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GrimUpNorth 02-08-2022 14:45
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Who would have thought that when we need 40,000 nurses, 50,000 doctors, 6,000 police officers, 100,000 care workers etc that the best way to recruit them would be to cut the salary? Only the caring conservatives think that much of 'hard working people'. They really should be ashamed that one of the 'best' 2 candidates for the top job suggested it and that nobody saw there'd be a backlash. Wow, just wow.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36130129)
The principle is sound. That’s why you don’t get London Weighting outside of London.

We all know that shopping is cheaper in some areas than others, so it makes sense that wages reflect that.

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In other words, she listened to the reaction and decided to heed what people were saying. That’s good, isn’t it?

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Well, exactly. It is far more expensive to live and work in London.
Why don't we build a big wall round the poorer areas while we're at it, you know to keep the riffraff in?

TheDaddy 02-08-2022 15:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36130129)

In other words, she listened to the reaction and decided to heed what people were saying. That’s good, isn’t it?
How is it good to tell people what you think they want to hear when you know you can't deliver it and will let them down, again.

OLD BOY 02-08-2022 15:24
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Well obviously she believed she could deliver, otherwise she wouldn’t have suggested it, would she? :rolleyes:

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Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36130133)
Who would have thought that when we need 40,000 nurses, 50,000 doctors, 6,000 police officers, 100,000 care workers etc that the best way to recruit them would be to cut the salary? Only the caring conservatives think that much of 'hard working people'. They really should be ashamed that one of the 'best' 2 candidates for the top job suggested it and that nobody saw there'd be a backlash. Wow, just wow.
Nobody has cut salaries, and the NHS is a black hole which is not delivering.

Paul 02-08-2022 15:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36130110)
Liz Truss has backtracked on her plan to pay civil servants outside of London less: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62390016
Of course she has, what on earth made her think that telling people who live outside of London that you're going to pay them less was a good plan :dozey: [especially atm].

Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36130110)
Tories outside of London clearly concerned how a paycut (or small pay rises) in the North would be perceived by voters.
Why does everyone quote "The North".
Newsflash, the country has a "Midlands" as well.

OLD BOY 02-08-2022 15:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36130133)
Why don't we build a big wall round the poorer areas while we're at it, you know to keep the riffraff in?
Yes, it’s a bad look, isn’t it, and I am not surprised that Labour would object to it. However, instead of getting all political about it, tell me why it makes sense for people doing the same work in the same organisation getting paid exactly the same when those living in a different part of the country can buy more because of where they work and live. Surely, they should have the same spending power?

If you want total equality, that’s the road you would take. Unfortunately, the equality warriors are not wired to apply common sense.

TheDaddy 02-08-2022 15:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36130140)
Well obviously she believed she could deliver, otherwise she wouldn’t have suggested it, would she? :rolleyes:
What like when she encouraged people to illegally fight in Ukraine you mean :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

She's a car crash and the perfect figure head for that shower of a parliamentary party

GrimUpNorth 02-08-2022 15:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36130145)
Yes, it’s a bad look, isn’t it, and I am not surprised that Labour would object to it. However, instead of getting all political about it, tell me why it makes sense for people doing the same work in the same organisation getting paid exactly the same when those living in a different part of the country can buy more because of where they work and live. Surely, they should have the same spending power?

If you want total equality, that’s the road you would take. Unfortunately, the equality warriors are not wired to apply common sense.
So it's not levelling up anymore, it's levelling down. I take it from your comment you'd quite like the idea of building walls. However, instead of getting all political about it, tell me what level of universal disposable income should we aim for? How much are you willing to sacrifice so you're equal to the people in the most deprived areas of the country? Many of those people you think should be behind a wall are really struggling and many of them work for organisations which already pay the same poultry wage across the county. So tell me, in your socialist utopia where everyone is paid the right amount for their area, just how little is enough?

joglynne 02-08-2022 16:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36130144)
Of course she has, what on earth made her think that telling people who live outside of London that you're going to pay them less was a good plan :dozey: [especially atm].


Why does everyone quote "The North".
Newsflash, the country has a "Midlands" as well.
The Midlands don't exist Paul. You should have realised by now that anywhere north of the Watford Gap is considered to be in the North of England. :D :D :D

Damien 02-08-2022 16:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36130144)
Of course she has, what on earth made her think that telling people who live outside of London that you're going to pay them less was a good plan :dozey: [especially atm].
Because at some point she needs to come up with some plans about how she'll save money and this grabbed this idea.


Quote:
Why does everyone quote "The North".
Newsflash, the country has a "Midlands" as well.
Everything North of the M25 is 'The North' to me. :D

Mr K 02-08-2022 17:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36130129)

Well, exactly. It is far more expensive to live and work in London.
Than where? There are some equally expensive places 'up norf', with poorer public transport and more expensive commuting options. Variations within regions can be massive, between run down city suburbs and posh rural areas.
The whole concept is nuts as the nutty woman has had to admit herself. Hardly 'levelling up' was it?

