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nstokes 06-01-2013 18:21
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35520210)
sad for mansfield..suarez celebrates deliberate handball
He is a cheating, raciest **** bag. Someone bring him down a peg or two or even three

TheDaddy 06-01-2013 18:22
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35520197)
l hear Mancini and good old Mario have been having a few love ins lately.;)

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If you give it out young man then you have got to expect to take it back.
:confused: when do you give it out

denphone 06-01-2013 18:22
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nstokes (Post 35520209)
Was a hand ball, the cheating ****
Oh dear the self righteous preaching again.

nstokes 06-01-2013 18:23
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35520215)
:confused: when do you give it out
Hahaha

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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35520216)
Oh dear the self righteous preaching again.
How can you sit there and defend him?

denphone 06-01-2013 18:23
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nstokes (Post 35520214)
He is a cheating, raciest **** bag. Someone bring him down a peg or two or even three
Now that is nice from a MU supporter.:rolleyes:

nstokes 06-01-2013 18:25
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35520220)
Now that is nice from a MU supporter.:rolleyes:
Its the truth thou. He knew what he did and still tried to say he didnt do it. The **** bag

denphone 06-01-2013 18:26
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nstokes (Post 35520217)
Hahaha

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How can you sit there and defend him?
l am not defending anything but we do seem to have a persecution type attitude in this country sometimes

colin25 06-01-2013 18:26
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
yes, these things happen, but celebrating it is a bit tasteless

adzii_nufc 06-01-2013 18:27
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35520220)
Now that is nice from a MU supporter.:rolleyes:
I agree with his assessment, to then kiss his hand after a blatant handball is just unbelievable.

This guy is a disgrace to English Football.

Now we spend the next two weeks hearing no end of it in the 'Great' British media but no punishment for the player :dunce:

nstokes 06-01-2013 18:28
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35520224)
yes, these things happen, but celebrating it is a bit tasteless
I agree. He knew he was wrong and then he celebrates like he didnt do anything wrong

Shadow Demon UK 06-01-2013 18:28
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
His lack of class is quite amazing...and not just in this incident.

Uncle Peter 06-01-2013 18:28
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Suarez always kisses his wrist when he scores. Some people are reading too much into the celebration.

nstokes 06-01-2013 18:28
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35520226)
I agree with his assessment, to then kiss his hand after a blatant handball is just unbelievable.

This guy is a disgrace to English Football.

Now we spend the next two weeks hearing no end of it in the 'Great' British media but no punishment for the player :dunce:
Well said. Respect my friend. He should be have a rollacking

denphone 06-01-2013 18:32
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Peter (Post 35520230)
Suarez always kisses his wrist when he scores. Some people are reading too much into the celebration.
Indeed as usual the anti anti Liverpool supporters.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 35520229)
His lack of class is quite amazing...and not just in this incident.
l suppose a few of your players or ex players would know about class then.

colin25 06-01-2013 18:34
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
I am not anti-liverpool, just anti-suarez..for obvious reasons

adzii_nufc 06-01-2013 18:35
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Here's to RVP scoring 3 past Liverpool next week :D

nstokes 06-01-2013 18:35
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35520236)
I am not anti-liverpool, just anti-suarez..for obvious reasons
Same here. Liverpool should be ashamed of him

denphone 06-01-2013 18:35
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35520236)
I am not anti-liverpool, just anti-suarez..for obvious reasons
l see your not anti Tevez or anti Balotelli then.

nstokes 06-01-2013 18:36
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35520240)
l see your not anti Tevez or Anti Balotelli then.
Tevez is a good player but hates not getting his way. Batotelli is a child who cant stand not being centre of attention

adzii_nufc 06-01-2013 18:36
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35520240)
l see your not anti Tevez or Anti Balotelli then.
I don't get it :confused:

denphone 06-01-2013 18:37
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nstokes (Post 35520239)
Same here. Liverpool should be ashamed of him
Like MU were with the Eric Cantona incident or the Rio Ferdinand failed drugs test.

nstokes 06-01-2013 18:38
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35520243)
Like MU were with the Eric Cantona incident or the Rio Ferdinand failed drugs test.
In regards to Eric i was too small to remember it so i cant comment but the Rio part yes he was a very very very bad man and got what he deserved

adzii_nufc 06-01-2013 18:39
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35520243)
Like MU were with the Eric Cantona incident or the Rio Ferdinand failed drugs test.
Rio Ferdinand never failed a drugs test...

