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Another fantasy post , none of that makes any commercial sense whatsoever.

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Amazon are known to invest a lot of money into loss leaders to encourage people to buy into their eco system, their own devices are a good example of this,
I doubt much profit if any is derived from their video service, but it again ties subscribers into their systems and services.
We are all speculating and I am on the fence over whether Amazon or any other OTT service will bid for Premier League rights, but if they do I expect it to be for the cheapest package available and I would expect this to be included within a Prime subscription until such time that Amazon have enough sports rights to justify a separate sports subscription.

If my speculation is correct this could be good news for VM TV subscribers as I would expect an Amazon app to appear on Tivo and V6 not long after any announcement is made,
probably not so good news for Sky or BT as Amazon will probably adopt a quid pro quo attitude of denying access to them as long as Amazons content is withheld from their platforms.

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As ever MM you are the speaker of great common sense wisdom on here.

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:p:
We’ll see, muppetman, we’ll see. Hats at the ready...

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You are going to order some spare ones given the way the ball is rolling.:D

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Advice wanted

Does anyone have a UHD streamer and have you used the buy and keep movies services UHD ?

Which is best Apple TV 4K , Chromecast Ultra , Roku Streaming Stick + , Amazon Fire TV 4K ?

What's the cost of UHD movies on iTunes , Google Play, Amazon etc.

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Amazon and Apple UHD content is normally same price as hd now, device wise i'm unsure as i don't yet have 4K tv but my ROKU has always been flawless so imo ROKU are one the best for value devices out there.
Here's a example on Amazon if this helps in anyway https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fury-Ultra-...490&sr=8-2

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Do you know if there's any truth to the claim that SyFy, Universal, E! and Movies 24 are coming to TVPlayer?

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Yes. I got an email confirming those channels are coming soon

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Yes they are which i stated earlier in this thread i think lol.
Also TCM is on it's way too.

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I don't have a 4K TV yet (I hopefully will do by the end of the week though) so I cannot say for certain but I can give you some general advice on my experience of streaming devices.

It seems that Apple have the largest catalogue of 4K movies and they are the same price as HD ones,
now if we were in America I'd recommend paying the extra for the newest ATV as pretty much every US streaming service is available on the platform, but here in poor old Blighty it is missing many apps that other devices have.

The new Amazon Fire TV looks good value for money with some caveats,
firstly if you require an Ethernet connection you will have to spend £13:99 extra on a Ethernet dongle,
secondly their 4k movie catalogue is not very comprehensive but I believe what is available to buy on Amazon is like Apple and the same price as their HD counterparts.
Thirdly the new Fire TV only supports HDR10 and not Dolby Vision if that is important to you.
Fire TV does have the advantage of having nearly all UK services available on it (not Now TV), with the ability to easily sideload others that are not available from Amazon themselves.

Finally I have no experience of Roku but a couple of articles I've read say this is a good choice for 4k movies.

If 4k movies is all you want and you're happy to pay a premium I'd probably say get Apple, but if you want your streamer to do more I'd look at Amazon or Roku

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TV player are certainly showing they mean business.

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One thing to remember with ROKU too is it has all the uk catch up services aswell as netflix, amazon, plutotv, nowtv and now tvplayer so defo the best of the bunch imo.
I only have a ROKU2 i'm getting the 4k soon but the ROKU2 for me has been flawless also skystore is on ROKU too and i think a few other ppv movie services.
I have 2 ROKUs one set up to UK and one for my USA services.

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Thanks.

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I don't think you can get Pluto tv on the Roku in the UK, can you? I'm not able to check at the moment, but will do so later today.

But I do think the Roku is an excellent piece of kit.

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Just treated myself to an Amazon fire stick for a non-smart uncabled tv, very impressed, much quicker than VMs offerings. Only £25.

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Yes, it has a nice, very modern feel about it and it is quick.

As for VM's offerings, the V6 is just as quick. The Tivo was beginning to drive me mad!

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The old tivo more useful as a door stop, i've seen a demo of the v6 and this is going to shock you and Den so you might want to sit down, i was very impressed.

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The old TiVo ain't dead yet as we have one in the second bedroom and it does its job.

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l don't understand you as we both have a V6 already?.

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I normally slate VM products, it was a bit of a joke bud me actually complimenting a VM product would shock you both.

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Just checked - Pluto is not on my Roku, but I think it is on there in the States.

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Yeah it's not on my UK setup ROKU but is on my USA set up one.
Just checked them both.

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The BBC is putting together lots of additional material for Christmas on the i-Player, and they are looking to compete better with the likes of Netflix and Amazon for the future.