Maybe she should do thinking first. Top tip that. Must be the biggest and quickest u turn by somebody who hasn't even ot the job yet.....

Pierre 02-08-2022 20:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36130144)
Why does everyone quote "The North".
Newsflash, the country has a "Midlands" as well.
When people quote “The North”, they’re colloquially referring to the M62 corridor.

Newcastle, Sunderland, Durham - the North East,

and of course yes the Midlands (East & West)

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Originally Posted by joglynne (Post 36130150)
The Midlands don't exist Paul. You should have realised by now that anywhere north of the Watford Gap is considered to be in the North of England. :D :D :D
To some……the world doesn’t exist beyond Herts. It is a barren wasteland.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36130156)
Than where? There are some equally expensive places 'up norf',
Yes, but we don’t have to pay £650,000 for a 1 bedroom basement flat.

Quote:
Variations within regions can be massive, between run down city suburbs and posh rural areas.
The whole concept is nuts as the nutty woman has had to admit herself. Hardly 'levelling up' was it?.
Salary dependent on location is a consideration. I wouldn’t work in London if you put a gun to my head, I hate the place, but buying and renting suitable accommodation is prohibitive.

Also just because somewhere may be rural, it doesn’t make posh, many deprived areas could be considered “rural”.

Bottom line is that it comes down to the market, if you’re not paying enough you won’t attract the employees.

Damien 02-08-2022 20:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36130167)
To some……the world doesn’t exist beyond Herts. It is a barren wasteland.
Even some parts of Herts.

Chris 02-08-2022 20:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36130170)
Even some parts of Herts.
Having lived in Hemel Hempstead for 5 years … very much this ^

Dave42 02-08-2022 20:57
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Truss leads Sunak by 69% to 31% in latest Tory members poll

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics...y-members-poll

PM Truss it sure will be carnage awaits

Chris 02-08-2022 21:12
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On the plus side, things are looking up for the domestic cheese industry.

TheDaddy 02-08-2022 21:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36130176)
On the plus side, things are looking up for the domestic cheese industry.
Bet she can't find another country where 98% of the population are lactose intolerant but love cheese :shocking:

Paddy1 02-08-2022 22:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36130145)
Surely, they should have the same spending power?

If you want total equality, that’s the road you would take. Unfortunately, the equality warriors are not wired to apply common sense.
Surely, this should apply to pensions too, yes?

Damien 02-08-2022 22:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paddy1 (Post 36130178)
Surely, this should apply to pensions too, yes?
Think how much that would save the taxpayer! Pensions is a huge bill. Truss should try it.

GrimUpNorth 02-08-2022 22:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36130179)
Think how much that would save the taxpayer! Pensions is a huge bill. Truss should try it.
I wonder what percentage of the paid up Conservative membership is of pension age :erm:.

Sephiroth 02-08-2022 23:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36130110)
Liz Truss has backtracked on her plan to pay civil servants outside of London less: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62390016



Tories outside of London clearly concerned how a paycut (or small pay rises) in the North would be perceived by voters.
She was being silly in the first place. Isn't levelling up supposed to do away with regional salaries? Joining the dots seems not to be her bag.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36130180)
I wonder what percentage of the paid up Conservative membership is of pension age :erm:.
You'll be a pensioner one day, irrespective of any party membership or support.

pip08456 03-08-2022 01:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36130177)
Bet she can't find another country where 98% of the population are lactose intolerant but love cheese :shocking:
Do you have a link for that?

Damien 03-08-2022 09:17
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Sunak wants to class anyone who 'hates' or 'vilifies' Britain as extremists who'll be targetted by anti-terrorism laws. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...proposals.html

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The former chancellor said he would extend the Government’s definition of ‘extremism’ to include those who attack British values and ‘our very existence’ if he becomes prime minister.
Not a slippery slope at all.

TheDaddy 03-08-2022 09:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36130188)
Do you have a link for that?
Pretty sure you were given one the last time you badgered me on this during the brexit transition period thread, not sure why you're so fascinated by Japanese toiletry habits but it's well known between 70%- 98% are lactose intolerant and when you think about it for a moment it's not surprising, they haven't had thousands of years to get used to the joys of dairy, the fact they love it regardless says more about their strength of character than the cleanliness of their toilets imo

OLD BOY 03-08-2022 11:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36130146)
What like when she encouraged people to illegally fight in Ukraine you mean :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

She's a car crash and the perfect figure head for that shower of a parliamentary party
Every politician makes gaffes. Labour isn’t immune, so don’t kid yourself.

Liz Truss should turn out to be a fine PM.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36130147)
So it's not levelling up anymore, it's levelling down. I take it from your comment you'd quite like the idea of building walls. However, instead of getting all political about it, tell me what level of universal disposable income should we aim for? How much are you willing to sacrifice so you're equal to the people in the most deprived areas of the country? Many of those people you think should be behind a wall are really struggling and many of them work for organisations which already pay the same poultry wage across the county. So tell me, in your socialist utopia where everyone is paid the right amount for their area, just how little is enough?
As I said, the proposed policy was about spending power. The principle has already been established with London Weighting. It’s just developing on that theme.

