Having the ability to control migration from the EU is what matters and the only reason why some voted to leave