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johnathome 10-11-2013 02:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35642837)
Does anyone know what the next big set of sporting rights are that will be up for grabs? Football and non-football?
Here you go, it's a long list!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_...United_Kingdom

andy_m 10-11-2013 06:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by harry_hitch (Post 35642808)
As for the ECJ, well, that is just sticking it's nose in places where it does not belong. Is it really an injustice if a glory supporter in Devon can't watch Man Utd at 3 P.M?
Probably not, but if it's not based on any solid evidence that they would otherwise be watching Plymouth Argyle then why should they be denied the opportunity?

denphone 10-11-2013 06:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by johnathome (Post 35642781)
Whats interesting in that link it says they went back to Sky to see if they wanted to up their bid, they did that in some other rights as well.

It seems like these bodies are trying to shaft BT?
Because the governing bodies don't give a damn about Joe Public and in my view they have sold us down the river a long time ago in order to satisfy their increasingly greedy grabbing hands as well.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35642789)
and for all we know Atlantic will be here on Monday!
No channels generally do not arrive on a Monday Max.:D

harry_hitch 10-11-2013 10:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35642853)
Probably not, but if it's not based on any solid evidence that they would otherwise be watching Plymouth Argyle then why should they be denied the opportunity?
That is a very valid point, and those fans probably should not be denied the opportunity, but where is the evidence that fans will still attend lower league football if they had a choice of watching Man Utd v Liverpool, Spurs v Arsenal, Man City v Chelsea or any such variant of top teams being shown on TV each week at 3 P.M on a Saturday?

If the PL clubs shared their revenue with the lower league clubs and they were more than compensated for any potential loss in revenue, I would not have a problem with it. Until then, the lower league clubs should have all the support they can get.

I do believe the NFL survives whilst sharing it's revenues around, so why can't the PL?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35642824)
lol..I get the feeling you are anti-sky.
No, not really. If I was allowed Sky in my flat and they offered a fantastic deal for me to ditch VM, I probably would, but it would have to be a great, great deal.

I was just making a point that many people are complaining that prices will keep going up because there are two TV players in the football market.

It seems people would prefer one supplier, Sky Sports being the preferred choice because they think it would be cheaper. I do not think if Sky (or anyone else) had a monopoly that it would be cheaper. Judging by what Sky charge already, I doubt greatly they would give customers a cheaper price that what is available now. Also, the PL and UEFA would be able to dictate the prices to Sky (or anyone else). They would then have to pay what is being asked (and one party would pay it) and then pass that cost on to customers.

The way it is, whilst not perfect, is the best way we will get it currently in my opinion. Something does need to change, but it won't whilst people keep paying. I will beat my drum again and say if prices do not down for the cost of sports, it will be down to Sky not passing on their savings, not because BT have bought CL football rights imho. I would be saying the same if BT had the main rights and Sky were the "minnows."

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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35642855)
Because the governing bodies don't give a damn about Joe Public and in my view they have sold us down the river a long time ago in order to satisfy their increasingly greedy grabbing hands as well.

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No channels generally do not arrive on a Monday Max.:D
You can't blame the governing bodies Den, what are going to do, force Sky and BT to make a loss on sports? Force price cuts on Sky or BT, where is the justification if people happily pay what is being asked? Force the PL not to get the best deal it can for its product? (I don't believe the PL does need the money it gets, but they will keep doing it because they know they can.)

It would be like Tesco (or anyone else) being forced to make a loss (force price cuts) on a chocolate (a luxury commodity, like tv sports) and force Cadbury (or anyone else) to offer it at a lower price than they could get for it from Tesco (or anyone else).

There is no-one else to blame other than the paying public.

denphone 10-11-2013 10:55
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l thought this was a interesting piece in The Independent this morning and here are some quotes.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...r-8930769.html

Quote:
The game changed irrevocably at 2am this morning, when BT agreed to pay £897 million to secure exclusive rights to broadcast the Champions’ and Europa Leagues for three seasons, from 2015. It will be football, Jim, but not as we know it.
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BT’s business strategy, to use sport as a driving force in its evolution from a telecommunications giant to a more modern, multi-faceted media company, is less of a blunt instrument than the “battering ram” Sky used to sell satellite dishes. But its impact promises to be greater.
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Richard Scudamore, popularly assumed to have received a £3m bonus for the Premier League’s current record TV deal, which has yielded in excess of £5bn globally, has another bonanza on the horizon. Viewed logically, Sky have no viable commercial option but to bid extravagantly for the next round of Premier League rights, covering the three years from the 2016-17 season. Under the current deal, Sky broadcasts 116 live games a season to BT’s 38, but the balance of power has shifted significantly.
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BT insiders claim they will not formulate their strategy until this time next year, but the admission that “we are a big, efficiently run business which can afford to invest when the deal makes sense” is ominous to their traumatised opposition.
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Sky executives, whose plan to “strangle at birth” BT Sport was code-named Project Purple, awoke today to find their prospects of remaining major players in the sports TV market had a sudden, deathly pallor.
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It is understood that Sky, confronted by the implications of failure, unsuccessfully lobbied Uefa to re-enter the bidding process after BT’s negotiations, as preferred bidder for the right to show 350 live European games, began on Wednesday night.
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The TV market is changing. Al Jazeera, who have made strategic deals to cover Premier League football in Middle Eastern markets, are expected to bid for more extensive rights. Companies such as Amazon, Apple and Google are becoming increasingly attracted to football as a platform for the next generation of social media. The onset of fibre optic cabling opens up the possibility of watching matches simultaneously, in high definition.
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BT have changed the dynamics of sport. Things have accelerated rapidly in the three years since, to declare an interest, I helped launch their online presence in football. Unlike previous challengers to Sky, whose annual revenue, £7.2bn is dwarfed by BT’s £18.3bn, they have the money to fund their ambitions.

andy_m 10-11-2013 12:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by harry_hitch (Post 35642888)
That is a very valid point, and those fans probably should not be denied the opportunity, but where is the evidence that fans will still attend lower league football if they had a choice of watching Man Utd v Liverpool, Spurs v Arsenal, Man City v Chelsea or any such variant of top teams being shown on TV each week at 3 P.M on a Saturday?

