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it could be sorted with a tree and a length of rope :shocked:

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Are you aluding here to Trump's Father's KKK hobbies?

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Proof of the pudding as always is in the eating.

PMQs: Theresa May vows to set out full Brexit plans in white pape

"I recognise I set out that bold plan for a global Britain last week... I can confirm to the House that our plan will be set out, in a white paper, set out in this House", she says.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...s-labour-will/

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The plan may be but not the detail. Going into detail would do more harm than good.

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nothing so dramatic:shocked: i was alluding to hanging a few mp's to assist in the brexit process;)

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Who cares what they think, they're not a real government anyway

I don't think that's relevant, it's going to happen and now it's going to happen properly and legally, I find it amusing that one of the biggest moans of Brextremist's is that we need our own laws to be sacrosanct and then at the first opportunity denounce them.

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The Article 50 Bill has been published. It is brief, to say the least.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2017/01/4.jpg

Via: https://order-order.com/2017/01/26/r...thdrawal-bill/

I can't wait to see how the SNP try to find 50 amendments in that.

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I'm wondering about that as well.....:D

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The same way they found a 'credible' economic plan for Scotland?... :D

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You were right, although today's Bill is way too wordy imho. ;).
I would have set it to a jaunty little ditty from the Sound of Music and simply said:

So long, farewell auf wiedersehen, adieu
Adieu, adieu, to yieu and yieu and yieu.

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I much prefer your version!:D

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Tulip Siddiq, who voted in favour of holding a referendum, has resigned from Corbys frontbench because she does not support the triggering of article 50

So tell me again why did she vote to hold a referendum if she had no intention of honouring it?

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Because like many she just assumed the result of the referendum would be to remain but then we the british public turned everything on it's head and haven't we angered some of them.

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Tough titties, it's about time some of them actually realised that 'we' are their employers.

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Her constituency is 75% remain. I think, might be one of the other ones.

Anyway this article highlights the problem for Labour: http://www.newstatesman.com/politics...ing-article-50

Labour are sitting on the new fault line in British politics.

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Best thing for politics in this country would be for labour to disappear and be replaced by a new centreist party with the lib dems staying where they are for the minority that like them. This vacumn of opposition in the UK is doing nobody any favours and clearly corbyn won't do whats best for the nation and democracy and stand down so best thing is he rides labour into political irrelevance.

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but Corbyn was elected in a democratic vote by the party membership .

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He was elected by a group that took over not traditional labour party members under him labour have gone back forty years and become as unelectable as they ever were under michael foot. We don't have time for labour to take years to sort out this mess UK democracy needs a strong and effective opposition now or we all suffer.

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The biggest problem to overcome is voter apathy. This is what allowed a minority group to take over the Labour party and allowed Blair in.

The majority of "Joe public" are tired of politicians and their never ending failed promises.

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Corbyn is evidence of how too much democracy can be a bad thing. Here we have an important role, leader of the opposition, decided by a very small minority of the country. There isn't mass participation in party politics in the UK so the small amount of people who do get involved have a disproportionate influence which is made worse by the fact we're talking about a specific demographic that are unrepresentative of the wider country. Combine all of that and you end up with Corbyn.

Of course the parties have protection against this by having leadership shortlists decided by their Parliamentary party. The MPs typically represent a wider section of the country than their membership by virtue of the fact they're elected by ordinary voters in larger numbers. It also ensures that the party leaders do have substianial backing from their MPs. The stupidest thing Labour have done in years was nominating Corbyn 'to widen the debate'.

In short. Democracy is rubbish when participation is so low. It means fringe candidates voted for by unrepresentative, and motivated, voters do very well at the expense of everyone else.

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there's just no answer to that :shocked:

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You could try. Especially since I expanded on the point to make it clear what I meant.

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Good that only 150 staff are leaving as other banks are talking about far higher numbers

Barclays Picks Dublin as Post-Brexit EU Headquarters
Barclays Plc has settled on Dublin for its main hub inside the European Union after Brexit and is planning to add about 150 staff there if U.K.-based finance companies lose easy access to the trading bloc, according to people with knowledge of the decision.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...s-after-brexit

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I really have no idea why so many people are getting so wound up over this. London is one of the world's major financial hubs, quite possibly *the* financial hub, dealing with vast flows of capital in an equally vast number of currencies and territories, almost all of which are not in the European Union. Banks whose base of operations are in London place satellite offices wherever they require them, to facilitate business and to satisfy local regulations. Without "passporting" rights into the EU, banks based in London wishing to continue dealing in Euros in the Eurozone will have to place an office with staff inside the zone. Big fat hairy deal: this does not mean they're going to up sticks and move their entire operation to Frankfurt at the same time. In fact, as Barclays has just shown, Frankfurt has no right to expect to be the natural choice for any of it. Dublin speaks the same language and is in the same time zone as London. Clearly that counts for something.

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Loss of financial services is the big hammer to hit brexiters with in accepting a watered down leave deal that so many want and most of those spreading the fear let alone those on the end of it understand what utter rubbish it is. It's a continuation of the doom and gloom campaign that has been the remain side since day one and it's brilliant that for all their talk of how good the EU is not a single positive issue was campaigned on it's was a constant deluge of fear and negative campaigning. Lets get this through the houses of incompetence and trigger article 50.

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I think it's called clutching at straws. :D

I have a feeling that not so long ago a good many of these people would have been baying for banker blood only too happy for those terrible parasites to up sticks and leave. Many also seem to concern themselves only with the costs/risks arising from the UK leaving the EU whilst totally ignoring the considerable risks of staying within it. Odd that... :shrug:

Anyone would think that the EU is a model of social and economic success.

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they know the cost of everything and the value of nothing;)

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What are the risks of staying in the EU? Just the original Project Fear that's been repeated for the last 25 years that the EEC/EC/EU will fail. Never rule out some countries being kicked out but the EU will be around for a long time.

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Eh? The EU is facing huge social and economic problems which haven't been present or part of any 'project fear' for the last 25 years. The main reason being it's insistence on expansion into nations which aren't compatible with a one size fits all economic policy and a single currency. You talk as those there'll be no costs or risks to the EU if the likes of Greece are forced out of the Euro - they'll just leave and go on their merry way along with all the others whose economies are being propped up. I suppose there are no social risks either - consequences of mass unemployment in Spain, for example or Merkel's open door.

I've never pretended that leaving the EU is risk free or a panacea for all our ills but presenting the risks/costs as being solely on the side of leaving the EU is patent nonsense.

It seems from your opening remark that you perceive Brexit as a bad thing and aren't prepared to admit that staying in could just turn out to be far worse. You're entitled to that opinion of course but please don't try to present the alternative to Brexit as somehow being a safe option. It clearly isn't.

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Plus it's geographically closer to New York and has recently had two new high capacity cables Trans-Atlantic communications connecting to the USA.

I think Dublin would trounce Frankfurt and Paris as the logical choice.

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As I've said the french and germans trying to topple london as the european financial capital are not new they have been trying for decades and will continue long after brexit is done and dusted.

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It's all about relative risk. There is always a risk in doing something and a risk in not doing something. How risky is leaving the EU compared to the status quo? In this instance, the overwhelming view is that leaving the EU is riskier than staying within it. This is demonstrated by the Pound's substantial devaluation so it's an aggregated opinion of millions of decision-makers and not just me.
For a Brit living in Gibraltar, things have never felt more uncertain. For the millions of retired ex-pats in France and Spain concerned about their healthcare access, things are equally uncertain.
In terms of the Euro, having weaker economic countries in the Eurozone has advantages and disadvantages. It helps Germany maintain a competitive manufacturing economy which would likely have shifted eastwards if it had retained its own currency.

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Each bank will have different circumstances. HSBC owns a large French investment bank so is gearing up to move 1,000+ jobs to Paris. Other French- and German-owned banks may favour their home countries or be leant upon to favour them.

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Yes the relative risk of being in control of our laws, economic policy etc etc as opposed to the risk of having them dictated by single-minded Eurocrats who've proved themselves to be utterly intransigent for decades. I know which risk I perceive to be the greater.