The poor old Beeb haven't quite got the hang of this new way of programme delivery. They need to ensure that their material is on there for a lot more than 30 days!

Well, at least they are moving in the right direction - all in the fullness of time!

http://advanced-television.com/2017/...tmas-box-sets/

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Thanks. Do you know if TCM will be on the Freesat version of their app?

Also, as they have had to remove some channels from the Freesat version due to rights restrictions, do you know if a way round this is to be able to simply watch on another device?

Cheers.

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No idea tbh i think the freesat app is tv player light this may be one of the reasons tv player split the packs into two so say freesat customers weren't paying the same as standard customers for less content.

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Interestingly TVplayer are not only getting ITV box office ppvs and Boxnation but looks like they now have their own PPV system in place too, i just got a emailing about a Wrestling ppv (not WWE vince) for £9.95.

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Ahhh right, I didn't know that Freesat customers paid less (was asking for someone else). If this is the case it's unlikely that the missing channels would appear by logging into another device (even if this is possible).

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There are three packs now for tvplayer light £5.99p/m freesat get a cut down version of this i think the other channels would appear if using pc or tablet etc, tv player plus £7.99p/m this includes channels such as GOLD this is not available to freesat customers but is on all other devices, and kids £1.99p/m this also isn't on freesat.
As far as i'm aware itv box office, boxnation and tvplayer ppv is not available to freesat either.

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Have you heard they are going to start offering recording capacity soon? I got an email offering an annual subscription plus 10 hours recording capacity for £59.99

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Not had that email yet mate, one thing is for sure TVplayer aren't messing around.

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How will that work? Will it be recording in the cloud?

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I assume so. They'll probably offer different recording limits for an extra couple of pounds or so. I think they will be making some big changes soon

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That's certainly the way to go, but hopefully the recent ECJ judgement doesn't hamper this idea unduly.

The restriction that concerns me is the time limit. Unless you can access your 'recordings' for at leat 12 months after setting them (18 months would be preferable) then I would still need to record to my box.

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They'll only be available for 30 days based on the information I've seen

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Well, that's rubbish, and no use at all to me! Why do they have to put in place such petty restrictions? I never rely on the i-Player to watch stuff later for this very reason - I'd end up missing so much by not being able to watch it before the 30 days are up.

At least a year would be acceptable, but 18 months would be spot on.

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Also heard they're going to launch their own ppv movie and tv service next year i'm wondering if they'll team up with Wuaki or someone similar for this.

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Sounds more like VOD (along with its usual restrictions) to me than having the ability to record.

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With the cloud, you're not actually recording, you are bookmarking.

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As mentioned by The One got an email from Tvplayer about the British wrestling PPV. £9.95 is pretty steep for 1 event when you consider what you get from the West Network

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BoxNation are embracing social media streaming. They have recently started streaming Bunces Boxing Hour live every Friday night via their Facebook page. On the 13th of December they are streaming the world title fight between Horn and Corcaran on Facebook from Australia from 11:30am. They've also agreed a deal for next weeks double world title show, featuring James DeGale and Lee Selby, to be streamed for free in North America by Showtime via their Facebook and YouTube channels. Interesting time for boxing.

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TVPlayer just tweeted me SYFY is now live on tvplayer it's in the tv player lite pack, also Universal is now there too.

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Amazon Prime Video launches on Apple TV.

http://www.seenit.co.uk/amazon-prime...s-on-apple-tv/

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Still can't see the hold up of launching all these apps on the new tivo. Can't be cost. Surely companies are desperate to get their apps on the tivo!

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Youtube pulled from the Echo and firetv by google, these petty wars are pathetic imo. https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/5/1...w-nest-devices

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Two words "Liberty Global"

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And some saw it as a cert that it would arrive when quite clearly it is not going to arrive.

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Maybe not yet, Den, you can't say it won't ever arrive!

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Do you have proof of this?
Although tbh i think you might be right on this one.

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If it was going to arrive logic says it would have arrived long before now.

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Crikey its usually you who are the pessimist.;)

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Youtube to be pulled from Amazon streaming services from 1st January

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-42251531

Everytime I go into the app on my Fire TV stick I get the notice on my screen confirming the service will be ending soon. This is a shocker, especially after the YouTube app was removed from my LG Smart TV about 3 months ago. Now I'm not going to be able to watch YouTube easily on my TV without additional cost or messing about. Certainly devalues FireTV. I Use YouTube on it every day.

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Already posted on the page before this mate.


Syfy added to nowtv.