If the PL clubs shared their revenue with the lower league clubs and they were more than compensated for any potential loss in revenue, I would not have a problem with it. Until then, the lower league clubs should have all the support they can get.
There isn't any. Which was my point.

Quote:
Originally Posted by harry_hitch (Post 35642888)
I do believe the NFL survives whilst sharing it's revenues around, so why can't the PL?
The NFL doesn't have to compete with any other significant world leagues. If you like top class American Football you're pretty much watching American teams play. (Not withstanding Jacksonville becoming a suburb of London!)

Chad 10-11-2013 13:04
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Not such a positive spin from The Telegraph

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...900m-deal.html

"Football supporters face having to pay more than ever to watch Britain’s top clubs on television after BT confirmed it would charge viewers for its Champions League coverage."

Leading media analyst Claire Enders said: “It is hard to portray this move in any kind of positive light for consumers. People are already spending very much more than on average on pay TV and connectivity in the UK than the rest of Europe.
“The fact is the consumers were served by having free-to-air access for Champions League games, and that will disappear.”

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Quote:
Originally Posted by johnathome (Post 35642842)
Cheers bud.

There is some rights due to expire next year that BT could snatch away from SKY Sports.

johnathome 10-11-2013 14:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35642971)

Cheers bud.

There is some rights due to expire next year that BT could snatch away from SKY Sports.
Well there's the US Open and Masters Golf finishing next year if BT fancy a punt on them.

Doug P 10-11-2013 14:58
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Am glad to be an ex-customer of BT. The deal VM made to get the sport channels onto XL gets better by the month but BT customers across the board are going to pay for what is a ridiculously ott payment for the Champions League...

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The point is not that Sky are complaining about the price but that it IS ridiculously too much and that the customers of BT are going to suffer for it.

VM prices now looking much better value than ever....

Anypermitedroute 10-11-2013 17:33
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Considering that sky sports 3&4 are not availAble to bt vision and via freeview subscription certain fans who had subscribed to sky sports were missing out on champions league games held on sky sports 4, so far BT has not withheld channels to any host provider so despite the cost you cannot argue yet they have withheld anything (albeit for a price) so this small section might actually gain here

Bananaman_007 10-11-2013 19:16
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The ITV story was quite misleading, it said the sport had moved away from FTA TV and BT would charge for the matches. Well they already do as part of a monthly subscription or free to XL Virgin customers. ITV who were obviously a bit bitter from losing the rights chose to try and spin the story to make it sound like something it was not.

As for channels and new BT sport channels, what we have to remember is VM is not run by the morons who sold Bravo to Sky and then let them move some of the content to a channel they did not have the rights to. Being such a large player would LG really let a deal be negotiated for the BT channels that did not include any future channel launches?

harry_hitch 10-11-2013 20:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35642957)
There isn't any. Which was my point.



The NFL doesn't have to compete with any other significant world leagues. If you like top class American Football you're pretty much watching American teams play. (Not withstanding Jacksonville becoming a suburb of London!)
Fair comment about the NFL.

I think it may best to agree to disagree about the 3 pm games. I think the rule helps the lower leagues, but I understand your point about people who don't attend the lower league games live should have the option.

It would be interesting to see it trialled one season to see if it does effect attendances (if it does at all). In theory my argument could be moot, as the lower league clubs would have die hard fans who would always go, regardless of what is being shown on TV.

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Random question, but does anyone know if there is a reason why BBC and ITV could not team up and bid for sports rights? If they got some Golf for example, they could share 2 days each and also share the same commentators, cameras etc.
It would be great to see top sport back on FTA, but it could be very difficult for BBC and ITV to agree who shows what.

Anypermitedroute 10-11-2013 20:54
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Quote:

[/COLOR]Random question, but does anyone know if there is a reason why BBC and ITV could not team up and bid for sports rights? If they got some Golf for example, they could share 2 days each and also share the same commentators, cameras etc.
It would be great to see top sport back on FTA, but it could be very difficult for BBC and ITV to agree who shows what.
In theory they could and have euro championship and World Cup spring to mind but that was using separate commentators and the picture was provided, nearer to home have they both screened the FA cup final?

I guess they could but probably won't due to incompatible commercials set ups and advetising system etc

Arthurgray50@blu 10-11-2013 21:09
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At the end of the day its US, the fans that end up paying for Tv football.

Sky and BT do not give a damn about US, with ITV it different - its free to air.
But with Sky and BT, its a battle of spoilt little kids trying to get this and that.

BT have paid out more than enough for the Champions League and Europa League crap, who wants to televise and charge for Europa, thats why its not on Sky.

I would watch lower League stuff and it's enjoyable to watch. In about twelve months time, l bet that there will be an agreement between ITV/SKY to cover some of these games - as BT will want to recoup some of their dough. Or could it be the same thing as Setanta.

I will only watch BT Sport if Spurs are on due to that idiotic logo which spoils it for me.

No, the fans will be hit hard on this.

harry_hitch 10-11-2013 21:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Anypermitedroute (Post 35643284)
In theory they could and have euro championship and World Cup spring to mind but that was using separate commentators and the picture was provided, nearer to home have they both screened the FA cup final?