Missed and Failing are different things

colin25 06-01-2013 18:39
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35520240)
l see your not anti Tevez or anti Balotelli then.
I am puzzled. I have wanted rid of ballotelli since last year. Tevez, I would have been stricter on him.

But, not quite sure how that compares to suarez

nstokes 06-01-2013 18:40
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35520246)
Rio Ferdinand never failed a drugs test...

Missed and Failing are different things
Ether way Rio made his decision and got what he deserved

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YYYYESSSSS Mansfield score. Get in

colin25 06-01-2013 18:40
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
I remember eric..he got punished as well.

nstokes 06-01-2013 18:41
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35520247)
But, not quite sure how that compares to suarez
It doesnt its just Den being Den :D:D:D:D

denphone 06-01-2013 18:43
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35520246)
Rio Ferdinand never failed a drugs test...

Missed and Failing are different things
In the eyes of the drugs authorities they are the same.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by nstokes (Post 35520251)
It doesnt its just Den being Den :D:D:D:D
Just like Mr Stokes with his usual raving rantings then.;)

nstokes 06-01-2013 18:44
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35520252)

Just like Mr Stokes with his usual raving rantings then.;)
Me rant? Never :)

colin25 06-01-2013 18:44
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Jon Flanagan is on for Liverpool, flanaghan and allan for liverpool, where have I heard tha before :)

nstokes 06-01-2013 18:48
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
I wonder what would happen if Mansfield did manage to get an equaliser?

adzii_nufc 06-01-2013 18:49
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nstokes (Post 35520257)
I wonder what would happen if Mansfield did manage to get an equaliser?
Liverpool would reclaim the £20,000 in the pocket of the referee.

colin25 06-01-2013 18:50
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nstokes (Post 35520257)
I wonder what would happen if Mansfield did manage to get an equaliser?
If game ended with no more goals, it is a replay.

If liverpool scored 1 more than mansfield, they win. Opposite if mansfield score

Simple :D

nstokes 06-01-2013 18:51
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35520259)
Liverpool would reclaim the £20,000 in the pocket of the referee.
They should any whey

Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35520261)
If game ended with no more goals, it is a replay.

If liverpool scored 1 more than mansfield, they win. Opposite if mansfield score

Simple :D
I knew that lol. I meant the reaction and comments haha

denphone 06-01-2013 18:51
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nstokes (Post 35520257)
I wonder what would happen if Mansfield did manage to get an equaliser?
There is always hope.;)

colin25 06-01-2013 18:52
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nstokes (Post 35520263)
They should any whey



I knew that lol. I meant the reaction and comments haha
lol..i couldn't resist.

and the mansfield chairman's wife is starting to grow on me too. She knows how to celebrate :D

nstokes 06-01-2013 18:55
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
What a shot by Green. So close

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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35520264)
There is always hope.;)
They would be level if the cheating **** bags goal was disallowed which it should be

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Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35520265)
lol..i couldn't resist.

and the mansfield chairman's wife is starting to grow on me too. She knows how to celebrate :D
:D:D

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Unlucky Mansfield. It should have be a draw but sadly Liverpool paid the ref to allow a cheating player to score a goal

denphone 06-01-2013 19:01
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nstokes (Post 35520266)

Unlucky Mansfield. It should have be a draw but sadly Liverpool paid the ref to allow a cheating player to score a goal
So now you are accusing Liverpool of bribery then?.:erm:

nstokes 06-01-2013 19:01
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35520270)
So now you are accusing Liverpool of bribery then?.:erm:
Prove other wise

denphone 06-01-2013 19:10
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nstokes (Post 35520271)
Prove other wise
l have heard of many accusations but yours is just plain daft and ill thought out without any rationale.

nstokes 06-01-2013 19:13
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35520274)
l have heard of many accusations but yours is just plain daft and ill thought out without any rationale.
Lol

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Looking at some of the hand balls Mansfield should have at least 3 penalties

denphone 06-01-2013 19:16
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nstokes (Post 35520214)
He is a cheating, raciest **** bag. Someone bring him down a peg or two or even three
l seem to remember Kevin Keegan scoring with his hand against Chelsea in his Southampton days yet no one calls him a cheat.

nstokes 06-01-2013 19:32
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35520280)
l seem to remember Kevin Keegan scoring with his hand against Chelsea in his Southampton days yet no one calls him a cheat.
Again before my time so i cant comment

Damien 06-01-2013 19:38
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Peter (Post 35520230)
Suarez always kisses his wrist when he scores. Some people are reading too much into the celebration.
He probably should have skipped it this time though. The guy is a moron you have to admit that, he is utterly unaware of how to handle himself. There was the racism thing where Liverpool accused Evra of lying about an incidence of racial abuse, incorrectly alleged he had a history of making such accusations, and then Suarez refused to shake Evras hand. All this despite Suarez confessing to the comments! Now he hand balls a goal against a smaller team and still does the usual celebration.

The handball itself isn't a big deal. Anyone here who professes to be really upset about it has to look at the history of their own team. Players always try to get away with a handball....

denphone 06-01-2013 19:39
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Mansfield manager Paul Cox: "I would like to give Luis Suarez the benefit of the doubt and it was a reaction. Just because it's Suárez, a bigger deal is being made. 99 out of 100 players would do the same. Its FA cup football. If it went in at our end we'd take it. Just because it's Suarez and his reputation a bigger deal is being made"

Uncle Peter 06-01-2013 19:43
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35520290)
He probably should have skipped it this time though. The guy is a moron you have to admit that, he is utterly unaware of how to handle himself. There was the racism thing where Liverpool accused Evra of lying about an incidence of racial abuse, incorrectly alleged he had a history of making such accusations, and then Suarez refused to shake Evras hand. All this despite Suarez confessing to the comments! Now he hand balls a goal against a smaller team and still does the usual celebration.

The handball itself isn't a big deal. Anyone here who professes to be really upset about it has to look at the history of their own team. Players always try to get away with a handball....
He kisses the tattoo of his little girl's name on the inside of his wrist. Nothing to see here.

nstokes 06-01-2013 19:46
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35520290)
He probably should have skipped it this time though. The guy is a moron you have to admit that, he is utterly unaware of how to handle himself. There was the racism thing where Liverpool accused Evra of lying about an incidence of racial abuse, incorrectly alleged he had a history of making such accusations, and then Suarez refused to shake Evras hand. All this despite Suarez confessing to the comments! Now he hand balls a goal against a smaller team and still does the usual celebration.

The handball itself isn't a big deal. Anyone here who professes to be really upset about it has to look at the history of their own team. Players always try to get away with a handball....
Well said

Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35520291)
Mansfield manager Paul Cox: "I would like to give Luis Suarez the benefit of the doubt and it was a reaction. Just because it's Suárez, a bigger deal is being made. 99 out of 100 players would do the same. Its FA cup football. If it went in at our end we'd take it. Just because it's Suarez and his reputation a bigger deal is being made"
He is going to say that of course, he is being respectful

adzii_nufc 06-01-2013 20:45
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Peter (Post 35520293)
He kisses the tattoo of his little girl's name on the inside of his wrist. Nothing to see here.
He kissed the top of his hand before his wrist. Does he do that all of the time too?

TheDaddy 06-01-2013 20:58
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35520252)
In the eyes of the drugs authorities they are the same.

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.;)
No there not, the punishment happens to me the same, rio actually took and passed a drug test that same day and paid a high price for being thick, higher than Suarez the racist for his transgression at any rate.

Julian 06-01-2013 23:21
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Blimey, so many posts from Liverpool h8erz.

Just think, if all that negative energy was converted into positive energy, maybe your teams would have won. :)

denphone 07-01-2013 11:42
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Wolves appoint Doncaster Rovers boss Dean Saunders.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20931554

denphone 07-01-2013 13:58
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Why commentator Jon Champion got it wrong, Suarez got it right and some people even agreed with me... it must be the magic of the FA Cup!
By Graham Poll.


Quote:
It seems telling that the only people who seem to be blatantly labeling him a cheat seem to hail from Manchester and presumably support the red half.

It's clearly a handball but other players have scored from hand balls before and nobody makes this kind of fuss. It's just because of this pathological hatred that the media and Mancs have of Suarez.

For commentator Jon Champion to say that Suarez's actions were 'those of a cheat' on national television is hugely unprofessional and serves only to highlight the mainstream English media's agenda against one of the brightest talents to ever ply his trade in this country!

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...#ixzz2HIHy2GNW
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thenry 07-01-2013 14:23
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
oh shut up Poll you total tool. what a stupid thing to say. 2 wrongs doesnt make a right! and a large part from each club actually united against Suarez. everyone in football knows Evras a prick too. idiot

Uncle Peter 07-01-2013 14:52
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Give credence to anything Champion or Poll say at your Peril, both are a waste of airtime and column inches. We should have been out of sight at half time and in the end Mansfield were desperately unlucky not to get their day at Anfield regardless of the controversy as they played their hearts out and some more. That's football.

Mal 07-01-2013 16:41
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Also most, if in fact all, of the posters on here who have criticised him do not hail from the Manchester area and don't have any allegiance to Utd ;)

colin25 07-01-2013 16:59
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Hmm...i never realised that Scotland was Manchester, methinks I need to check :D

thenry 07-01-2013 17:06
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mal (Post 35520501)
Also most, if in fact all, of the posters on here who have criticised him do not hail from the Manchester area and don't have any allegiance to Utd ;)
And to add football also united against John Terry. Tables turning = fall flat on your face. HA!

Mal 07-01-2013 17:13
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35520223)
l am not defending anything but we do seem to have a persecution type attitude in this country sometimes
Please remember that the next time Ashley Young dives and you want to criticise him. ;)

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Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35520505)
And to add football also united against John Terry. Tables turning = fall flat on your face. HA!
I'm not a Chelsea fan, so no tables turned on me ;)

MalteseFalcon 07-01-2013 17:19
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
I'd be furious even if it was for my team. Why is it acceptable for someone to handle a ball to score? Was it acceptable 27 years ago when Maradona did it to England?

colin25 07-01-2013 17:32
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
can do nothing about it now, but doesn't make it right.

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Some people are also confusing the "play to the whistle" as justification to cheat.

It is meant to be about fair play, not acts of cheating

thenry 07-01-2013 17:55
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Mike Dean ref for Arsenal v City sunday.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maxCF...e_gdata_player

denphone 07-01-2013 18:48
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35520514)
Mike Dean ref for Arsenal v City sunday.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maxCF...e_gdata_player
And Howard Webb appointed for Man Utd vs Liverpool game.

colin25 07-01-2013 18:52
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
a ref appointed to a football match..OMG, what has happened to this world :D

denphone 07-01-2013 19:04
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35520535)
a ref appointed to a football match..OMG, what has happened to this world :D
As many supporters will tell you is that some refs have history.;)

Mal 07-01-2013 19:11
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35520537)
As many supporters will tell you is that some refs have history.;)
Were you hoping for Andre Marriner? ;)

denphone 07-01-2013 19:14
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mal (Post 35520542)
Were you hoping for Andre Marriner? ;)
:)

colin25 07-01-2013 19:14
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mal (Post 35520542)
Were you hoping for Andre Marriner? ;)
I think he wanted one of the splash judges, as they couldn't do much worse :D

Team GB diving coach Andy Banks, Olympic silver medal winning diver Leon Taylor and comedienne Jo Brand

denphone 07-01-2013 19:16
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35520544)
I think he wanted one of the splash judges, as they couldn't do much worse :D

Team GB diving coach Andy Banks, Olympic silver medal winning diver Leon Taylor and comedienne Jo Brand
My My such words of wisdom from you Colin.:)

thenry 07-01-2013 21:11
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Argentina’s Lionel Messi collected a record-breaking fourth consecutive title of best player in the world when he was awarded the FIFA Ballon d’Or

touch.fifa.com/ballondor/news/newsid=1981449/index.html

James Lawton: Lionel Messi make us smile – Luis Suarez shows game’s ugly new face

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...e-8441727.html

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Messi what a talent.

denphone 07-01-2013 21:15
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35520599)
Argentina’s Lionel Messi collected a record-breaking fourth consecutive title of best player in the world when he was awarded the FIFA Ballon d’Or

touch.fifa.com/ballondor/news/newsid=1981449/index.html



Messi what a talent.
Seconded.:tu:

thenry 07-01-2013 21:19
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Luis Suarez won the Fellon d'Floor award. It was a close call between him, Bale, Young and Gervinho but hey ho Suarez won the drama award.

Cobbydaler 07-01-2013 21:25
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
I love Di Canio, what a guy...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20928212

denphone 07-01-2013 21:31
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35520605)
Luis Suarez won the Fellon d'Floor award. It was a close call between him, Bale, Young and Gervinho but hey ho Suarez won the drama award.
Must have took you several hours to think that one up great one.:)

Shadow Demon UK 07-01-2013 21:33
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Ronaldo should have won the ballon d'Or and RVP should have been in the team of the year in my opinion.

Damien 07-01-2013 21:37
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Ronaldo is unlucky to have his career coincide with Messi's. Messi was the deserving winner but I did think Ronaldo would win it, Ronaldo got closer last year and Messi carried on as usual. However Messi got more goals and assists and he does do more for the team.

denphone 07-01-2013 21:38
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Michu will move from Swansea for right price, says Chris Coleman

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20938565

Indeed he will leave in the summer one suspects.

Shadow Demon UK 07-01-2013 21:43
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35520612)
Ronaldo is unlucky to have his career coincide with Messi's. Messi was the deserving winner but I did think Ronaldo would win it, Ronaldo got closer last year and Messi carried on as usual. However Messi got more goals and assists and he does do more for the team.
For me Messi is the best player ever, but i thought Ronaldo had a better year than Messi regardless of the number of goals he scored. He pretty much won La Liga by himself and performed in all the big games. He also scored the majority of his goals from playing in a wide position with Higuain or Benzema up front. I disagree Messi does more for the team compared to Ronaldo, i think they are even in that respect. Obviously this is all opinion and its about probably the best two players to ever play the game, its a joy to watch both of them play at the moment.

denphone 07-01-2013 21:50
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 35520615)
For me Messi is the best player ever, but i thought Ronaldo had a better year than Messi regardless of the number of goals he scored. He pretty much won La Liga by himself and performed in all the big games. He also scored the majority of his goals from playing in a wide position with Higuain or Benzema up front. I disagree Messi does more for the team compared to Ronaldo, i think they are even in that respect. Obviously this is all opinion and its about probably the best two players to ever play the game, its a joy to watch both of them play at the moment.
l think you will find the best player ever has to be Pele as he won World cups as well and that is something Messi or Ronaldo have never done despite their sublime talents.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pel%C3%A9

Cobbydaler 07-01-2013 21:56
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35520617)
l think you will find the best player ever has to be Pele as he won World cups as well and that is something Messi or Ronaldo have never done despite their sublime talents.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pel%C3%A9
I think you'll find several people disagree:

http://footballcommentblog.wordpress...t-player-ever/

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...nt-you-to-know

To be honest, this is a joke!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/16661825

TheDaddy 07-01-2013 22:08
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 35520611)
Ronaldo should have won the ballon d'Or and RVP should have been in the team of the year in my opinion.
Team of the years a bit of a joke imo, thenry put more effort in his f'ellon the floor gag than they did in picking that team, it's not even as if Barcelona or real got to the champions league final either.

denphone 07-01-2013 22:09
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cobbydaler (Post 35520620)
Well Cobby as l say its all about opinions and everybody is entitled to what they think.