How many foreign companies will need/want to open up offices in the UK when we're out of their club? It's not going to be a one way street so let's not pretend it is.

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Staying in is NOT the status quo. History has taught us that there is serious mission creep in the EU. We joined a common trading block in 74 and just look at what it has become. Another 40 years and the UK would be unrecognisable as a separate country. The phrase "Ever closer union" is not just some words. It would have serious implications on all aspects of our society, social services and health care.

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It's academic but no way would the UK have agreed to deeper integration. That's another original project fear.

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Remind me of the number of banks relocating operations to the UK? None.

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Exactly Hero in a decade or two there would have been no UK in real terms just a regional representation in some U.S.E and brexit has brought that plan to a sudden halt. Plans for a single european military, single european police force and single european justice system all were envisaged for 2025 but have now been paused following brexit so status quo is a load of rubbish and the pro EU brigade know it's a load of rubbish they knew just as most of us did the future plans.

This is why i say neither leave or remain has any high ground when it comes to misrepresentation of facts or out and out lies they are both as bad as one another with the majority of us being far in the middle away from both lunatic fringes.

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It's hard to understand how we would avoid becoming more integrated had we voted to stay ,even had the referendum not happened i think eventually we would have become more integrated .

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You don't KNOW that. It would only take another ambitious politician like Blair who, remember, got us signed up to all manner of EU stuff in his drive to be EU president. We, the people, never got a say on any of it.

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What a strange and ignorant question.

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lol

Didn't you know all the foreign banks are quitting the City? The Barclays 150 is just the start and it's it like virtually all the world's major banks already have offices in the City is it?... :D

On the other hand it might just be a particularly feeble attempt at yet more scaremongering posed by someone who's really so fixated on remaining tied to the EU that nothing else matters, even their self respect. That's my bet.

Yes it's all one way traffic - the UK can't survive on its own, the banks will run to Frankfurt and the economy will implode because the EU countries will refuse to sell us their stuff or take ours. Companies will all desert the UK because they'll all prefer ever more onerous EU style regulation and French style strikes. As a supposedly balanced argument it's bizarre which is all the evidence required that it's not balanced at all, it's just more post Brexit apocalypse guff which only ever acknowledges one side of the argument.

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Edit to original post (ran out of time).

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Not really if you read the post I quoted.

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We managed to avoid anything deeper since Gordon Brown's time and doubt any politicians would have found it electorally attractive to do so. The way things were going was leading to a two-speed Europe with countries like the UK and Denmark on the outer core remaining as they were and countries like France and Germany in the central core integrating more deeply.

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lol. My original post was upbeat about there only being 150 staff relocating. Never mind, no pleasing some people.

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Each major EU treaty has included elements of further integration and the suggestion of a two speed EU was basically ended not long after it was first mentioned by senior EU representatives. The end goal of the EU hasn't been in any doubt for a few years and has actually had pro United Europe people telling us all the sooner the better. It's patently ridiculous to pretend brexit is nothing but risks and negatives and remaining in the EU was all sunshine and roses with no risks or negatives at all the EU is in a very precarious position and is a lot closer to failure then success.

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Brexit campaigner says death threats could force her to leave UK after £5,000 bounty put on her head
Gina Miller, who won a legal battle to stop Theresa May bypassing Parliament while taking Britain out of the EU, says she is constantly looking over her shoulder

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...hreats-9712238

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Whether one agrees with her or not this is totally unacceptable in a civilised society.

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which part ?
1 the threats
2 running away from a problem that is a result of what she instigated in court
3 both

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The threats but you knew that anyway papa.:)

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i just wanted to clarify your position and of course you are right ,but there is an element out there that clearly think differently .
death threats and other threats of violence will solve nothing but people still make them .

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You seriously think that she should accept death threats as a consequence of ensuring democracy takes its proper course .What about the brexiter that went to court with her ,is he receiving death threats

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Whilst I don't think she should be getting death threats, she's a bit silly & naive to think the entire country was going to be clapping and cheering her on, should have stayed anonymous - silly moo.