I guess they could but probably won't due to incompatible commercials set ups and advetising system etc
Hm, forgot about the adverts....d'oh:dunce:

spankysmagicpian 10-11-2013 22:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug P (Post 35643030)
BT customers across the board are going to pay for what is a ridiculously ott payment for the Champions League...[COLOR="Silver"]
Was it OTT?

as someone pointed out - for the 3 year deal it's only 4 months of BT profit.

Mad Max 10-11-2013 23:16
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Quote:
Was it OTT?
Over The Top!

paultrademark 10-11-2013 23:26
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It was a question asking if it was OTT not what is OTT lol

andy_m 11-11-2013 03:57
Re: ESPN, BT, Euro, Premier and Sky Sports news
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bananaman_007 (Post 35643195)
The ITV story was quite misleading, it said the sport had moved away from FTA TV and BT would charge for the matches. Well they already do as part of a monthly subscription or free to XL Virgin customers. ITV who were obviously a bit bitter from losing the rights chose to try and spin the story to make it sound like something it was not.

As for channels and new BT sport channels, what we have to remember is VM is not run by the morons who sold Bravo to Sky and then let them move some of the content to a channel they did not have the rights to. Being such a large player would LG really let a deal be negotiated for the BT channels that did not include any future channel launches?
I don't think that's misleading. BT said the matches would be "chargeable", and the interpretation of that word by ITV is the same as widely reported elsewhere.

The more I consider this deal the more I think it very unlikely it's included in the current Virgin deal. We shall see.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by spankysmagicpian (Post 35643331)
Was it OTT?

as someone pointed out - for the 3 year deal it's only 4 months of BT profit.
That's profit from the entire business, presumably? It is difficult to see how it can make any money directly from the deal if Sky felt even they couldn't, and it's also ensured that the next Premier League rights auction will again be record breaking. Was it ott? I'd say yes. It can't pay for itself, it's more than double the previous cycle for nothing more and it has probably set us on a path of years of rights inflation that just cannot be sustainable.

Bust follows boom.

colin25 11-11-2013 04:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35643365)
I don't think that's misleading. BT said the matches would be "chargeable", and the interpretation of that word by ITV is the same as widely reported elsewhere.

The more I consider this deal the more I think it very unlikely it's included in the current Virgin deal. We shall see.

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That's profit from the entire business, presumably? It is difficult to see how it can make any money directly from the deal if Sky felt even they couldn't, and it's also ensured that the next Premier League rights auction will again be record breaking. Was it ott? I'd say yes. It can't pay for itself, it's more than double the previous cycle for nothing more and it has probably set us on a path of years of rights inflation that just cannot be sustainable.

Bust follows boom.
I think more so as the fees charged to punters is near saturation.

I had already decided (pre-BT) to drop espn, when I was only charged 10 pounds per month, as I didn't think it was worth it, as I was also paying sky.

I decided to try bt broadband, so bt sport was free.

Anything that dilutes this, or increases prices, means i will likely drop something.

I could afford to keep paying, but there is a point when i start thinking, is it worth it.

Worst case scenario, I follow online, and watch BBC highlights. Save myself a fortune, to waste elsewhere :D

johnathome 11-11-2013 10:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35642837)
Does anyone know what the next big set of sporting rights are that will be up for grabs? Football and non-football?
BT set to go after more sports rights

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/104...er-sports.html

nstokes 11-11-2013 10:18
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I want to see if BT will go for the F1 rights when the deal ends in 2018

denphone 11-11-2013 10:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by johnathome (Post 35643414)
BT set to go after more sports rights

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/104...er-sports.html
The board is set now and Sky better prepare itself for a army of tanks to drive onto its lawn as the battle intensifies.

colin25 11-11-2013 10:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35643418)
The board is set now and Sky better prepare itself for a army of tanks to drive onto its lawn as the battle intensifies.
I am hoping both spend big.

More money to spend :)

Doug P 11-11-2013 10:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spankysmagicpian (Post 35643331)
Was it OTT?

as someone pointed out - for the 3 year deal it's only 4 months of BT profit.
£81 per customer. Yes it is OTT. Bordering on obscene. Compare it to the price rises BT customers will get and the charge for the games when they come not the percentage of BT profits.

johnathome 11-11-2013 10:30
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With the comments about BT paying too much for sports rights does anyone remember when Sky moved into profit? They certainly weren't in profit from the get go.

I don't think they made a profit during the first few years of the PL rights?

Doug P 11-11-2013 10:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nstokes (Post 35643417)
I want to see if BT will go for the F1 rights when the deal ends in 2018
More channel launches to come then?

If so can our experts on here say if VM deal covers new channels?

Bet it doesn't!!

denphone 11-11-2013 10:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by johnathome (Post 35643425)
With the comments about BT paying too much for sports rights does anyone remember when Sky moved into profit? They certainly weren't in profit from the get go.

I don't think they made a profit during the first few years of the PL rights?
No Sky did not make a profit in the first few years John.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug P (Post 35643426)
More channel launches to come then?

If so can our experts on here say if VM deal covers new channels?

Bet it doesn't!!
That's hard to say as none of us will ever see the contract details Doug so like many other things its a guessing game.

Doug P 11-11-2013 10:37
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True Den but bet for example BT Sport F1 would be extra.....

denphone 11-11-2013 10:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug P (Post 35643433)
True Den but bet for example BT Sport F1 would be extra.....
Highly likely given that providers are out to grab as much money as they can.

muppetman11 11-11-2013 10:57
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Frankly couldn't careless who wins what , however if this battle continues it could be BT and Sky themselves who lose out when people get sick of the ever rising bills , services from VM , Talk Talk , Now TV could soon see an influx of people leaving Sky and BT disgruntled over premium sporting costs.

harry_hitch 11-11-2013 11:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35643449)
Frankly couldn't careless who wins what , however if this battle continues it could be BT and Sky themselves who lose out when people get sick of the ever rising bills , services from VM , Talk Talk , Now TV could soon see an influx of people disgruntled over premium sporting costs.
I am sure people will MM. It may take a couple more years to see a real difference though. More and more people will simply stop paying. It is the only way this lunacy will stop.:)

denphone 11-11-2013 11:30
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For someone who says l will not go on this thread any more you have a habit of not being able to resist it old boy.;):D

Yes its severals year down the road when the real crunch will come in my opinion and BT and Sky better start heeding the warning signs.