Damien 07-01-2013 22:31
Re: Football Season 2012/2013
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35520617)
l think you will find the best player ever has to be Pele as he won World cups as well and that is something Messi or Ronaldo have never done despite their sublime talents.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pel%C3%A9
The World Cup isn't what it was anymore. The Champions League is the premier football competition now and besides it's largely a function of the team you're in. You can move club but you can't change country.

sherer 07-01-2013 23:07
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Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 35520615)
For me Messi is the best player ever, but i thought Ronaldo had a better year than Messi regardless of the number of goals he scored. He pretty much won La Liga by himself and performed in all the big games. He also scored the majority of his goals from playing in a wide position with Higuain or Benzema up front. I disagree Messi does more for the team compared to Ronaldo, i think they are even in that respect. Obviously this is all opinion and its about probably the best two players to ever play the game, its a joy to watch both of them play at the moment.
To say Messi is the best player ever is a disservice to players like Charlton, Puskas, Di Stefano, Hidaguti, Garrincha, Matthews and a host of others who have graced the game over the years.

Damien 07-01-2013 23:13
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Originally Posted by sherer (Post 35520642)
To say Messi is the best player ever is a disservice to players like Charlton, Puskas, Di Stefano, Hidaguti, Garrincha, Matthews and a host of others who have graced the game over the years.
I think Messi is better. I think modern players are better than their former counterparts role for role. The best player ever in this generation will be better than the best player ever in the last generation because the standards are higher. Players are fitter, faster, and have better coaching from a younger age. The game is a lot faster now as well and players have to act quicker with the ball moving faster.

sherer 08-01-2013 00:09
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35520644)
I think Messi is better. I think modern players are better than their former counterparts role for role. The best player ever in this generation will be better than the best player ever in the last generation because the standards are higher. Players are fitter, faster, and have better coaching from a younger age. The game is a lot faster now as well and players have to act quicker with the ball moving faster.
the players back there were as fast as they needed to be. I've seen Puskas do a drag back like Ronaldo in 1953, wonder if the top players could do that with old ball and old styles shoes.

TheDaddy 08-01-2013 00:29
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Originally Posted by sherer (Post 35520667)
the players back there were as fast as they needed to be. I've seen Puskas do a drag back like Ronaldo in 1953, wonder if the top players could do that with old ball and old styles shoes.
And hatchet men kicking the crap out of them, players like messi and Ronaldo don't know they're born playing in this era

Damien 08-01-2013 09:24
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the players back there were as fast as they needed to be. I've seen Puskas do a drag back like Ronaldo in 1953, wonder if the top players could do that with old ball and old styles shoes.
Which is not as fast. The players were as good as they needed to be for everything but the need was lesser in a time when the overall skill set was lower. That was a time when players can have a drink the night before a game, many drinks, and have a big breakfast as well. The level of fitness was a lot lower because the fitness of the other players was equally poor. They were coached a lot later in life than current players are and the coaching had less history and experience in draw upon. The competition wasn't as strong for places as it is now when global scouting networks mean you don't have to simply be the best in your area to get regular playing time in a professional team, you have to be amongst the best in the world.

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And hatchet men kicking the crap out of them, players like messi and Ronaldo don't know they're born playing in this era
Yes but they play for the era they are in. They may not be able to take as many assaults as former players did but they're footballers, not American football players. Would former footballers be able to complete with the speed of today's game? It's a lot easier to do something imaginative when you have more time on the ball than Messi who has a spilt second to react.

Wenger said something a while back about how, in his time at Arsenal, he has watched as footballers have less and less time to make decisions. He compared it to being on the motorway, all the cars are moving as the same speed and they don't seem to be going fast until you stop and see everyone zip past you.

It's not fair that these former players didn't have all the opportunities the current ones do. The extra coaching, the better pitches, the protection to actually play football free to violent fouls, and the higher calibre opponents. Maybe if they played today they would be at Messi's level. They were not however.

denphone 08-01-2013 11:43
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Pep Guardiola: Former Barcelona boss ready to return to coaching

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20943089

Off to Chelsea one suspects in the summer.