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Sadly as we know there is a element of this in every country in the world and has been since the dawn of time and that will still be there when we have all gone the way of the dodo sadly..

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she wasn't silly or naive at all ,her only fault was crediting people with more intelligence and there were plenty of people on here baying for her blood because they thought she was trying to reverse the result

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sadly so true there are those who will not tolerate a view or action that differs from their own ,they resort to veiled and not so veiled threats ,they try to bully others into accepting their warped views ,and use tools like the internet to press their bullying agenda and viewpoint onto others ,they follow others around the internet/ social media constantly trying to provoke them into arguments by misquoting or deliberately misinterpreting what people have said or done ,but thankfully most of these keyboard warriors tend to stay hidden in their bedrooms .

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I think there's a touch of victim-blaming going on here.

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She may not have been trying to reverse the result, she couldn't do that. But she was certainly trying to obfuscate it.

In reality she has put herself through all this trauma, it has no doubt cost her, or somebody, and the tax payer thousands and it achieved nothing.

article 50 will be triggered, as originally stated, by the end of May, ok so parliament have to vote on it, they won't block it. We've already had a dry run on this vote and went through. So unless lots of MPs have suddenly had a change of mind it will be the same, and if many do change their mind, then good luck at the next election - which would be in a few months.

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What she did ,and lets not forget the brexit voter that accompanied her, is make sure the government didn't overstep their authority.The court case was the public's assurance that Parliament and thus democracy is followed at all times .If you truly believe that she achieved nothing then you are another brexiter that didn't know what they voted for .The reality is that the UK government caused the obfuscation by trying to bypass Parliament ,if they had sat down and thought about it for 5 mins they would have realised that she perfectly correct in what she said but they decided to pursue matters through appeal and in doing so wasted taxpayers money.
All she did was return Democracy to the people which is exactly what you and I voted for.

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Daft mare (and her shadowy backers) actually did us a favour, they have completely legitimised the process, so now in times to come it can't stall because of some 'new' legal issues.

Send her a death threat?

I'm more likely to buy her a pint.

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That was her intention.

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If you say so :)

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I think you're being rather charitable to Ms Miller if you don't mind my saying so.

Her high-minded appeal to democracy was nothing of the sort. As with so many of the entitled, they love democracy to the extent that they believe it serves them. The referendum was tolerable only so long as she and her set believed the outcome would be that we would remain in the EU. Once the result was Leave, and everyone started thinking seriously for the first time about what that might actually mean, it was perfectly understandable that remainers with the resources to do so would begin to seek ways to restrain Brexit from going to its logical conclusion (you know, the one many of us were absolutely up front about all along, though we have repeatedly been accused of not understanding, namely that leaving the EU means actually leaving the EU and not trying to keep one foot inside the very institutions that make it intolerable).

In those very early days post-vote, putting Parliament front and centre was an attractive option because firstly, the court process promised a way of holding the whole thing up and secondly parliament did, and still does, have a natural remain majority of about 75-25. It has only begun to become clear in the last couple of months, long after the court action was initiated, that most MPs, certainly enough of them at any rate, value their seats enough to listen to their constituents on this issue rather than pleasing themselves.

I don't believe for one moment that Gina Miller spent even a second contemplating the outcome of the English Civil War and the way the relationship between Crown and parliament has subsequently developed.

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And it could all have been avoided if Cameron had simply had the referendum to be legally binding rather than advisory. Anyone would think they didn't expect the outcome :O

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I'm afraid i agree her intent was delay not some lofty value of democracy and the hope that the inherent bias towards remaining within parliament would deliver her the outcome she now desires the overturning of the referendum. Also as Chris said the vast majority of leave voters were very clear on what they were voting for complete and total exit from the EU and all it entails. There is no lack of understanding amongst leave voters on what they were voting for in fact it's the remainers that don't seem to understand the current situation with their demands for deals to be done so that we retain access to this and that demonstrating they don't understand the rules of the very organisation they are so in favour of.

