Re: TiVo
 

Indeed welcome to the forum.

It's very unfortunate you were accused of lying, especially by staff but remember you are only a customer!

Again, welcome.

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If what you say is correct Bluemoon that you registered as a broadband only customer and were not a Series 1 TiVo owner, which is what you suggest from your original and subsequent posts, you still got offered TiVo ahead of VIP and Triple XL customers???

This flies in the face of the experience of everyone else on this and other forums so forgive me if I remain sceptical but please accept my apologies if somehow you have managed to get this ahead of the VIP's and Triple Xl Customers. Proof would of course be welcome.

Respectfully I think you're either trolling or your first few posts have given the wrong extent of the services you had when you registered. If you are telling the truth I suspect there will be some pretty annoyed VIP's etc.

Welcome to the forum all the same.

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I got offered Tivo, i'm not a triple XL or VIP customer.

And never have been.

There are several people on DS (including carl.waring if anyone knows him) who dosen't have either tier of service and he definitely has Tivo although he was a S1 owner, there are others who haven't though.

When I got called the guy asked if I had S1 and when I said no he said it didn't matter all he seemed concerned about was that I had XL TV.

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Cheers dude.

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I will gladly put pictures up on here for you. Sorry if you don't believe me.

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I think Carl Wairing is an S1 owner.

There are a few people that seem to be getting TIVO who dont seem to qualify for having it in advance of the general release. But, providing it's just the odd few, I'm not going to worry about it TBH.

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I know but there are others who don't fit into any of those categories.

I don't, I am right at the end of my contract though if that makes any difference.

As you say it will sort itself out in time.

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Hi Bluemoon :welcome:

I believe you, for all VM's flapping about "no new customers" that doesn't seem to have taken into account how old a contract is, to them there is no difference between a 1 month customer and a 15 year customer, between one service and four.

DF... You're a very naughty boy, play nice with your new friend! :D

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I'm out of contract so I don't think that is taken into consideration.

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500GB TIVO ON THE WAY:

http://vmhd.blogspot.com/2011/03/500...n-its-way.html

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According to "Nialli's unofficial blog", there may be a 500gb TIVO on its way. Pricing mentioned in the blog suits me better, and will certainly be thinking of investing if the price listed is correct (or near abouts) when issued - if I don't with the raffle of course ;)

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How can the difference in price between a 500 and 1TB disc be 150 pounds. Surely the functionality will be less? :confused:

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I would say that is a smart move, I still can't help but think lot's of people would never require 1TB of HDD space.

500gb seems a good compromise to me.

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1 TB box is £149 so only £100 difference surely for existing customers, new customers pay £50 more for either box I suspect but new customer pricing is not official yet I believe. £40 extra for install on both boxes except those of us who have pre-registered should get free install.

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I was comparing new customer pricing.

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Sorry thought that blog price was for existing customers not new.

Perhaps VM want this leaked to help on the demand they have, as some customers wanting Tivo will be happy to wait until the lower cost box is launched.

Still want the 1TB box myself especially with my family who build up recordings they want to watch again and again!

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It seems VM and Sky are copying eacother to some degree on capacity and types of box dosen't it.

I note Sky are launching a non PVR HD box next week for multiroom customers for £49, sounds familiar dosen't it!!

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Let's hope you don't have to pre order it , you may get it installed in time for new years celebration 2012 LOL :D

Could this be another rumour on here that never comes to fruition.

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VM have said we'll bring out smaller HDD TiVo's, nothing further announced though.

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Without the better TiVo box though, so no contest.:)

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You could very well be right. I just assumed that because the only price announced for 1TB TIVO is for new customers, I assumed the 500gig drive would also be new customer pricing. But as the price on the blog isn't official, it's anyones guess.

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Depends really he may like more content , or red button services , 50 plus HD channels.

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Ah.. the beauty of choice :)

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This is a question directly for DF

What is the £3.00 TIVO charge for and what does it offer above Sky ?

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And paying for repairs if the sky box develops a fault.... :D

You are right though, it's all about choice.

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TiVo ;)

I'm not sure why you need me to go in to what it offers? You already know.

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The question was to DF and box repairs is nothing to do with the 3.00 as you already get these now on all boxes.

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But still doesn't answer what the 3.00 is for.