Doug P 11-11-2013 11:40
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It is the same as BSkyB v Setanta and ESPN only with sillier figures imo.

One of them will win and I would put money on BSkyB...

denphone 11-11-2013 11:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug P (Post 35643462)
It is the same as BSkyB v Setanta and ESPN only with sillier figures imo.

One of them will win and I would put money on BSkyB...
You are forgetting in terms of turnover Sky's is £7 billion a year whilst BT's is £18 billion.

Doug P 11-11-2013 12:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35643478)
You are forgetting in terms of turnover Sky's is £7 billion a year whilst BT's is £18 billion.
Not at all... turnover is not the factor imo.

BSkyB will win as BT over-reach themselves. Convinced. It will take a few years but when the price rises kick in and the customers fade away it will happen.

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As pointed out elsewhere:

BT are already starting to charge for what were previously "free" services eg Caller Display combined with Privacy at Home & 1571. Essentially I see their general charges will increase to pay for this (hitting me as a non BT/Sky subscriber) who will be subsiding them.

Bad time to be a BT customer imo....

johnathome 11-11-2013 12:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug P (Post 35643462)
It is the same as BSkyB v Setanta and ESPN only with sillier figures imo.

One of them will win and I would put money on BSkyB...
I think the opposite myself.

However before the next PL rights come up for auction there will be high level meetings as both sides will see the lunacy of ever more money. I can see some collusion going on.

Meanwhile shares in bskyb are down 10% this morning.

Chad 11-11-2013 12:14
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Even more bad news for SKY:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/b...kets-live.html

"BSkyB plunges 10pc in early trading on Monday after it was announced over the weekend that BT Sport will have the exclusive rights to the UEFA Champions League and Europa League"

Doug P 11-11-2013 12:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by johnathome (Post 35643495)
I think the opposite myself.

However before the next PL rights come up for auction there will be high level meetings as both sides will see the lunacy of ever more money. I can see some collusion going on.

Meanwhile shares in bskyb are down 10% this morning.
ten per cent is as would be expected. It does not show any worry in the markets about Sky....

BT are a shoe-in to lose this battle I think. If they refuse to keep the channels in XL after three years they won't get very far with VM customers as far as I can see....

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Share price high for the year is 865p and the low was 830p.

Currently 840p. Not much to worry about for Sky there methinks.

johnathome 11-11-2013 12:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug P (Post 35643498)
ten per cent is as would be expected. It does not show any worry in the markets about Sky....

BT are a shoe-in to lose this battle I think. If they refuse to keep the channels in XL after three years they won't get very far with VM customers as far as I can see....

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Share price high for the year is 865p and the low was 830p.

Currently 840p. Not much to worry about for Sky there methinks.
As you say there's nothing to worry about, however, if BT start getting other rights (a couple of golf ones up for renewal next year) then anything could happen.
BT will definitely bid aggressively for more PL packages the next time around as, lets face it, dinnertime on Saturday isn't very good for anyone.
Whenever i've watched a 12.30 game it's because i've been on an all dayer and the pubs aren't particularly busy anyway.

Saturday 5.30 and sunday dinnertime are the premium packages and these are the ones i expect them to go after.

harry_hitch 11-11-2013 14:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35643459)
For someone who says l will not go on this thread any more you have a habit of not being able to resist it old boy.;):D

Yes its severals year down the road when the real crunch will come in my opinion and BT and Sky better start heeding the warning signs.
I did not say I would not come on here anymore, I said I was out of the for a while, and I did state I wanted to drop the points I was making but I never stated I would not come on this thread "anymore".

Unfortunately, the break was very short lived as I allowed myself to be drawn back into it to reply to some posts where questions were asked of me. I curse myself for writing that statement in anger. But yeah, in the broader terms of what you said, I am far too weak willed for my own good.:(:D

Please lets not misquote others on here though, I reacted badly to it yesterday and I have no intentions of reacting that badly again. It detracts from what is good about the forum, and there is plenty good about it. Hence the reason why I continue to come back :)

denphone 11-11-2013 14:35
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Some interesting pieces on the BBC website today.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/24882293

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24895491

denphone 11-11-2013 16:36
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Will you be paying more for calls so that BT can offer football fans the chance to watch the Champions League?

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/bil...#ixzz2kM6qaswW

Mr Banana 11-11-2013 19:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug P (Post 35643498)
ten per cent is as would be expected. It does not show any worry in the markets about Sky....

BT are a shoe-in to lose this battle I think. If they refuse to keep the channels in XL after three years they won't get very far with VM customers as far as I can see....

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Share price high for the year is 865p and the low was 830p.

Currently 840p. Not much to worry about for Sky there methinks.
1.5 billion quid off value of a company in one day is a lot to think about. Investment tittle tattle is white hot today, conversations along the lines of, if BT win the next premiership rights, Sky are in the crap big time.

muppetman11 11-11-2013 20:07
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Originally Posted by Top banana (Post 35643783)
1.5 billion quid off value of a company in one day is a lot to think about. Investment tittle tattle is white hot today, conversations along the lines of, if BT win the next premiership rights, Sky are in the crap big time.
I agree Sky's core business is television , its also worth remembering that were BT to snatch the lions share of the Premiership rights they'd have to pay a massive price which in turn can be as risky as losing the rights.