Your quite fond of saying how certain people didn't understand what they were voting for Marty perhaps you were the one who wasn't sure as I haven't met anyone either in person or on the net who voted leave and didn't both know and understand what they voted for. While there have been idiots on the brexit side there are plenty on the remain side as well at least we leave voters have the excuse of lower education levels not sure what excuse the better educated remainers have.

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That would have made little difference. Parliament can't bind itself; there is no law it can make that it can't subsequently change. The referendum act might perhaps have included provisions specifically authorising the triggering of A50, and that might have been neater, but it still wouldn't have been binding on parliament and we would by now most likely have court cases seeking to exploit other aspects of the process instead.

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I know exactly what I voted for. I've stated it on here plenty of times. I voted remain - we lost.

I voted to remain because I didn't think leaving with some halfarsed deal like Norway or whoever was worth the grief. There is no point in some halfway house still being tied to free movement, the ECJ, having terms dictated to you.

However, now we voted leave I am of the opinion we leave, with a full on full fat Brexit, ( some thing I've stated on here several times also)

I am in complete agreement with the PM, we leave then negotiate our deal.

Perhaps you can tell me how Ms Miller action has or will alter:

A) the time line of triggering article 50
B) the outcome of triggering article 50

If the answer is, nothing and nothing, then yes sorry you're right, she has achieved a great deal.

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Haha funny:D! No no no no no no no.

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It's typical of those who believe they always know best. They believed they would simply be going through the motions and we'd be too scared to vote the wrong way but it backfired. The trouble is people like that never seem to learn, they're still trying to tell us we didn't really know what we were voting for. :rolleyes:

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Let's face it, that is/was her ultimate aim :shrug:

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Look where Brexit has got us. Having to kowtow to Trump when the rest of the world is denouncing him, because we are now utterly dependent on the racist nutter.

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Brexit has nothing to do with Trump.

Nice try Mr K

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It does now.

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How so?

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see post #3969 (trading partners - lack of options hint, hint...)

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Still has nothing to do with Brexit unless you are inferring Brexit had influence on the US election.

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Mr K's called this one right.
A key reason for Theresa May going to the US was for trade. Firstly, to enhance her bargaining position with the EU by having other countries lined up to take the place of the 440m population EU 27 market. Secondly, in the realisation of the need to establish more options if a good deal with the EU is not concluded.
Theresa May knows that she's dealing with fire but as has been pointed out, she doesn't have too many options and hence decided to take a risk with Trump.

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We make trade deals with countries not presidents, there's no guarantee he'll be in office by the time we leave the EU.

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May would've gone to the US no mattter who had won the election.

Mr K called nothing right.

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She's only PM because David Cameron lost the Brexit vote. If he'd won she'd still be home secretary and missing her targets on immigration.
I doubt David Cameron would have felt the need to hotfoot it over to the US until Trump's mode of operating was better known.

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What's that got to do with the price of bread?

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If, as soon as you throw if into a discussion you are dealing in the realm of fantasy and not reality.

The above is a waste of finger tapping energy.

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Making a trade deal and maintaining good relations with the US is now a bad thing thank god i don't get all self righteous like the twitter crowd and think i know how things should be run. Trump will be president at most for eight years our relations with the US will last significantly longer then that and will benefit us as well as them. To be honest I'm glad cameron lost he showed what an utter coward he was after losing throwing a strop and quitting because things didn't go his way oh yeah we were so much better off with him as PM weren't we i mean he was so respected internationally :rolleyes:.

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To be fair he wasn't he only one who ran away..

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I agree. May's hard Brexit gamble depends on good trade deals and she went to see Trump in the hope that she would be favoured when the eventual trade deal is struck. This is probably why she, against her better personal and political instincts, kept quiet when asked to comment on the Muslim ban.

Trump's "America First" position on trade:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/trade-dea...-all-americans

will mean that when it comes to any deal, if there is a conflict between advantaging the UK over the US then this deal will not happen. Trump's approach to US Trade is a protectionist one and that would, by its very nature, means the UK has poor odds of coming out of this in a better position.

Brexiteers – read the 'Trump Trade Doctrine' and weep. A trade deal with Trump will harm Britain

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I get that some may not appreciate the visit to Trump and Brexit link. Here's a great article that explains things better than me. Everyone can access it in full by Googling the headline.

Donald Trump is a disaster for Brexit
The election of Mr Trump has transformed Brexit from a risky decision into a straightforward disaster. For the past 40 years, Britain has had two central pillars to its foreign policy: membership of the EU and a “special relationship” with the US.
The decision to exit the EU leaves Britain much more dependent on the US, just at a time when America has elected an unstable president opposed to most of the central propositions on which UK foreign policy is based.
Were it not for Brexit — a cause that Mr Johnson enthusiastically championed — the UK government would be able to take an appropriately wary approach to Mr Trump. If Britain had voted to stay inside the EU, the obvious response to the arrival of a pro-Russia protectionist in the Oval Office would be to draw closer to its European allies.
https://www.ft.com/content/fde7616a-...b-c88452263daf

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So it appears Cameron was so convinced about the power of his pro-EU argument that he tried to have the Daily Mail's editor sacked:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38816692

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Dave wasn't all bad then ! Dacre and his paper are pure evil, they showcase the worst of the UK and pander to the worst bigoted people.

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Rather stupid thing to do. I don't like Darce but Rothermere was right to reject the absurd request. Although not directly relevant it also shows why the new press regulation proposals should be rejected, the government shouldn't be anywhere near the press.

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Brexit is happening end of but as for the Daily Mail well the less said about that obnoxious and highly offensive rag the better IMO.

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I don't think Trump is that bad. he's going guns blazing at the min but I think things will settle down. Every president that has had power in the first 6 months or so has caused a wave of people to protest and moan etc.

Look at Obama did't people take a chunk out of him over people losing their homes?

I think Trump will look after the UK. for me the EU is a dead duck it only looks after itself even as a member we were always an outsider

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two avid beano readers complimenting each other its a kodak moment :)

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Correct and like Cameron, Rothermere is pro-EU. It's an almost unbelievably stupid thing to do which ought to make anyone wonder just what was going on in Cameron's head and what pressures were being brought to bear on him at the time.

People can sneer all they like about the newspaper but that's missing what ought to be the main point which is a serving PM trying to get a newspaper editor fired simply because of his stance on the EU. Maybe they think that's OK because they don't like the newspaper.

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SNP (and Kenneth Clarke) lose battle to block Brexit Bill : Majority 236.

For 100
Against 336

So many MP's abstain here that seems a low turn out.

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Embarassing for cameron this coming out and shows how far he was prepared to go to get what he wanted while i have zero time for the mail and think it's a lousy rag kudos to them for not giving in to what was probably a great deal of pressure.

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Bill has passed with huge majority.

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So what do we do about this 60 billion Euro to exit out? should we tell Europe to go screw

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All part of negotiations now. I don't think that's a realistic proposition but I can see us paying something depending what we get in return.

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so what do you call an MP that votes against the will of the majority of the people that they claim to represent ? is there a term we should use to describe them from now on .

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'Turncoat' is a polite term. I can think of others with stars * in :D.

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Well that's got that distraction out of the way now the SNP can go back to scotland and try to encourage them to demand another independence referendum and the others can go back to obscurity.

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Gina Miller wants to work with Government to help negotiate Brexit departure deal

Speaking to DW, she said: “I would really like the Government or the ministers to be more transparent and to be more consultative with people such as myself, business people, people in financial services and different industries to understand the full impact of the different scenarios that Brexit could bring, and the different negotiation packages that could be achieved.”


this lovely woman is so selfless in her quest to help .


http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/761...t-negotiations

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

I'm really not sure how to take gina miller one minute she's a fighter for democracy and the next a victim of harassment and threats which if they were half as bad as she made out after winning her case she'd step back but instead she thinks the UK government should work with her so she can explain the impact of brexit. I'm starting to think there's a lot more motivating her then any real sense of democracy or whats in the national interest and she is coming across as quite arrogant. She won her case and got supposedly what she wanted time for her to poddle off and leave brexit in the hands of government.