Re: moses 'parting of the waves' a myth
 

I don't have a problem with you or anyone else questioning my beliefs - on the contrary I welcome it. But what I DO object to is when one of us starts a thread on it you complain that you don't want to see the subject on here, yet IMO you are the one user who starts the most threads on it.

Re: moses 'parting of the waves' a myth
 

yes at one time at that time i made my comment that i did think there was too much, things died down, i havent personally started/read one in months......

im interested and willing to learn about religion itself.

Re: Would you believe in God if??
 

Ah, but little Billy is a young fallible human. He is bound to make mistakes. God on the otherhand is supposed to be all powerful and infallible. Dropped a b*llock with the human race didn't he !! Oh sorry - he can't drop b*llocks, this must what he intended !!! :eek:

As I understand it, god created satan and therefore sin. Why ? Does he have a warped sense of humour, is he 'testing' us and if so, again, why ?

I don't understand the logic if there is any. Everything according to religion is to suit 'god's purpose' and we are incapable of understanding. Not wrong there then !!

Sorry but I am a confirmed atheist. :cool:

Re: moses 'parting of the waves' a myth
 

Reading the thread isn't an issue when you have a title that reads like a statement.
If you really are "questioning" as you claim.. why didn't you put a question mark at the end of the title?

You can see why the title as it stands is a bit inflamatory can't you.

Re: moses 'parting of the waves' a myth
 

yeah it's probably been either totally dreamt up or exagerrated into oblivion

it was probably a kid with a bucket looking for crabs and the story snowballed


as for Russ's comments how come one minute the 'god' is in the old testament threatening this that and the other and making veiled threats at killing kids etc


the next - in the new testament - reinvented as a peacemonger

Re: Would you believe in God if??
 

First of all, why do people start multiple threads on the same subject???????

I WILL be merging them....

NO HE DID NOT. He made us but it was US who chose to turn away from Him.

Because it became aparent we wanted something else other than God's plan he allowed us to make a 2 way choice between good and evil. Would you have prefered to have been a mindless robot controlled by Him?

On that basis you'll never believe. It should be an act of faith. God will never give us 100% irrevocable proof because that would negate us chosing to believe in Him. Such evidence would then compel us to believe.

And even then, some idiot scientist would try and explain it all away.

Re: churchys strike again
 

yes i do actually, can you tell me what he meant by 'help them' i assume he means change them to a diffarent lifestyle i think that should be left to the individual dont you ?

this is factual, i cant post the link as its copyrighted, and im not going to break that.......

and when did i post in this thread i dislike religion or anywhere else, i dont agree with it, but i wont stop anyone from joining any religion or anything
else for that matter.


you can think what you like i post anything i want to, you take it the wrong way thats your problem

Re: moses 'parting of the waves' a myth
 

...or possibly the greatest actions recorded by God.



(sigh) It certainly helps to be discussing this with someone who has a little more knowledge than "pub-level"...

A lot of what was written in the OT was incorrect, one of the reasons for Jesus was to change many of the out-dated teachings which the Jews had held for thousands of years. The 'threats' God made were due to us constantly disobeying and insulting Him.

If your child was that rebelious, would you not discipline him/her?

Re: Would you believe in God if??
 

God didn't create sin, He created angels (Satan) and human beings with free will.. (back to this topic again).
Along with free will came the ability to either obey or disobey Him. Which is where sin gets it's meaning.. (disobeying God).
As we have free will, so too comes the responsibility for those actions.

I believe God does have a sense of humour.. but it isn't warped.. and certainly nothing to do with the evil in our world.

We certainly ARE capable of understanding..the only thing that prevents us is our sin.
Once we ask God to forgive us and believe in Jesus as our Saviour from our justified punishment, then all barriers to knowing and understanding what God reveals to us are removed.

Re: moses 'parting of the waves' a myth
 

Just because it is written in a book doesn`t make it true. The majority of the bible was even written contemporaneously to the events that are described in it. So you have a book written on a basis of recollections, with no guarantee that all of those recollections are accurate, by people with an agenda to promote.

Obviously I cannot stand up and state categorically that none of the contents of the bible are true because, as you point out, we weren`t there to witness the events. But to argue that it must be true because it is written in a book is as equally flawed an argument as you were not there to witness the events yourself.

Re: Would you believe in God if??
 

If we are to follow that argument, sin could not exist without free will, God created free will which provided the underlying mechanism for sin to exist, therefore God created sin.

Re: moses 'parting of the waves' a myth
 

Surely context is critical in answering that question? Rebelling against an oppressive state in the cause of freedom would be different to rebelling against a justified law simply for the sake of it.

Re: moses 'parting of the waves' a myth
 

Yes but when you have accounts of these actions from other sources not connected to the Bible (such as Augustus Caeser's diaries, hardly a religion man yet wrote a LOT about jesus) it tends to lend a lot more weight to the argument.

Who said they rebelled against an opressive state?

Re: moses 'parting of the waves' a myth
 

Again just writings, so they do not provide objective proof.

My apologies, I originally interpreted you comment in too broad a context.

Re: moses 'parting of the waves' a myth
 

Yeah I know, I'm not trying to give you objective proof because that's not what Christianity is about.