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I wasn't replying to the 3 pound question (and really, I was just having a bit of fun).

In my view, you make valid points about Sky's plus points in your posts.

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Whatever people think I'm not promoting Sky , just comparing.

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Question on the 3 tuners buffering (when 3rd enabled). On V+, the "active" tuner, i.e. the one I'm watching, buffers as you change channels, so flip a channel and it starts recording from the moment the channel is flipped. Then you can re-wind, pause and skip forward up to live. So, is that "buffering"?

If so, what does buffering on all 3 tuners actually mean? If something is being recorded, then presumably the tuner flips channel just before the program starts and records until approx the end of the program. No buffering there.

So what is 3 tuner buffering? Do the non-active tuners (perhaps all 3 if the box is "off" and nothing is being watched) arbitrarily decide to buffer different channels? Do they only buffer channels that are due to have something recorded soon?

It all seems a bit odd.

Boz

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The £3 is a charge that Virgin have decided is appropriate to charge for its TiVo service. Virgin is paying TiVo on an incremental basis that rises over time (and also by customer numbers I believe). At the end of the day its a charge for a service that is optional, if you dont want to pay for it then dont take the service.

I remember paying £50 per month for 4Mb broadband many moons ago, sometimes you pay the price for being a technical trend setter...

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Buffering happens on a channel you start watching. If you have all 3 tuners buffering and a recording is about to start then one of the tuners will transfer to recording instead, but you will get a pop up message asking if you want to continue or cancel the recording. This happens already under 2 tuners.

HTH

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Still doesn't answer what its for ? Sky provide free EPG data , sky recording , Android/iPhone app iPad app with recommendations.

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I understand that; it's a shame the person who accused you of 'ranting' on another thread doesn't!

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And a dynamic EPG at that which maybe involves having a team of staff on hand for updates.

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It's for enhanced EPG Data (guide, IMDB type info) and for ongoing development of the software. It's the same charge TiVo owners in the states have, just cheeper.

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The charge that over 200,000 people have stopped paying in the last quarter.

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Are the Australian and New Zealand Tivo services watered down versions as they don't charge any ongoing subscriptions.

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Hopefully that development will include a dynamic EPG .

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Isn't IMDB data free on the net.

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That's the one.
Haven't they just gone up the swanny?
Hopfully
Yep it's free on the net but that doen't mean you can just go scraping it. Also it's not actually IMDB's data TiVo use TMS's (Tribune Media Services).

My guess is at some point VM will swallow it, until then it's on your bill.

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From what I have found on the net it appears you are correct.:D

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It was a major shock to me that TiVo has not got a dynamic epg, especially as Freeview plus has had it for years.

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Yep agree with you there.

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Thanks for trying to explain, but to be honest, that doesn't make sense. "If you have all 3 tuners buffering"... buffering what? Which channels have they decided to buffer?

What you've described is sort of what V+ already does with its 2+1 tuners. Yet I've read earlier in this thread that the 3 tuner buffering is an advantage over V+. How?

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On V+ one tuner will generally always switch channel with you.
On Tivo the tuners stick on channels, and the one used least recently switches.

So if you watch say BBC 1, Sky sports 1, Discovery then Sky 1 it'll work something like this:

Tuner 1: BBC 1
Tuner 2: Sky Sports 1
Tuner 3: Discovery
Tuner 1: Sky 1

At which point if you switch back to Sky Sports 1 or discovery it'd just switch to the tuner already on the channel, so you can access the buffers for them.

(Obviously until the 3rd tuner is activated it'll just do that with 2 tuners rather than 3)

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Ah, I think I get what you mean. It buffers up to 3 tuners as you flip channels. So from an initial state, turn on channel 101 and tuner 1 starts buffering. Flip to channel 102 and tuner 2 starts buffering. Flip to 103 and tuner 3 starts buffering. Flip to 104 and tuner 1 resets buffer and starts buffering on 104.

So if at that point a program needs recording, does it really nag you that it's going to stop buffering on 102 and 103?!? That sounds very annoying. It should just record.

Update: as Don just clarified, this seems to be right. But still would like the nag aspect clarified.

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Hi all, I live in Sutton, Surrey and had no call yet about the TiVo raffle. Does anyone know if my area has been called yet?
Thanks

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It seems like we are picking VM bill up for TIVO via the 3.00 charge, in a similar way to the Sky plus charge before it was scrapped.

