Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35406289)

Meh. The big clubs invariably do get big decisions at home, the focus is far more intense on the referee and it's human nature that he'll be favorabl to the big club when he is surrounded by 60,000 of their fans. Not to mention the pasting he will get from the manager and the press. It takes a lot, a lot, of guts to give a last minute penalty against United at Old Trafford in a title run in.

Look at it this way. Fulham get screwed out of a point? It's not really been a big issue this week other than a few snide remarks from City fans. If it wasn't a penalty and the ref gave it, screwing United out of 2 points? The ref's life would have been hell. So it's no wonder they go for the safer option on such a decision.

Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35406296)

Not snide remarks..but pertinent remarks.

I did notice the excuses come rapid and fast after the game from Man Utd..."Oh, it looked like the player dived", "The ball moved, and it looked like he got the ball" etc

, but yeah..after seeing slow motion I can see"

Very big of Man Utd to accept the decision..shows they are big hearted, but one wonders what would have happened if the decision went aginast them...possibly Sir alex calling for the ref to be sacked?

And giggs tackle..no control, two footed, and never got the ball..a yellow? Hardly

Originally Posted by Mal (Post 35406309)

You've just proven the snide remark ;)

Everyone moans about Utd, but would their own team run screaming over to the ref shouting, "Come on ref, we committed a definite penalty there!". I probably should have said "have their own team run screaming over to the ref shouting when it has happened to them", because no doubt they have benefited from a dodgy decision.

I am not saying that it's right, I just find it slightly hypocritical. Sort out the refs, that's where the problem lies. Give them help.

Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35406308)

Not skipped over.

But just because a penalty is given, does not make it easier.

Would make more sense to list the penalties not given that should have been. If Man Utd had fewer of those..then that would be a stat.

Or indeed any ball going over the goal line by a yard or more and not being given a goal, that would be a stat :D

you could argue that Man Utd players are more clumsy..to the extent it would be impossible not to give a penalty..that I might believe :D

Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35406310)

lol No..because you call it a snide remark, does not make it so.

Though I notice that when someone dares mention something about Man Utd..it automatically must be a "snide" comment..glass houses yada yada comes to mind :D

Originally Posted by Mal (Post 35406311)

Skipped over just like Arthur skips over pertinent facts ;)

Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35406308)

Not skipped over.

But just because a penalty is given, does not make it easier.

Would make more sense to list the penalties not given that should have been. If Man Utd had fewer of those..then that would be a stat.

Or indeed any ball going over the goal line by a yard or more and not being given a goal, that would be a stat :D

you could argue that Man Utd players are more clumsy..to the extent it would be impossible not to give a penalty..that I might believe :D

Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 35406320)

Fire away with making that list. :)

Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35406315)

Except that stat means nothing. If you had a ground..that have 100 penalty shouts, and only 4 were given...and another..that had only 3 penalty shouts, of which two were given...how is the stat that the ground given 4 is more likely to be given a penalty against?

It doesn't make sense...you are only trying to use a stat to prove a point, without all the facts. I suspect I could prove lots of things with half truths.

Quote me the stat that tells us how many claims of penalties..and of which those that should have been given..that would make more sense

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Dang typos :D

Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35406324)

I think there is a player in lower leagues that has scored a lot more goals than messi...does that make him a better goal scorer..i would argue no.

i view that stat the same as the number of pemalties given..means nothing without more info.

Originally Posted by Mal (Post 35406326)

So, you've seen games with 100s of penalty shouts? ;) and just because Patrick Viera said so, doesn't back you up either ;)

...and you've missed the point...again...why focus on Utd, why not try to solve the problem of the ref's not being able to see it in real time?

Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35406328)

i think you missed the point..I used an example of how a stat will quite obviously be wrong. but i admit my failing..I forgot who i am trying to explain to..know your audience.
So to help you

...ball, round..man, kick man..man with noise thing, not give "penalty"

Oh, and that is a "snide" comment..just in case it escapes you :D

Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35406330)

I agree..I never said it was exclusive to Man utd.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35406335)

So ladies was it a penalty in the Barcelona/Milan game?.:D

Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35406344)

yup...though i give it as only 99.999%

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I feel disappointed, i expected goals

Though I can't see it lasting.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35406358)

Come on Colin cheer up as the second half is likely to be better then the first.:D

Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35406359)

I will hold you to that promise :D

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(though if you are wrong, you don't need to tattoo everton for the cup :D)

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35406176)

I think there are a number of issues here, the first of which is to be clear on what he actually did.

He did not just post a single racist message about Muamba. He then posted a series of racist and sexist messages directed specifically at other members of the site who found his initial post offensive. I won't repeat what he said but they were very offensive and meant to be read by the people he was abusing, he sent them those messages. There seems to be a desire to lessen the extent of his abuse to that single message about Muamba as make the sentence seem more egregious than it actually is.

That doesn't mean a jail sentence is warranted of course. However I think it's good to see action taken against these sick messages that are becoming increasingly common on the Internet and Twitter. It's worth taking a look at the messages Stan Collymore receives, it's often a unrelenting stream of explicit, sometimes violent, racial abuse whenever he comments on any topic. This is not a minor problem. It is not 'people being stupid on Twitter'. It's very nasty people hiding behind their perceived anonymity to constantly abuse people because of the colour of their skin or their gender. They have also taken to trolling the Facebook pages of the recently deceased to cause further grief to their families, again this will be tinged with racial and/or sexist abuse if they were not a white male.

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35406194)

Have you seen him play, could you write up a little review of what to expect?

I've not read much on the guy tbh, a few short comments and this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...das-touch.html all pretty much saying hes a quality player

Originally Posted by iadom (Post 35406772)

Back to the 'United get preferential treatment' rubbish.

Patrick V is wrong :p:

Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35406908)

That Schalke substitute goalie definitely lacks floatability :D

Originally Posted by Cobbydaler (Post 35406904)

Interesting to read some of the comments on that article, it's flawed...

Originally Posted by iadom (Post 35406926)

That is of course if you only read 'some of the comments' ;)

Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 35406944)

That comment says:

'yet nearly every decision that went for United, they got the point (s) because of it.'

How can you prove that? There is no way you can say that correcting the incorrect decisions would change the final outcome of the game because the game would have changed completely. The article just shows that decisions even themselves out over the season.

Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 35406944)

That comment says:

'yet nearly every decision that went for United, they got the point (s) because of it.'

How can you prove that? There is no way you can say that correcting the incorrect decisions would change the final outcome of the game because the game would have changed completely. The article just shows that decisions even themselves out over the season.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35407006)

I think it safe to assume the final outcome of the match the other night was effected by not awarding a penalty in the last couple of minutes...

Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 35407071)

Assuming the penalty was scored. Assuming there wasn't another goal after the penalty. Lot of assumptions.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35407073)

It was right near the end, yes it's an assumption that they would have scored the penalty but that doesn't mean United didn't benefit from it.

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35407253)

Club statement: Stiliyan Petrov



http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetai...706308,00.html

best wishes to him and his recovery

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35407255)

l will second that thenry.

Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35407545)

Yuk
http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/oddball...#ixzz1qcLi81zF

Originally Posted by Julian (Post 35407558)

Disgusting, but no worse than the incessant, unnecessary spitting that goes on. :mad:

Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 35407675)

3 quality goals from Sunderland this afternoon...

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35407705)

Bah. I wanted this to act as a buffer to allow us to lose to City tomorrow. Rubbish performance again, hopefully it will serve as a wake up call.

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35407697)

Arsenal were poor this afternoon, it seemed like half of them were asleep.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35407695)

Mancini very likely to be replaced at the end of the season as this will be classed as a severe failure in the minds of the owners.

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35407776)

Real Madrid 5-1 Osasuna...

1st Benzema > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15DGL...e_gdata_player

2nd Ronaldo > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtMGJ...e_gdata_player

great goals. i havent seen the other 4.

Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35407954)

Shocking dive by Carroll...he should be banned for life...that is the type of player that I don't want to see

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35407958)

At £35 million a total waste of money.:td::(

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35407958)

At £35 million a total waste of money.:td::(

Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35407954)

Shocking dive by Carroll...he should be banned for life...that is the type of player that I don't want to see

Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35407971)

Kenny has overpaid for every player he bought in summer i would have carried henderson there for couple of millon never mind 20 he paid

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35407972)

I haven't seen it. Is it true that he would have had an open goal if he hadn't gone to ground?

Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35407977)

He had keeper beat..a quick spin and shot and it would have been a goal

Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35407989)

yes, liverpool could do worse then buy a few newcastle players...but would they go to liverpool?

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Well..it was stupid by reina..deserves red card

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I will now do 5 minutes silence..in respect of Denphone...he needs support for his team :D

Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35408019)

Jose Enrique Twitter quote, July 25th 2011:

"The club is allowing all the major players of the team to go. Seriously, do you think it is the fault of the players? This club will never again fight to be among the top 6 again with this policy.'

Jose on Newcastle..

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35408167)

Ceefax page 121 tonight. A 47 year old footballer collapsed and died with heart attack In Newton Abbot on Friday night.

The footballer collapsed after 29 minutes in a cup final game and died in hospital.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35407705)

Bah. I wanted this to act as a buffer to allow us to lose to City tomorrow. Rubbish performance again, hopefully it will serve as a wake up call.

Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35408217)

.

Kenny: It's not a penalty but he hasn't dived... clearly :dozey:

Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 35408226)

I don't know what the most embarrassing part is...the dive itself, Carroll arguing with the ref that it should have been a penalty or Dalglish saying it wasn't a dive?

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35408234)

Well If I was to hazard a guess, I would say it's a sort of combination of the two. I don't think he would have dived when he had sight of the goal. He seemed to think about 'winning' a penalty of Krul and didn't account for Krul pulling out of the challenge, hesitated, lost his footing, then fell to ground. He wouldn't have taken that extra touch otherwise.

Originally Posted by iadom (Post 35408200)

So, did Arsenal play City today? :D

Originally Posted by yesman (Post 35408252)

King Kenny has come up trumps with Carroll, he can't even dive properly :)

Rant........Anyone who does dive to gain an advantage, should be sent off, and banned for five games outright for bringing the game into disrepute. And that is any player from any team ! Plus have their wages halved for the time of the ban, maybe then they might think twice about diving.

Rant over.

Originally Posted by sherer (Post 35408278)

this is the bigger picture. Players already have it in their minds to dive and "win" a penalty of free kick. Their first thought should be to score a goal in open play.

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35408498)

One things for sure... this coming summer transfer window is going to be extremely active, even City will make movements regardless whether or not Mancini gets sacked. Teams over in continental Europe are looking to make movements too.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35408528)

I really want M'Vila. Especially since Song and decided he doesn't want to play the defensive midfielder role anymore. I have cooled on the idea of an attacking midfielder as we probably have enough, especially if Walcott stays.