Mr Banana 11-11-2013 20:19
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35643792)
I agree Sky's core business is television , its also worth remembering that were BT to snatch the lions share of the Premiership rights they'd have to pay a massive price which in turn can be as risky as losing the rights.
Don't forget though BT is into all sorts world wide. If you take a look at where they make their money through the various divisions it's quite scary. It's interesting that every time Sky gains a triple play customer, BT get money from the broadband and telephone portion of it.

denphone 11-11-2013 20:32
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35643792)
I agree Sky's core business is television , its also worth remembering that were BT to snatch the lions share of the Premiership rights they'd have to pay a massive price which in turn can be as risky as losing the rights.
l can see the next PL rights going for double what they are now and that's not good for us.

Chad 11-11-2013 21:20
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35643801)
l can see the next PL rights going for double what they are now and that's not good for us.
The current spending on football rights in unsustainable. It will all come crashing down like the house market in Ireland at some point. Sure it's boom time for now but it won't be forever. It wouldn't be so bad if ticket prices dropped at clubs whilst their TV revenue increases but that's simply wishful thinking.

The common man is being priced out of going to the top games and pretty soon they'll be priced out of watching it on TV. It's all going to end in tears.

freakgirl 11-11-2013 21:36
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Quite obvious the people who will suffer the most are the BT customers who don't like football, they say they're going to show all the games, not sure how, although they could deft show all games involving British teams live

alwaysabear 11-11-2013 22:24
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Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35643827)
The current spending on football rights in unsustainable. It will all come crashing down like the house market in Ireland at some point. Sure it's boom time for now but it won't be forever. It wouldn't be so bad if ticket prices dropped at clubs whilst their TV revenue increases but that's simply wishful thinking.

The common man is being priced out of going to the top games and pretty soon they'll be priced out of watching it on TV. It's all going to end in tears.
Absolutely agree .

Doug P 12-11-2013 09:22
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Originally Posted by freakgirl (Post 35643839)
Quite obvious the people who will suffer the most are the BT customers who don't like football, they say they're going to show all the games, not sure how, although they could deft show all games involving British teams live
Top post.

muppetman11 12-11-2013 09:59
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Originally Posted by Top banana (Post 35643796)
Don't forget though BT is into all sorts world wide. If you take a look at where they make their money through the various divisions it's quite scary. It's interesting that every time Sky gains a triple play customer, BT get money from the broadband and telephone portion of it.
That's all very well but not everybody likes sport , what about their phone , BB subscribers who have absolutely no interest in sport are there bills likely to increase to pay for this spending spree ?

denphone 12-11-2013 10:06
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Its a cast iron cert for those who don't even subscribe to Sports that bills are going to rise and my advice is for people is to find the best all round price package that suits them and their families.

Doug P 12-11-2013 10:25
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35644045)
That's all very well but not everybody likes sport , what about their phone , BB subscribers who have absolutely no interest in sport are there bills likely to increase to pay for this spending spree ?
Frankly Muppetman the answer is yes. 6.5pc broadband price rise is only the start.....

muppetman11 12-11-2013 12:35
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...rdoch-bid.html

denphone 12-11-2013 12:38
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Murdoch has not a hope in hell of getting it in my humble opinion.

Dave42 12-11-2013 12:43
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prices will only ever go up and up :(:(:(:(:(

denphone 12-11-2013 12:46
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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35644143)
prices will only ever go up and up :(:(:(:(:(
Yes stock market shares might go down and up but alas prices only ever go one way and we all know which way that is.

colin25 12-11-2013 12:51
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35644047)
Its a cast iron cert for those who don't even subscribe to Sports that bills are going to rise and my advice is for people is to find the best all round price package that suits them and their families.
That advice is same, no matter the situation. In fact, I now call it 'Colin's law' :D

named after a venerable soul (or is that sole :))

OLD BOY 12-11-2013 12:52
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Originally Posted by Doug P (Post 35643498)
ten per cent is as would be expected. It does not show any worry in the markets about Sky....

BT are a shoe-in to lose this battle I think. If they refuse to keep the channels in XL after three years they won't get very far with VM customers as far as I can see....

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Share price high for the year is 865p and the low was 830p.

Currently 840p. Not much to worry about for Sky there methinks.
You seem very convinced about Sky winning out, Doug, which I understand, because they have previously bullied their way into the areas they want to dominate.

However, I really do think they have met their match this time. And I don't believe that Sky and the markets are unperturbed about recent developments with BT as you suggest.

I hope that Sky raise their game now and start focusing more on their customers, giving them more of what they want. A lot of people actually detest Sky for various reasons, but it would be good if they could plot out a new direction and put their past unwanted practices behind them. This might well change attitudes in the medium term.

Sky need to revise their business plan as a matter of urgency if they don't already have an imaginative pathway in place to keep moving forward. Sky have beaten the odds before, and I do hope that they will do so again, but in a nice way this time.

Sky have done a lot for British television and I for one appreciate that. If they can drive forward a more customer friendly company that can behave in a more appropriate way with their competitors, that can only be a good thing in helping people to change their minds about the company.

colin25 12-11-2013 12:54
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35644148)
You seem very convinced about Sky winning out, Doug, which I understand, because they have previously bullied their way into the areas they want to dominate.

However, I really do think they have met their match this time. And I don't believe that Sky and the markets are unperturbed about recent developments with BT as you suggest.

I hope that Sky raise their game now and start focusing more on their customers, giving them more of what they want. A lot of people actually detest Sky for various reasons, but it would be good if they could plot out a new direction and put their past practices behind them. This might well change attitudes in the medium term.