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Well Amazons new documentary about Man City has started well, Man United refuse to let them film in away dressing room. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42260564

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Just seen Christmas24 (Movies24) on there so is that a new channel as well?

do they have any more plans for new channels?

They are getting big now.

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It will still be available on the Roku, so this might be a way around the problem for you.

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With the addition of this and the terrestrial catch up players the only remaining issues for a purchase of the 4K box now is the price and the fact YouTube is only available in HD on the device.

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The Roku 4K box only seems to have been officially released in the US. Are there plans for a UK release?


The current Roku box gives me access to every service that I require, including Amazon, Netflix, Now TV, Google Play, YouTube and catchup services: it's my go-to device now.


The only service I don't have acces to is Apple's video. It's just one of those things: there are no devices around at the moment that cover every thing.

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From info they've given me TCM is on it's way, they wanted a deal to bring SKY channels too but SKY are playing hardball at moment but BT are interested in AMC and BTsport being available on tvplayer, also premiersports are too.

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Mini windows pc has everything but they can be hit and miss and could mean messing around with browsers, but mini pcs are getting better and prices are coming down too.

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In the UK Roku have something called the Streaming Stick + which is 4K.
https://www.roku.com/en-gb/products/...ing-stick-plus

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Can you not get YouTube on your Sky box? Even if you've ended your subscription it might still be available as it is on Now TV without a subscription...

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Sideload it?

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It's a case of Amazon "look at me swinging my big stick around."
Google "look our stick is bigger"
Apple "idiots ours is even bigger"
google "well Amazon can't have youtube that'll teach them."
Amazon "idiots our customers will simply sideload it now we'll look to pull Amazon instant video in 2018 from google devices"
Apple "morons we already made our itunes videos exclusive to apple users as they must have a apple device or itunes we win."
New company "we'll see."
Microsoft "we're not going to get involved as we lost after our attempts at launching mobile phones"

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How much is the Chromecast Ultra on Amazon........oh wait.......or a Google Home.........:shrug:

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Same with Appletv it seems you can only get them via third party sellers on Amazon.

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If Amazon video is now on Apple TV, why isn't access to apple video available on Amazon TV boxes?


I would buy a few videos off apple, but not prepared to buy an apple box to view them.

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Good question but this is Apple we're talking about.

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Hey, the first six episodes of 'Game of Thrones' is now available on Now TV.

Happy Christmas, Den, and hopefully this will help in your conversion to OTT streaming services!

Your Christmas should be a very happy one. No more BBC repeats necessary!

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Christmas wouldn't be Christmas without BBC repeats. :shocked:

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Bless your cotton socks OB as you can try as much as you like but this old chap is not for turning as in our household Linear TV forms a large part of our viewing whilst we dip into streaming now and again and it has been like that for a couple of years now.

:xmas: OB and to everybody else on here.

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I don't normally post itunes stuff but anyone fancy home alone in 4k? it's £1.99 on itunes https://itunes.apple.com/gb/movie/ho...ne/id344796733 for me home alone is a classic family Christmas movie.

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More on a article i posted awhile back about Facebook going for sporting rights, they are prepared to spend billions it seems. Nothing about EFL though yet. http://www.cordcuttersnews.com/faceb...eaming-rights/

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My bet is that Amazon will win one of the Premiership rights bids.

Not yet clear on whether this will be one of the smaller packages or the big sausage.

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If that is the case I'd expect it to come from the share of games BT has rather than Sky's. Just a hunch really. Rather than the demise of BT Sport you might see Amazon Instant Video launching on Youview and agreeing a carriage deal to be included as part of the BT Sports pack.

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I agree with you that as a first pitch, Amazon may well go for one of the smaller packages.

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Just a reminder to all that Sky's IPTV service is launching next year.

Still no details released about it, but it will be Sky's full tv service (unlike NowTV) streamed over broadband.

BUt still no HD.:(

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It will be interesting to see how that works out. What exactly is "Sky's full tv service"? Will it include the FTA shopping channels and dross available on satellite or will Sky be a little more selective in providing a service where they have more control?

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I don't think tvplayer can cope with HD streams a prime example is History HD most of the time it's unwatchable with picture freezes etc

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Could Now TV days be numbered then as dont see the point of it going on if Sky are bringing out there IPTV service?

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As long as it's better than their pathetic Skygo i'll be interested.

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To be fair I never have issue with Sky Go but then I don't use it on a PC or Mac

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On console it's great i just hope they drop silverlight soon as no browser supports it now apart from IE11 which is security flawed.

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Or, and this is nowhere near as cheap as a Roku box, Apple TV with a 3rd party media streaming app, such as infuse. The pro edition does cost money, but fire core (the authors) have licenced the Dolby and DTS codecs, which is what was getting the free media players kicked off the App Store. That particular setup will happily play most video and audio formats, including Apple sold ones. The exception being that there doesn't appear to be a Ultraviolet app for it, so most free downloads you get with Blu rays and DVDs won't play.

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It's interesting though reading about other peoples set ups as what might be right for me say might not be ideal for others and with posters posting details about their setups this might help people who are new to streaming etc.

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Will it even be a "tv" service as we know it?

What's the point of pumping hundreds of channels down a pipe, when you can just have catgories of shows/films like Netflix does?

I would take that query one step further and ask if Sky's satellite tv service could be numbered, albeit in the distant future?

Now TV was a stepping stone, to pick up some Freeview viewers and turn them into pay tv viewers, or to pick up some lapsed Sky viewers who cancelled their satellite tv subs.

I suppose the two brands could be ran side-by-side, one being the free/cheaper brand, the other being the premium one, but I'm not so sure. In part, it may depend if Sky ever become properly involved in networks, which they've always said they won't.

Sky still have their fibre joint venture going and with BT (Openreach) lowering their fibre to the premise prices, Sky may finally jump on that bandwagon too. Although with a potential Disney deal looming, it seems everything is up in the air at the moment.

If Sky were to offer a "proper" broadband package faster than 80mb coupled with a decent tv offering pumped down a fibre line, it could be killer app for them and a killer app against VM.

Sky still have the rights to all new films and if they become part of Disney, in effect they will give them control of one third of Hollywood's back library and future rights.

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I guess that depends on whether Sky wants to compete, head on, with Netflix in an arena where Netflix is currently established.

ITV appear to be predicting that it will be linear tv and a source of additional income for them. Let's see how that goes.

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Maybe they'll run it in the same way as VM where the niche/shopping channels can join if they pay them??

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Sky's premium full TV service will be available via satellite and fibre broadband. Now TV is a separate brand competing against TalkTalk and PlusNet's TV offerings, Netflix and other streaming services. It attracts those who wouldn't subscribe to Sky. No reason to ditch it just yet.

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There's no doubt that Netflix is emerging as a major media player with tons of their own content, but a Disney/Fox combo would own a third of everything that Hollywood has produced so far, with the rights to tons of stuff as yet unmade. That trounces Netflix into the ground.

Netflix gained popularity because you could watch loads of films from different Hollywood studios all on the same service, but that will change, starting with the removal of new Disney content from Netflix next year.

It maybe jumping the gun, but buying Sky maybe one of the reasons Disney is interested in merging/buying a lot of Murdoch's assets. Potentially they could use the Sky brand globally (it's easy to say and catchy) rather than the children/family orientated Disney brand.

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Assuming that the new Sky service is mainly chasing the movie market.

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Maybe but many of the niche/shopping channels don't have the cash to support carriage on multiple platforms.

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Correction:

Disney is only removing its stuff from the American Netflix service and that is in 2019, not 2018.

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Yes, all these emerging platforms are probably proving costly for them to keep up with as viewers are split between them.

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I'd say on the TV market as well don't forget Disney already have ABC Studios , ESPN they own Marvel which Netflix currently licenses off them for some of its originals.

You also need to factor in they'd then gain control of Nat Geo , Fox the Sky channels I'd say this would give it huge amounts of TV content and originals.

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Anyone wanting the Amazon Fire TV 4K box it's only £55 from tomorrow.

https://www.pocket-lint.com/tv/news/...xa-for-just-55

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Indeed, but there are many other TV broadcasters and independent producers in the TV market.

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Its alright its coming soon OB..;)

http://metro.co.uk/2017/12/12/wont-a...-soon-7153760/

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He never said Netflix, he said Amazon.
Also Facebook have already confirmed they are going to bid for rights.

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The same sentiment applies across the board.

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Certainly not on Netflix. It's Amazon you need to watch.

Apparently, Facebook is also a contender.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/k...league-3354534

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Not a chance IMO for the Premier leagues rights.

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You have no basis for that statement, Den.

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And yours has zero basis as you will find out early in 2018.

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And yet the articles keep coming.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...rights-auction


With the CEO of Amazon, Jeff Bezos, worth more than £70bn and Netflix and
Apple also considering moving into live sports broadcasting, the Premier
League is aware they could be big bidders.



As I've said on a number of occasions, Den, it will either be this or the next bidding round.

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It will be neither.

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What because Ed Woodward and Richard Scudamore say so as l would take what they say with a pinch of salt as you will realise soon enough.

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How so? Please explain. You know what happened to King Canute, don't you?