Damien 08-01-2013 11:50
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Saaf_laandon_mo 08-01-2013 15:03
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Personally I think Ronaldo's reputation works against him. I think he should have won it!

adzii_nufc 08-01-2013 18:42
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I agree with the above but I also think Ronaldo is better than Messi which I've said many times before :D

Ronaldo has unbelievable pace for a guy of his height. His skill is unmatched, Messi can dribble but Ronaldo is just something else. Ronaldo is a proven player in the fastest and greatest league in the world (yes that old argument again, simply put it's true) Messi however is playing for arguably the greatest 11 clubwise we've ever seen.

Ronaldo's freekick's are sensational. Ronaldo is a complete natural talent, he was born to play this game.

Some can argue Messi wasn't, Messi would never have played professional football without the use of steroids, has this improved his level? who knows.

colin25 08-01-2013 19:09
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Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35520852)

Ronaldo's freekick's are sensational. Ronaldo is a complete natural talent, he was born to play this game.

Some can argue Messi wasn't, Messi would never have played professional football without the use of steroids, has this improved his level? who knows.
I thought the drugs was a health issue, not a design to improve performance.

Same thing would be someone who had heart problems taking a drug, and still being able to play.

If he took a shot for meningitis, or polio, is that any different?

he wasn't abusing a drug..he was prescibed it due to deficiency in bone density etc

Shadow Demon UK 08-01-2013 19:36
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Apart from the year he won it...

adzii_nufc 08-01-2013 20:11
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Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35520865)
I thought the drugs was a health issue, not a design to improve performance.

Same thing would be someone who had heart problems taking a drug, and still being able to play.

If he took a shot for meningitis, or polio, is that any different?

he wasn't abusing a drug..he was prescibed it due to deficiency in bone density etc
I can't recall suggesting he abused drugs or claiming they were to improve performance, however there is also nothing to suggest they do or don't improve his performance. The point also still remains, without the funding of Barcelona for the use of steroids, Lionel Messi would never have played Football.

Note the effects of the steroids used to treat Lionel Messi.

The first three ‘benefits’ to HGH; “Increases Energy and Endurance, Improves Sports Performance and Recovery, Increases Bone Density and Reduces Osteoporosis”. In short, run faster, play better, have stronger bones. Bold being the reason for them in the Messi case but no comments on the other benefits of it.

colin25 08-01-2013 20:15
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Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35520893)
I can't recall suggesting he abused drugs or claiming they were to improve performance, however there is also nothing to suggest they do or don't improve his performance. The point also still remains, without the funding of Barcelona for the use of steroids, Lionel Messi would never have played Football.
I can't say that. Don't know enough about it.

But could that be said about other stars, if you looked hard enough in their lives.

A teacher guided a star, someone helped with fees etc

adzii_nufc 08-01-2013 20:17
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Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35520895)
I can't say that. Don't know enough about it.

But could that be said about other stars, if you looked hard enough in their lives.

A teacher guided a star, someone helped with fees etc
Naturally, Barcelona spotted potential and they hit a gold mine.

thenry 08-01-2013 20:26
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i wish i was on HGH

sherer 08-01-2013 20:36
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don't try it, there's plenty of pics on the net of body builders and others who have bought this off dodghy web sites trying to emulate a sportsmen and ended up with elongated body parts or worse.

Cobbydaler 08-01-2013 20:39
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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35520904)
i wish i was on HGH
Why? Are you 4' 6"? ;)

thenry 08-01-2013 20:43
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Originally Posted by sherer (Post 35520909)
don't try it, there's plenty of pics on the net of body builders and others who have bought this off dodghy web sites trying to emulate a sportsmen and ended up with elongated body parts or worse.
na i wouldnt bother with the black market. the doc would be the only option but even then yeah theres the risk of things going very wrong.

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Why? Are you 4' 6"? ;)
no but am shorter than Messi :shocked:


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