You don’t seem to understand that the glaring disparity between public and private sector wages in deprived areas is what keeps companies from investing in these areas. Ultimately, as more companies establish themselves in these deprived areas, they will become wealthier parts of the UK and wages will rise naturally.

This is what people with a Left-wing disposition just don’t get. They’d rather see deprived areas remain deprived so the inhabitants will vote Labour. The signs are that red wall populations are beginning to grasp that Labour’s approach is keeping them down.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36130156)
Than where? There are some equally expensive places 'up norf', with poorer public transport and more expensive commuting options. Variations within regions can be massive, between run down city suburbs and posh rural areas.
The whole concept is nuts as the nutty woman has had to admit herself. Hardly 'levelling up' was it?

Maybe she should do thinking first. Top tip that. Must be the biggest and quickest u turn by somebody who hasn't even ot the job yet.....
As expensive as London? No way, Mr K!

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paddy1 (Post 36130178)
Surely, this should apply to pensions too, yes?
Yes. But local government and civil service pensions are based on salary, so that is taken care of in any case.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36130195)
Sunak wants to class anyone who 'hates' or 'vilifies' Britain as extremists who'll be targetted by anti-terrorism laws. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...proposals.html

.
Some on here had better watch it, then!

pip08456 03-08-2022 11:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36130197)
Pretty sure you were given one the last time you badgered me on this during the brexit transition period thread, not sure why you're so fascinated by Japanese toiletry habits but it's well known between 70%- 98% are lactose intolerant and when you think about it for a moment it's not surprising, they haven't had thousands of years to get used to the joys of dairy, the fact they love it regardless says more about their strength of character than the cleanliness of their toilets imo
I'm not interested in Japan. Your comment was in reply to a UK issue.

TheDaddy 03-08-2022 13:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36130201)
Every politician makes gaffes. Labour isn’t immune, so don’t kid yourself.

Liz Truss should turn out to be a fine PM.[COLOR="Silver"]
A gaffe makes you look stupid, inciting people to break the law or indeed giving a hostile nation the ability to imprison one of our citizens longer isn't a gaffe, it's careless negligence and highlights exactly how inappropriate these people are for the office they hold

Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36130212)
I'm not interested in Japan. Your comment was in reply to a UK issue.
Actually my comment was about the future pm and her Japanese cheese deal, anymore inane questions, no, good

Itshim 03-08-2022 17:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36130133)
Who would have thought that when we need 40,000 nurses, 50,000 doctors, 6,000 police officers, 100,000 care workers etc that the best way to recruit them would be to cut the salary? Only the caring conservatives think that much of 'hard working people'. They really should be ashamed that one of the 'best' 2 candidates for the top job suggested it and that nobody saw there'd be a backlash. Wow, just wow.

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Why don't we build a big wall round the poorer areas while we're at it, you know to keep the riffraff in?
Yes please:shocked:

GrimUpNorth 03-08-2022 20:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36130235)
Yes please:shocked:
Or maybe build the walls round the richer areas?

daveeb 03-08-2022 20:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36130245)
Or maybe build the walls round the richer areas?
They seem to do that already especially in the US, with an armed security guard on the gates for good measure.

GrimUpNorth 03-08-2022 20:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by daveeb (Post 36130246)
They seem to do that already especially in the US, with an armed security guard on the gates for good measure.
We came close to buying a house in a gated community but Mrs G raised the good point of why do 2 people need a house with 4 bathrooms. I think we're much happier where we ended up - surrounded by normal people who don't think their something special.

daveeb 04-08-2022 11:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36130247)
We came close to buying a house in a gated community but Mrs G raised the good point of why do 2 people need a house with 4 bathrooms. I think we're much happier where we ended up - surrounded by normal people who don't think their something special.
Totally agree, except for the four bathroom bit. We have four "adults" in the house and one bathroom (about to become two but could do with even more :D). I suspect No10 doesn't suffer from this problem especially when Carrie was in residence.

GrimUpNorth 04-08-2022 16:37
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I wonder what new fruit the magic money tree will bear tonight during the Sky News debate as there're 160,000 voters in need of a bribe after today's news of another interest rate rise, the prediction of inflation well in double figures, energy bills rising possibly every quarter and projected negative growth (recession) through to the end of next year. I'll never stop being surprised just how much the country can afford when it matters despite us being apparently broke :shocked:.

Damien 04-08-2022 16:54
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The BBC News Economic Editor pointed out today's BoE statement means the £30 billion headroom with Truss keeps spending on tax cuts and spending commitments will be swallowed up.

1andrew1 04-08-2022 18:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36130295)
I wonder what new fruit the magic money tree will bear tonight during the Sky News debate as there're 160,000 voters in need of a bribe after today's news of another interest rate rise, the prediction of inflation well in double figures, energy bills rising possibly every quarter and projected negative growth (recession) through to the end of next year. I'll never stop being surprised just how much the country can afford when it matters despite us being apparently broke :shocked:.
Is Truss still promising 2.5% growth this year?