Sky need to revise their business plan as a matter of urgency if they don't already have an imaginative pathway in place to keep moving forward. Sky have beaten the odds before, and I do hope that they will do so again, but in a nice way this time.

Sky have done a lot for British television and I for one appreciate that. If they can drive forward a more customer friendly company that can behave in a more appropriate way with their competitors, that can only be a good thing in helping people to change their minds about the company.
You say bullied, in that case, is BT the bully?

If someone wishes to spend their money, for them to do that, and for customers to pay, or not.

Too much emotive language concerning these businesses, which is what they are

OLD BOY 12-11-2013 13:01
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Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35644149)
You say bullied, in that case, is BT the bully?

If someone wishes to spend their money, for them to do that, and for customers to pay, or not.

Too much emotive language concerning these businesses, which is what they are
In terms of out-bidding Sky? No, I don't regard that as bullying behaviour at all, that's just competition.

Mr Banana 12-11-2013 13:04
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35644153)
In terms of out-bidding Sky? No, I don't regard that as bullying behaviour at all, that's just competition.
Looks like deep pockets will be needed for next premiership rights


http://www.theguardian.com/business/...s-bskyb-shares

vincerooney 12-11-2013 13:19
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Originally Posted by Top banana (Post 35644154)
Looks like deep pockets will be needed for next premiership rights


http://www.theguardian.com/business/...s-bskyb-shares
Which will mean higher prices for us all. How the introduction of a second broadcaster in football can be a good thing is the ultimate question. Wasnt it OFCOM who forced sky to only be able to bid for some and not all of the rights for competition purposes??

Brilliant. So now our bills continue to increase as both attempt to destroy each other. Well done *sarcastic clap* at least then it was all with sky it was just one provider to pay

OLD BOY 12-11-2013 13:22
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Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 35644158)
Which will mean higher prices for us all. How the introduction of a second broadcaster in football can be a good thing is the ultimate question. Wasnt it OFCOM who forced sky to only be able to bid for some and not all of the rights for competition purposes??

Brilliant. So now our bills continue to increase as both attempt to destroy each other. Well done *sarcastic clap* at least then it was all with sky it was just one provider to pay
Yes, but ultimately this may lead to cheaper prices. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. For example, what if BT and Sky got together next time to make a lower joint bid for the rights? Anything can happen....

denphone 12-11-2013 13:42
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35644159)
Yes, but ultimately this may lead to cheaper prices. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. For example, what if BT and Sky got together next time to make a lower joint bid for the rights? Anything can happen....
But there is no way that BT and Sky will get together OB to make a lower bid for the rights as this is war and the financial prize is huge for both of them and there is more chance of man landing on Mars then of the getting together scenario happening.

OLD BOY 12-11-2013 13:47
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35644171)
But there is no way that BT and Sky will get together OB to make a lower bid for the rights as this is war and the financial prize is huge for both of them and there is more chance of man landing on Mars then of the getting together scenario happening.
But it would be better for both of them, Den. Whilst Sky don't like these developments, faced with being blown out of the water by BT, they may go for the sensible option. This would also be appreciated by BT, who can pay less for their sports rights, thus reducing their costs. There are lots of things they could do to keep their broadband figures up, they won't be playing the same cards forever.

colin25 12-11-2013 14:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35644175)
But it would be better for both of them, Den. Whilst Sky don't like these developments, faced with being blown out of the water by BT, they may go for the sensible option. This would also be appreciated by BT, who can pay less for their sports rights, thus reducing their costs. There are lots of things they could do to keep their broadband figures up, they won't be playing the same cards forever.
Let us all hold hands..and dance merrily along together..la la la laaaa

really? :D

denphone 12-11-2013 14:24
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Oh dear this is starting to sound like a singalong at thy local pub with Colin as the drunken landlord.;):D

colin25 12-11-2013 14:42
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35644194)
Oh dear this is starting to sound like a singalong at thy local pub with Colin as the drunken landlord.;):D
wait, what sort of pubs do you drink in Den? Just so i know to avoid them :D

Doug P 12-11-2013 15:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35644148)
You seem very convinced about Sky winning out, Doug, which I understand, because they have previously bullied their way into the areas they want to dominate.

However, I really do think they have met their match this time. And I don't believe that Sky and the markets are unperturbed about recent developments with BT as you suggest.

I hope that Sky raise their game now and start focusing more on their customers, giving them more of what they want. A lot of people actually detest Sky for various reasons, but it would be good if they could plot out a new direction and put their past unwanted practices behind them. This might well change attitudes in the medium term.

Sky need to revise their business plan as a matter of urgency if they don't already have an imaginative pathway in place to keep moving forward. Sky have beaten the odds before, and I do hope that they will do so again, but in a nice way this time.

Sky have done a lot for British television and I for one appreciate that. If they can drive forward a more customer friendly company that can behave in a more appropriate way with their competitors, that can only be a good thing in helping people to change their minds about the company.
Good post but don't agree. BT will snap sooner or later and Sky will still be there. My feelings are not from a love of BSkyB just know BT will suffer for this foolhardy strategy and their customers will suffer the most.

I don't say they are unworried but the deal with VM was wrong from BT's POV and this Champions League deal is worse... Sky will continue to dominate tv sport but maybe to less of a degree... but they'll get the CL back again.

muppetman11 12-11-2013 18:12
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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35644143)
prices will only ever go up and up :(:(:(:(:(
Supposedly one on the way in the new year for BB , wonder how much tv subs will rise.

denphone 12-11-2013 18:14
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35644317)
Supposedly one on the way in the new year for BB , wonder how much tv subs will rise.
Well l expect the TV XL pack to increase by at least a couple of pounds MM.

Chad 12-11-2013 20:09
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Quick question.