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But, as I see it, TIVO has a lot of extra functionality over a normal PVR; whishlists, inteligent search, suggestions, great programme information, such as season and episode number etc. Initially, it's not surprising that is an extra cost; I think 3 pounds is reasonable, even though I'd like it to be free.

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Is there a point to you continuously dragging up the £3 charge scenario?

When Sky+ launched it was £10 per month

When TV Drive launched it was £10 per month

This is new tech and Virgin have deemed a monthly fee of £3 as suitable for them to both pay TiVo for the service and to make profit... I don't get why you keep asking the same question?

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We'll see , can't see it ever being free , Comcast customers in the USA still pay 3.95 for the service , maybe this is the reason many people are ditching TIVO and using there TV providers offering.

Re: TiVo
 

No, people are ditching TiVo subscriptions and going back to their cableco's because they don't get full functionality of their service by using TiVo and cablecards. TiVo is now working with providers including Cox and Comcast to launch company specific TiVo equipment which allows access to the full range of cableco services as well as TiVo functionality... exactly like the Virgin Media deal.

TiVo may be losing subscription customers but they will be gaining customers through deals with cable and satellite providers, its just a different market for the same product.

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I'm happy to pay it if it means having a frequent updates - as that's a major problem with V+ and added functionality like the mobile apps.

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Will they find it easy here against Sky's offering with Dynamic epg , remote record apps , and no charge for PVR and functions of PVR.

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But here lies the problem , lots won't when they can have a dynamic epg with Sky at no charge.

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It may never be free, but personally, I still think it's worth it for the extra functioality. Others may not think it's worth it though, I accept that.

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To get all that you get with TiVo on Virgin costs more on Sky

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Most people wouldn't know what a dynamic EPG was if it dropped out of a tree (10 minutes early) on their head. They see things like Youtube, iPlayer, 4OD, ITV Player, 5 Player (guessed that one) and hopefully soon Spotify and Lovefilm and they think - WOW sounds great.

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Have a look at the Sky+ iPad app it's pretty good , when you first click it it has showcase of thing on today or you can click TV guide when you click a show off the TV guide it tells you episode 1/24 Series 6 and also gives you other details of the show , it has the function to set remote record up and also says you may also like (for instance I have just clicked greys anatomy and it has put you may also like House , Nip Tuck , ER and Quincy Me and it's free as part of your sky+.

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Who says VM's TiVo isn't looking at things like that? ;)

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I know Jobs would like you to "Think Different" but most people don't have an iPad. Also the added cost of having to have an iPad to have that functionality is a bit steep.

That's not to say I love stuff like that and will get an iPad2 for the TiVo app but i'm not joe public.

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£3 a month for Tivo sounds cheap to me against £10.25 a month per box on Sky just to get HD channels! Even one of Sky's greatest supporters on here (Marcus) admitted that Sky's SD picture was poor. I wonder why?

As I and others have said several times, with the V+ the upscaled SD picture is so good it makes you question the wonders of HD. It seems, however, this may not be the case with the Tivo box. I have not got one so am unable to comment.

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DF you are getting me totally wrong I'm not bashing TIVO saying it's rubbish , in fact if you check my previous posts I've praised it , I'm merely trying to look at the 3.00 charge from a non fanatical point of view.

Re: TiVo
 

That sound's good. Is that information and the suggestions available through the guide when watching the TV, or just on the ipad app?

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It's also for a dedicated 10 meg BB conection and the use of apps.

On top of that the recording functions that require a lot more EPG data than the sky box or current V+

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We are going back to the sky vs virgin you could argue that Sky's line rental if 12 months paid upfront is 9.25 compared to 12.99 for VM there evening and weekend calls are included in line rental this a further 4.00 from VM , there unlimited BB is 7.50 compared to 13.50 with VM and let's not forget if you have sky sports or movies in HD you pay 7.00 add the 3.00 TiVo and you've got a tenner there.

Re: TiVo
 

You do realise this is the internet right? :p:

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I think only available on sky+ apps I think.

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lol :d

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Am I right in thinking that ties you to Sky broadband? If so, this could be a limitation for people who'd like the greater channel choice of sky, but broadband from VM.

Re: TiVo
 

You can get apps on a blu-ray player , TV , mobile phone.