Itshim 04-08-2022 19:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36130245)
Or maybe build the walls round the richer areas?
Sound good:angel:

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Quote:
Originally Posted by daveeb (Post 36130246)
They seem to do that already especially in the US, with an armed security guard on the gates for good measure.
Yep the house l have in BR has this , but looks like l am stuck in the UK for a while longer , granddaughter wants to continue to study at Oxford , so her dad will pay if l stay put, talk about blackmail :erm:. Still will make the most of vacations to get back , COVID permitting.missing New Orleans night life .

Mad Max 04-08-2022 19:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36130313)
Sound good:angel:

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Yep the house l have in BR has this , but looks like l am stuck in the UK for a while longer , granddaughter wants to continue to study at Oxford , so her dad will pay if l stay put, talk about blackmail :erm:. Still will make the most of vacations to get back , COVID permitting.missing New Orleans night life .
Where's that, Itshim?

Hugh 04-08-2022 19:54
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Baton Rouge, Louisiana?

OLD BOY 04-08-2022 20:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36130307)
Is Truss still promising 2.5% growth this year?
When did she promise that? 2.5% is a target that needs to be met by the next election or at least 2025, I thought.

Mr K 04-08-2022 20:14
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The BOE has forecast a financial crisis for the UK today. Where are the PM and our Chancellor ? Having their jolly hols....
What a blankety blank shambles of a 'government'. ,

Paul 04-08-2022 21:17
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Everyone has holidays, how is it a "shambles" - what exactly do you think they are going to do today they they cannot do in a few days time ?

RichardCoulter 04-08-2022 22:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36130295)
I wonder what new fruit the magic money tree will bear tonight during the Sky News debate as there're 160,000 voters in need of a bribe after today's news of another interest rate rise, the prediction of inflation well in double figures, energy bills rising possibly every quarter and projected negative growth (recession) through to the end of next year. I'll never stop being surprised just how much the country can afford when it matters despite us being apparently broke :shocked:.
It only ever seems to get shaken when it suits them.

1andrew1 05-08-2022 00:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36130323)
The BOE has forecast a financial crisis for the UK today. Where are the PM and our Chancellor ? Having their jolly hols....
What a blankety blank shambles of a 'government'. ,
In fairness, it is August which traditionally is a slow news month so a good one for Ministers to take off.

Mr K 05-08-2022 06:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36130367)
In fairness, it is August which traditionally is a slow news month so a good one for Ministers to take off.
In my work we can't all go off on leave at the same time. Good time for Putin/or China to to pull a fast one...

GrimUpNorth 05-08-2022 08:21
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I'm sure inflation at more than 13% will also push up the cost of foreign holidays, so you can't blame the PM and Chancellor for getting away before the mess they've helped create fully hits prices.

Mick 05-08-2022 09:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36130369)
In my work we can't all go off on leave at the same time. Good time for Putin/or China to to pull a fast one...
Get a grip FFS. Two people have gone on their hols, they are entitled to them, if they were still here, that would not still have satisfied you either. You’re just whinging for the sake of whinging, as per usual. :rolleyes:

mrmistoffelees 05-08-2022 09:58
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The perception isn't great (shades of Nero fiddles) in reality they should and will be contactable, it's not as if a physical presence is required.....

1andrew1 05-08-2022 10:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36130389)
The perception isn't great (shades of Nero fiddles) in reality they should and will be contactable, it's not as if a physical presence is required.....
The Brexit Opportunities Minister [sic] may disagree. ;)

mrmistoffelees 05-08-2022 10:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36130396)
The Brexit Opportunities Minister [sic] may disagree. ;)
:D:D:D:D

sorry i missed you, oh, you've gone to Portugal... fair enough then

OLD BOY 05-08-2022 10:31
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Deleted - point already made.

Damien 05-08-2022 11:05
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https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...ed-urban-areas

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Rishi Sunak boasted of taking money from “deprived urban areas” to help wealthy towns
A leaked video shows the former chancellor saying that Labour “shoved all the funding into deprived urban areas” and that “needed to be undone”.

noel43 05-08-2022 11:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36130389)
The perception isn't great (shades of Nero fiddles) in reality they should and will be contactable, it's not as if a physical presence is required.....
As in Afghanistan ?

1andrew1 05-08-2022 12:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36130400)
This seems to show a lack of belief in levelling-up.

Paul 05-08-2022 12:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36130369)
In my work we can't all go off on leave at the same time. Good time for Putin/or China to to pull a fast one...
So only two people work at your place then ?

I suppose you all work over christmas as well.

Mick 05-08-2022 13:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36130400)
He should be toast after this. Utterly Despicable.

Pierre 05-08-2022 13:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36130407)
He should be toast after this. Utterly Despicable.
How to see your political career go up in flames.

Potential PM to zero in about 14 seconds

It’s impressive.

Damien 05-08-2022 13:35
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I wonder if the Tories will look to change the rules in future so that leadership elections whilst in Government are limited to the Parliamentary Party. This summer of having the candidates appeal to this very narrow, very unrepresentative, electorate has had a few damaging moments for them.

I think limiting it to the MPs only would be quicker and you can argue they have a wider mandate given they represent a lot more people. They are the MPs the wider public elected into Government, they can claim to therefore have more right to choose who the PM is than a bunch of randoms.

TheDaddy 05-08-2022 13:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36130404)
This seems to show a lack of belief in levelling-up.
The other one is no better with her regional pay boards, I don't get the crass incompetence of it all, anyone with anything about them would make absolute mincemeat out of them, still apparently we get the politicians we deserve, almost makes you long for the heady days of Blair, Brown and Cameron :erm: don't it, no not really

papa smurf 05-08-2022 14:43
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36130410)
How to see your political career go up in flames.

Potential PM to zero in about 14 seconds

It’s impressive.
He robbed poor peter to pay tarquin, impressive.

Mr K 05-08-2022 14:50
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He robbed poor peter to pay tarquin, impressive.
It's what Conservatives do, so what's the problem? :shrug:

Dave42 05-08-2022 14:52
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He robbed poor peter to pay tarquin, impressive.
that is the tory way gap always gets bigger under tories

1andrew1 05-08-2022 14:56
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The other one is no better with her regional pay boards, I don't get the crass incompetence of it all, anyone with anything about them would make absolute mincemeat out of them, still apparently we get the politicians we deserve, almost makes you long for the heady days of Blair, Brown and Cameron :erm: don't it, no not really
I think Starmer's quite happy letting the two of them tear oneanother apart. ;)

Mick 05-08-2022 15:15
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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36130416)
that is the tory way gap always gets bigger under tories
Your solution though is take wealth off richest and spread it around, for equal measure, everyone has same wealth, doesn’t matter if people stay at home or earn a living, although they don’t need to because staying at home pays same. Breakdown of public services happens overnight. That’s the Labour way.

Damien 05-08-2022 15:55
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36130420)
Your solution though is take wealth off richest and spread it around, for equal measure, everyone has same wealth, doesn’t matter if people stay at home or earn a living, although they don’t need to because staying at home pays same. Breakdown of public services happens overnight. That’s the Labour way.
I think the public services are way worse now than they were in 2010.

NHS waiting lists have just been increasing:

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2022/08/3.png

Mick 05-08-2022 16:22
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I think the public services are way worse now than they were in 2010.

NHS waiting lists have just been increasing:

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2022/08/3.png
And it would get worse under a socialist regime, why should doctors & nurses work when no one else wants to. Living in an Equal shared wealth society, is a disaster.

Sephiroth 05-08-2022 16:27
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I wonder if the Tories will look to change the rules in future so that leadership elections whilst in Government are limited to the Parliamentary Party. This summer of having the candidates appeal to this very narrow, very unrepresentative, electorate has had a few damaging moments for them.

I think limiting it to the MPs only would be quicker and you can argue they have a wider mandate given they represent a lot more people. They are the MPs the wider public elected into Government, they can claim to therefore have more right to choose who the PM is than a bunch of randoms.
Here's the problem as I see it.

The MPs bet according to their best chances of advancement.

As you can see, when it comes down to the final two, the nodding dogs are split roughly 50/50 according to their bet and thus their hopes for office,

Those nodding dogs, mostly, are the ones who have run the country so badly under both May and Johnson.

The wider membership are not impressed with Sunak for reason already discussed; they're not impressed with Truss, particularly because she came promoted a barmy idea to cut the wages of regional people notwithstanding the levelling up plan. She then said she's honest, will tell the truth and then weasel worded her answers to the hard questions that Kay Burley put to her.

I'm so disappointed that the outsiders never made it to the cut. I might even have to vote for Truss so that Sunak doesn't slide in under ther "none of the above" trap.

Dave42 05-08-2022 16:39
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36130420)
Your solution though is take wealth off richest and spread it around, for equal measure, everyone has same wealth, doesn’t matter if people stay at home or earn a living, although they don’t need to because staying at home pays same. Breakdown of public services happens overnight. That’s the Labour way.
where has anyone every said everybody has to have the same wealth it never happened in history and never will. What is wrong with wanted to gap to close a bit not get bigger and as for public services they on there knee as usually happens under the tories and what services is gonna be cut for tax cut promises Truss has made you said yourself it Utterly Despicable what Sunak said about making gap bigger

Mick 05-08-2022 16:52
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where has anyone every said everybody has to have the same wealth it never happened in history and never will. What is wrong with wanted to gap to close a bit not get bigger and as for public services they on there knee as usually happens under the tories and what services is gonna be cut for tax cut promises Truss has made you said yourself it Utterly Despicable what Sunak said about making gap bigger
Pretty certain winter of discontent happened under Labour, bin staff strikes, funeral workers striking, dead bodies piling up on street, and power going off at certain times of the day and staying off until next day. All thanks to the union strikes, this was public services on its knees.

It’s not about closing the gap, it’s about Labour leaning for a socialist state, that’s the gap closed and absolutely nobody aiming to work for a living, because they won’t need to as equal wealth means the stay home folk get same as those in work.

1andrew1 05-08-2022 17:03
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Pretty certain winter of discontent happened under Labour, bin staff strikes, funeral workers striking, dead bodies piling up on street, and power going off at certain times of the day and staying off until next day. All thanks to the union strikes, this was public services on its knees.

It’s not about closing the gap, it’s about Labour leaning for a socialist state, that’s the gap closed and absolutely nobody aiming to work for a living, because they won’t need to as equal wealth means the stay home folk get same as those in work.
I think strikes tend to occur with flat economies and inflation and a government that is struggling to appear competent. Pretty much as we are right now with train strikes, bus strikes and now an eight-day strike at the country's largest container port!

Equal wealth is not a Labour Party policy. Like most parties they will talk about equality of opportunity.

https://news.sky.com/story/felixstow...-week-12666197

Damien 05-08-2022 17:05
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36130423)
And it would get worse under a socialist regime, why should doctors & nurses work when no one else wants to. Living in an Equal shared wealth society, is a disaster.
It didn't get worse between 97-10 though. This current Labour Party, like New Labour, aren't really socialists.

Dave42 05-08-2022 17:13
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36130428)
Pretty certain winter of discontent happened under Labour, bin staff strikes, funeral workers striking, dead bodies piling up on street, and power going off at certain times of the day and staying off until next day. All thanks to the union strikes, this was public services on its knees.

It’s not about closing the gap, it’s about Labour leaning for a socialist state, that’s the gap closed and absolutely nobody aiming to work for a living, because they won’t need to as equal wealth means the stay home folk get same as those in work.
Labour more centre again now thankfully Corbyn booted out thankfully hopefully some of the rest will follow like Diane Abbott and John McDonald ect

Mick 05-08-2022 18:04
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It didn't get worse between 97-10 though. This current Labour Party, like New Labour, aren't really socialists.
Yes they are. Services were dire under Labour during those periods, I disagree.

Damien 05-08-2022 18:24
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36130438)
Yes they are. Services were dire under Labour during those periods, I disagree.
It look Labour a while but waiting lists, and especially quick treatment for cancer, improved quite a bit under Labour: https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/project.../waiting-times

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2022/08/2.jpg

It was Labour who introduced the two-week target for cancer referrals.

Obviously, they need to do it faster than 7 years in Government if they ever get re-elected - not least because I don't think they'll be given the 12 years and counted the Tories get as the waiting lists get longer and longer.

How long should the Tories get to turn it around? This isn't just COVID. The waiting lists had been getting longer and longer for a decade before.

papa smurf 05-08-2022 19:11
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Rishi humiliated as script for supporters exposed highlighting 'stage managed' campaign

The former Chancellor has been ridiculed after sending out a suggested script to his supporters on how to endorse him on social media. It includes preferred stock phrases for Tory members to use when making their case for Mr Sunak to be Prime Minister.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...eadership-race


that loud bang was him shooting himself in the other foot;)

richard-john56 05-08-2022 20:34
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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36130431)
Labour more centre again now thankfully Corbyn booted out thankfully hopefully some of the rest will follow like Diane Abbott and John McDonald ect
Shame the Tories do not kick out the extreme right wing lot as well.

Sephiroth 05-08-2022 21:57
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Originally Posted by richard-john56 (Post 36130444)
Shame the Tories do not kick out the extreme right wing lot as well.
In your mind, what characterises "extreme right wing"?

1andrew1 05-08-2022 22:10
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In your mind, what characterises "extreme right wing"?
Tearing up international agreements, threatening to leave the ECHR, banning protests, deporting refugees to Rwanda, climate change denial...

Sephiroth 05-08-2022 22:49
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36130450)
Tearing up international agreements, threatening to leave the ECHR, banning protests, deporting refugees to Rwanda, climate change denial...
Well, I wasn't asking you but I suppose there's value in receiving wider inputs.

In my mind, "extreme right wing" is a tendency toward forms of racism; a tendency toward autocracy; intolerance of various political thought or religions.

Your list doesn't come anywhere near a right wing ideology.

TheDaddy 05-08-2022 23:15
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36130452)
Well, I wasn't asking you but I suppose there's value in receiving wider inputs.

In my mind, "extreme right wing" is a tendency toward forms of racism; a tendency toward autocracy; intolerance of various political thought or religions.

Your list doesn't come anywhere near a right wing ideology.
Sounds like attacking peoples right to strike or protest might fall into those categories as would potentially making it illegal for people to vilify Britain and obviously by extension them

Sephiroth 05-08-2022 23:23
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Sounds like attacking peoples right to strike or protest might fall into those categories as would potentially making it illegal for people to vilify Britain and obviously by extension them
Certainly the second point you made. But I don’t see the right to strike as being under threat - just a few sensible controls Around it.

TheDaddy 06-08-2022 00:11
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Certainly the second point you made. But I don’t see the right to strike as being under threat - just a few sensible controls Around it.
We've already got sensible controls, put it like this if the same measure was used to return MP's or councillors we wouldn't have any of them and that might not be a bad thing

OLD BOY 06-08-2022 14:18
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Sounds like attacking peoples right to strike or protest might fall into those categories as would potentially making it illegal for people to vilify Britain and obviously by extension them
Obviously you don’t care one iota about the majority whose lives are disrupted by a selfish minority.

Oh, and incidentally, the government has not, and does not intend to ban protests.

Sephiroth 06-08-2022 15:19
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https://news.sky.com/story/rishi-sunak-would-add-vilification-of-uk-to-extremism-definition-if-he-becomes-prime-minister-12664848

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People who vilify the UK will be treated as extremists and could be referred to the government's Prevent programme if Rishi Sunak becomes prime minister.

In a new policy proposal to revive his flagging campaign, the Tory leadership hopeful has said he wants to widen the definition of extremism to include "those with an extreme hatred of our country".
A slippery slope indeed.

And then there's this (same link):

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Mr Sunak also announced proposals to "refocus" Prevent on to Islamic extremism, after the programme to stop terrorism was criticised for focusing too much on right-wing threats.

The former chancellor said Islamic extremism is "by far and away the single largest terror threat to the UK's national security" and accused Prevent of "failing on this front".

Mr Sunak said: "There is no more important duty for a prime minister than keeping our country and our people safe.
How about not allowing the terrorist army that is invading our shores in rubber boats that Saudi or Iran has paid for, who then abscond from their 4 star hotels and then regroup into the jihadist pot from whom we'll likely be hearing from shortly?

Hugh 06-08-2022 16:47
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You do realise that Saudi Arabia and Iran* hate each other, don’t you?

Since the Saudis think Iran is the biggest threat to stability in the wider Middle East, I think it unlikely that they are working with them to infiltrate our country…

*Iran is mainly Shia, and the Saudis are mainly Sunni

Paul 06-08-2022 16:53
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People who vilify the UK will be treated as extremists
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vilify
speak or write about in an abusively disparaging manner.
Does kinda sound a little extreme. :)

Sephiroth 06-08-2022 16:56
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You do realise that Saudi Arabia and Iran* hate each other, don’t you?

Since the Saudis think Iran is the biggest threat to stability in the wider Middle East, I think it unlikely that they are working with them to infiltrate our country…

*Iran is mainly Shia, and the Saudis are mainly Sunni
Of course I know all that - and I never said that the two were in cahoots. But I'm willing to bet that both, particularly Saudi are orchestrating terrorism in the UK.

OLD BOY 06-08-2022 20:30
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People who vilify the UK will be treated as extremists and could be referred to the government's Prevent programme if Rishi Sunak becomes prime minister.
Some people on this Forum need to watch out!

Mr K 06-08-2022 20:39
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Some people on this Forum need to watch out!
Oh dear sounds a bit like 1939 again. Any criticism of the State will be crushed !

Qtx 06-08-2022 20:46
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Sounds like they want us to be like the Americans and be all patriotic.....your either with us or against us. So don't even think of using the hashtag #BrokenBritain or the police will be on your doorstop for a hate crime :P

Have you seen the clip of Sunak in Tunbridge Wells telling the people he has been diverting funds from the poorer areas to the wealthier areas while chancellor?

What amazes me is how thick Labour are. All they need to do is put someone half likeable as their leader and they will win the next election. They just can't manage one simple thing and couldn't back in the Corbyn days either, giving the Tories it on a plate.

We needed the Tories to get in power after Blair and Brown to sort some things out but they were left in power too long.

The lib dems lost all their supporters with the coalition and where they let down their core supporters by conceding some main promises. So they are fairly dead in the water still.

So either we needs a new party to come along who could win by being the least worst option or Labour needs to find someone with charisma and without a past that will haunt them and get their arses in to action and show they are still alive.

The state of politics is diabolical.

Mr K 06-08-2022 20:53
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Originally Posted by Qtx (Post 36130498)
Sounds like they want us to be like the Americans and be all patriotic.....your either with us or against us. So don't even think of using the hashtag #BrokenBritain or the police will be on your doorstop for a hate crime :P

Have you seen the clip of Sunak in Tunbridge Wells telling the people he has been diverting funds from the poorer areas to the wealthier areas while chancellor?

What amazes me is how thick Labour are. All they need to do is put someone half likeable as their leader and they will win the next election. They just can't manage one simple thing and couldn't back in the Corbyn days either, giving the Tories it on a plate.

We needed the Tories to get in power after Blair and Brown to sort some things out but they were left in power too long.

The lib dems lost all their supporters with the coalition and where they let down their core supporters by conceding some main promises. So they are fairly dead in the water still.

So either we needs a new party to come along who could win by being the least worst option or Labour needs to find someone with charisma and without a past that will haunt them and get their arses in to action and show they are still alive.

The state of politics is diabolical.
Why do you need charisma? Just somebody competent would do, from any party would do.

We seem to be choosing leaders based on personality/tweets, rather than policies or their competences, like any other job.

All part of the dumbing down reality tv obsessed culture we've become.

Qtx 06-08-2022 21:09
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36130499)
Why do you need charisma? Just somebody competent would do, from any party would do.

We seem to be choosing leaders based on personality/tweets, rather than policies or their competences, like any other job.

All part of the dumbing down reality tv obsessed culture we've become.
I'm with you on that but whether we like it or not, people will not vote for the most competent person if they have an unlikeable personality or no personality whatsoever, which is the vibe I get from Starmer. Its just how it is. So they need to do what they need to do to get the people who vote based on personality on their side and that means getting someone likeable as their leader

Media has brainwashed many in to this way of thinking. Its not really a consolation but im glad its not as bad as America where they tend to vote the same for life based on what their parents alignment was. Not much consolation when politics are as they are here

TheDaddy 07-08-2022 01:10
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36130474)
Obviously you don’t care one iota about the majority whose lives are disrupted by a selfish minority.

Oh, and incidentally, the government has not, and does not intend to ban protests.
Yeah how selfish of them to fight to keep their jobs, pensions and rights and I'd say if they police can say one loan person protesting is a nuisance and stop them then the right to protest is seriously curtailed for all of us

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36130499)
Why do you need charisma? Just somebody competent would do, from any party would do.

We seem to be choosing leaders based on personality/tweets, rather than policies or their competences, like any other job.

All part of the dumbing down reality tv obsessed culture we've become.
Is bozo charismatic, I was bored of his act after his second appearance on Have I Got News For You, calling people stupid childish names isn't charisma nor is it leadership, might be why the country is in the state it's in now but still he might mumble something in latin later if we're really lucky.

OLD BOY 07-08-2022 12:32
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36130507)
Yeah how selfish of them to fight to keep their jobs, pensions and rights and I'd say if they police can say one loan person protesting is a nuisance and stop them then the right to protest is seriously curtailed for all of us.
What the legislation does is to permit protests but not to obstruct or cause a nuisance to the rest of us. Anarchy is supported by a very tiny proportion of people in this country, and we must clamp down on these people who seem to get a kick out of inconveniencing others.

mrmistoffelees 07-08-2022 12:49
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36130519)
What the legislation does is to permit protests but not to obstruct or cause a nuisance to the rest of us. Anarchy is supported by a very tiny proportion of people in this country, and we must clamp down on these people who seem to get a kick out of inconveniencing others.

The whole point of protest is to draw attention to a situation creating
obstruction or nuisance does that and whilst it is a pain in the backside it’s not the slippery slope to anarchy to which you seem to be trying to draw parallels with.

Imagine the suffragettes movement if they couldn’t cause an obstruction…..

Or, perhaps you would like the free speech zone a la arrested development

TheDaddy 07-08-2022 13:06
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36130519)
What the legislation does is to permit protests but not to obstruct or cause a nuisance to the rest of us. Anarchy is supported by a very tiny proportion of people in this country, and we must clamp down on these people who seem to get a kick out of inconveniencing others.
You're not really into democracy are you

OLD BOY 07-08-2022 15:51
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36130520)
The whole point of protest is to draw attention to a situation creating
obstruction or nuisance does that and whilst it is a pain in the backside it’s not the slippery slope to anarchy to which you seem to be trying to draw parallels with.

Imagine the suffragettes movement if they couldn’t cause an obstruction…..

Or, perhaps you would like the free speech zone a la arrested development
I’m all for free speech. However, obstruction should rightly be against the law. It’s bully boy tactics and should not be tolerated.

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You're not really into democracy are you
You seem to have a strange idea as to what democracy is. It is certainly not about getting your own way through bullying others.

TheDaddy 07-08-2022 16:04
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You seem to have a strange idea as to what democracy is. It is certainly not about getting your own way through bullying others.
The right to protest or withdraw labour are the very cornerstones of a functioning democracy, that's not strange, thinking they're not is strange.

We have some of the toughest strike laws in the world, certainly far tougher than are needed to become an MP in terms of vote percentage but rather than question that you'd rather rally behind the party's imagined enemy

Paul 07-08-2022 16:13
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36130525)
The right to protest or withdraw labour are the very cornerstones of a functioning democracy
Says who ?

Democracy

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Democracy is a form of government in which the people have the authority to deliberate and decide legislation, or to choose governing officials to do so.
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a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.
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control of an organization or group by the majority of its members.
I sure protests and/or the obstruction of people going about their lawful business are not actual requirements for democracy, nor are strikes (which often benefit no-one).

Damien 07-08-2022 16:16
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The right to strike or protest should be protected though and it's very naive to think that the more power you are willing to give the Government to curtail people's rights won't, at some point, be used against you.

mrmistoffelees 07-08-2022 16:57
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36130523)
I’m all for free speech. However, obstruction should rightly be against the law. It’s bully boy tactics and should not be tolerated.

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You seem to have a strange idea as to what democracy is. It is certainly not about getting your own way through bullying others.
So, how would you have handled the suffragettes? Had they not protested the way they had they probably would not have achieved their aims

TheDaddy 07-08-2022 17:18
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36130527)
Says who ?
The UN, ECHR, you know the types this government demonise where ever possible


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