When BT bought the ESPN channels, and took over the existing carriage deals, why did BT not change the name of ESPN to BT Sports 3? Was it a stipulation by ESPN that the name had to remain?

denphone 12-11-2013 20:29
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Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35644351)
Quick question.

When BT bought the ESPN channels, and took over the existing carriage deals, why did BT not change the name of ESPN to BT Sports 3? Was it a stipulation by ESPN that the name had to remain?
One cannot answer that Chad as one would have to know the finer details of the deal and we ain't going to see that in a month of Sunday's.

andy_m 13-11-2013 07:28
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Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35644351)
Quick question.

When BT bought the ESPN channels, and took over the existing carriage deals, why did BT not change the name of ESPN to BT Sports 3? Was it a stipulation by ESPN that the name had to remain?
My understanding was that the Premier League rights were entering a new cycle so nobody owned them until BT bought them, but that BT acquired ESPN's other rights by buying the ESPN channel, so I think it might be the case that keeping the ESPN channel meant the existing rights deal for, say, the FA Cup could stay in place. It was also always my understanding that BT intended to phase out the ESPN brand over time. The next FA Cup rights, for example, were bought by BT, not ESPN.

Doug P 13-11-2013 11:15
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Also having the ESPN name sounds better IMO than BT Sports 3....

alwaysabear 13-11-2013 11:48
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Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35644493)
My understanding was that the Premier League rights were entering a new cycle so nobody owned them until BT bought them, but that BT acquired ESPN's other rights by buying the ESPN channel, so I think it might be the case that keeping the ESPN channel meant the existing rights deal for, say, the FA Cup could stay in place. It was also always my understanding that BT intended to phase out the ESPN brand over time. The next FA Cup rights, for example, were bought by BT, not ESPN.
It may have more to do with the rights to American sports like MLB, College football etc

OLD BOY 13-11-2013 12:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug P (Post 35644229)
Good post but don't agree. BT will snap sooner or later and Sky will still be there. My feelings are not from a love of BSkyB just know BT will suffer for this foolhardy strategy and their customers will suffer the most.

I don't say they are unworried but the deal with VM was wrong from BT's POV and this Champions League deal is worse... Sky will continue to dominate tv sport but maybe to less of a degree... but they'll get the CL back again.
Well, no-one knows how the future will pan out, but I think you are wrong in saying BT will snap and Sky will win out. I don't think that even Sky are going to pay the huge sums that BT seem to be prepared to pay to get football rights, and if I were a betting man, I would be seriously considering the prospect of BT being the main Premiership provider when the current rights are up. I understand your suspicions, which are borne of Sky's past record of winning, but I think this is one battle they are going to lose.

As far as BT's deal with VM is concerned, I don't understand your viewpoint. I dare say that BT are making more money out of the deal with VM than if they required subscriptions because the subscription rate is likely to have been very low indeed. The money they are getting from the XL deal is guaranteed income and it will help their audience figures for advertising purposes. It is one of the few football deals that is actually good for customers!

Chad 13-11-2013 12:24
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World Cup 2018 and 2022 next for BT Sports?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...-coverage.html

"Fifa has confirmed it would welcome a BT bid for the 2018 and 2022 World Cup rights following the broadcaster's £900 million Champions League acquisition."

"Fifa secretary general Jerome Valcke revealing negotiations with English broadcasters over the 2018 and 2022 tournaments would take place between now and next summer."

OLD BOY 13-11-2013 12:26
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Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35644591)
World Cup 2018 and 2022 next for BT Sports?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...-coverage.html

"Fifa has confirmed it would welcome a BT bid for the 2018 and 2022 World Cup rights following the broadcaster's £900 million Champions League acquisition."

"Fifa secretary general Jerome Valcke revealing negotiations with English broadcasters over the 2018 and 2022 tournaments would take place between now and next summer."
I have no doubt at all about that, Chad, judging by BT's record this year!

denphone 13-11-2013 12:29
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Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35644591)
World Cup 2018 and 2022 next for BT Sports?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...-coverage.html

"Fifa has confirmed it would welcome a BT bid for the 2018 and 2022 World Cup rights following the broadcaster's £900 million Champions League acquisition."

"Fifa secretary general Jerome Valcke revealing negotiations with English broadcasters over the 2018 and 2022 tournaments would take place between now and next summer."
Does not the World cup as part of the crown jewels have to remain free to air?.

Chad 13-11-2013 12:38
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35644597)
Does not the World cup as part of the crown jewels have to remain free to air?.
They are indeed however the article suggests BT would have to make similar concessions to those made to land the Champions League. It sounds like BT could become the exclusive broadcaster for the World Cup but would have to show the games free to air.

Dave42 13-11-2013 12:39
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35644590)
Well, no-one knows how the future will pan out, but I think you are wrong in saying BT will snap and Sky will win out. I don't think that even Sky are going to pay the huge sums that BT seem to be prepared to pay to get football rights, and if I were a betting man, I would be seriously considering the prospect of BT being the main Premiership provider when the current rights are up. I understand your suspicions, which are borne of Sky's past record of winning, but I think this is one battle they are going to lose.

As far as BT's deal with VM is concerned, I don't understand your viewpoint. I dare say that BT are making more money out of the deal with VM than if they required subscriptions because the subscription rate is likely to have been very low indeed. The money they are getting from the XL deal is guaranteed income and it will help their audience figures for advertising purposes. It is one of the few football deals that is actually good for customers!
you got to remember sky paid over £2 billion for premier league right compared to BT £738 million so BT will have to up it over £2 billion to beat sky cant see that happening in 1 go remember sky will up bid to make sure they get most of premier league games they know they need the football

denphone 13-11-2013 12:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35644600)
They are indeed however the article suggests BT would have to make similar concessions to those made to land the Champions League. It sounds like BT could become the exclusive broadcaster for the World Cup but would have to show the games free to air.
They would have to make huge concessions as if any British team qualifies for the World Cup and is not shown on the main channels then there will be one almighty hue and cry.

OLD BOY 13-11-2013 12:48
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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35644601)
you got to remember sky paid over £2 billion for premier league right compared to BT £738 million so BT will have to up it over £2 billion to beat sky cant see that happening in 1 go remember sky will up bid to make sure they get most of premier league games they know they need the football
But even Sky weren't prepared to pay the £900m or whatever it was for the Champions League! No, I think BT means business here.

muppetman11 13-11-2013 12:50
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Excuse me if I don't celebrate , the World Cup on BT Sport , sorry but I couldn't think of anything worse than a pay tv operator getting there mitts on these rights and that includes Sky.

OLD BOY 13-11-2013 12:51
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35644610)
Excuse me if I don't celebrate , the World Cup on BT Sport , sorry but I couldn't think of anything worse than a pay tv operator getting there mitts on these rights and that includes Sky.
It's only a matter of time before there are no 'crown jewels' sports events any more.

It's a shame, but in my view, inevitable.

Dave42 13-11-2013 12:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35644608)
But even Sky weren't prepared to pay the £900m or whatever it was for the Champions League! No, I think BT means business here.
the premier league is where the big money is at yes BT need business but sky got a big lead in premier league and they up bid lots BT will have to add over £2 billion to compete for that not sure they will in 1 go sky know how much they need the premier league football they not let that go

martin201002 13-11-2013 12:59
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Bt do like splashing the cash don't they? The roman abramovich method to sports rights acquisition.

OLD BOY 13-11-2013 13:05
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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35644616)
the premier league is where the big money is at yes BT need business but sky got a big lead in premier league and they up bid lots BT will have to add over £2 billion to compete for that not sure they will in 1 go sky know how much they need the premier league football they not let that go
You might be right, Dave, but honestly, I'm beginning to wonder. I think BT aim to take over in sports broadcasting. In the end, they have more money in the kitty than Sky do - Sky must have a limit beyond which it will not go.

denphone 13-11-2013 13:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35644611)
It's only a matter of time before there are no 'crown jewels' sports events any more.

It's a shame, but in my view, inevitable.
Indeed it is as the tidings bode ill for hardly any sport to be shown on terrestrial TV in a few years time as greedy sports bodies sell out to the highest bidders.

johnathome 13-11-2013 13:27
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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35644601)
you got to remember sky paid over £2 billion for premier league right compared to BT £738 million so BT will have to up it over £2 billion to beat sky cant see that happening in 1 go remember sky will up bid to make sure they get most of premier league games they know they need the football
I did read in an article, either Guardian or Telegraph i think, that BT actually outbid Sky for 5/6 packages in the last EPL rights. Unfortunately for them it wasn't enough to ensure Sky wouldn't get a second stab at it, unlike the CL rights where they were too far ahead, it said Sky pressured UEFA for 3 days to have another quote.

Sky are worried and they need to be.

OLD BOY 13-11-2013 13:30
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Originally Posted by johnathome (Post 35644631)
I did read in an article, either Guardian or Telegraph i think, that BT actually outbid Sky for 5/6 packages in the last EPL rights. Unfortunately for them it wasn't enough to ensure Sky wouldn't get a second stab at it, unlike the CL rights where they were too far ahead, it said Sky pressured UEFA for 3 days to have another quote.

Sky are worried and they need to be.
Yes, they have a major problem with continuing their dominance over sport, and next will be movies.

Sky must now work on an alternative approach to bring in the readies.

muppetman11 13-11-2013 13:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by johnathome (Post 35644631)
I did read in an article, either Guardian or Telegraph i think, that BT actually outbid Sky for 5/6 packages in the last EPL rights. Unfortunately for them it wasn't enough to ensure Sky wouldn't get a second stab at it, unlike the CL rights where they were too far ahead, it said Sky pressured UEFA for 3 days to have another quote.

Sky are worried and they need to be.
I'm pretty sure you'll see a deal struck for BT to carry Sky Sports , its all very well trying to outbid each other but that can only lead to the pair damaging their respective businesses , Sky has deep enough pockets to sell its BB and Fibre BB to Sky TV customers at a loss meaning BT would have to react can you really see that happening ? It makes no sense and would result in the pairs profits being hit.

OLD BOY 13-11-2013 19:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35644642)
I'm pretty sure you'll see a deal struck for BT to carry Sky Sports , its all very well trying to outbid each other but that can only lead to the pair damaging their respective businesses , Sky has deep enough pockets to sell its BB and Fibre BB to Sky TV customers at a loss meaning BT would have to react can you really see that happening ? It makes no sense and would result in the pairs profits being hit.
Well, it can't carry on like this indefinitely, with bids being pushed ever higher. My guess, as I said before, is that some sort of accommodation will be found between BT and Sky, however much it will grate with Sky.

alwaysabear 13-11-2013 20:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35644869)
Well, it can't carry on like this indefinitely, with bids being pushed ever higher. My guess, as I said before, is that some sort of accommodation will be found between BT and Sky, however much it will grate with Sky.
Agree! They will have to come sort of loose deal or they will price there products out of reach of the masses.

denphone 13-11-2013 20:16
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Originally Posted by alwaysabear (Post 35644887)
Agree! They will have to come sort of loose deal or they will price there products out of reach of the masses.
In my humble opinion hell will freeze over before they do a deal with each other.

alwaysabear 13-11-2013 20:47
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35644889)
In my humble opinion hell will freeze over before they do a deal with each other.
Then eventually they will destroy each other.

spiderplant 13-11-2013 20:54
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So does anyone still think VM were wrong to get out of content?


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