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Have a look at the TiVo iPad app that Neil Burkett has said will be available later this year.

Makes the Sky one look very poor in comparison.

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Know you have to have sky tv subscription to use Sky+ feature then the apps are free to download and use , you have to pay for sky mobile tv I think but not the sky+ apps.

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But the Sky one is available now , you seem to think that Sky and other companies will still have the same STB in another 10 years

Re: TiVo
 

But not from Sky which was the comparison you were making

Plus all those others man using your normal BB whereas TiVo uses its own dedicated link.

Worth £3 on it's own.

Re: TiVo
 

Thanks for clarifying. I think I was getting confused with Sky Anytime?

Re: TiVo
 

Search the web, the TiVo one is available now just not working here so not downloadable here.


What is it with you and talking up Sky, are you trying to justify an iniment move to them ?

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It's free for non commercial use. I haven't looked into it, but I suspect that Virgin would have to pay a substantial amount of money to use it (IMDB is part of Amazon and Amazon is a business, after all).

IMDB is also not always that accurate and despite being originally from the UK (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imdb ), it does not carry UK TV listings.

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I have a tv for watching and a PVR for recording things when I'm not in so like many other people apps are not a big deal. Id rather have an antique dynamic epg which records all of a program than have to worry about setting it all up manually , and be 3.00 better off as well.

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Mupster, I hate to say it but maybe you would be better off with Sky?

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Maybe I would , that's choice like DF says , but this forum is so bias it's untrue, I try and give a balanced perspective as I've been a customer of both.

Re: TiVo
 

Ah you want a VCR with VCRplus. :D


Back to the Eighties with you :p:

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Last time I looked a PVR didnt have tapes :rolleyes:

Re: TiVo
 

I think that's a good thing to have in these discussions.

Re: TiVo
 

Or how about one of those VCR remotes with a barcode reader in and copy of the Radio Times :D

Re: TiVo
 

Or Sky+ HD

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Or a SA brick of a V+ (cloned from the ferguson videostar)

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Correct with it's dynamic epg

Re: TiVo
 

I know where your coming from, Virgin Media are a LONG LONG way from perfect and get a lot of things wrong but this is a forum full of/for people on Virgin Media, it's never going to be unbiased.

Personly I would never go to Sky because of RM and his spawn. I'm more likly to sign up for Gaddafi TV! :shocked:

Re: TiVo
 

That is your choice to be honest I can't stand RM myself , but they have to be credited with some things.

Re: TiVo
 

Is Gaddafi TV a premium channel.

Is it in HD?;)

Re: TiVo
 

On Sky yes :D

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with 3D coming soon! :D

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Nothing wrong with that.

Re: TiVo
 

I believe sky are already showing HD versions of channels that don't even exist yet! :D

Re: TiVo
 

No that's VM saying they are launching 80 HD channels when that many do not even exist yet.

Oh, that's not what they said though. They said that technically they COULD launch 80 HD channels if they want in 2-3 years.

Another myth dispelled.

Re: TiVo
 

I know you're not bashing it. I think you are misunderstanding my posts too :)

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Don't forget I've used the premiere in a home enviroment while on holiday in the US :D

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Did you like it? :)

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I don't think this has been posted on here:

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...89#post8419289


This is from the offical VM forum:

Re: TiVo
 

Apart from me, not that i'm bitter about it (i'm bitter about it). :D

Re: TiVo
 

I'm also in the Sutton area (Wallington) and I've not had a call yet either :bigcry:

Re: TiVo
 

Thanks for the reply. I'm hoping for one soon!

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VIP 50 with extra V+ and still haven't heard a thing!

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Im Oldham, Greater Manchester (North West) and still not got a phone call from the TiVO raffle so your not the only ones.

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September !? :dozey:

Christ it can't take that long !

At least they could just set the default settings to pad a few minutes to the stop time. All they need to do is change 1 variable in the software. They could do it in the next release.

September ? That's crackers !

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VIP50 with extra V+ here in Stafford zilch nothing b-gger all
Dazgwinn
By the way im a series 1 tivo ex owner but not with the lifetime sub.

Re: TiVo
 

Oh and the fact I have a TiVo but don't fall into one of these 3, makes a mockery of the "VERY tightly controlled" statement. :lol: