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I wonder how traffic shaping of P2P stuff relates to the Bittorent trial

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You can bet they will Tag there system so it is not affected. :)

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The one backed with Caching servers from Cachelogic? ;)

Those caches both serve subscribers on the network AND subscribers off the network. They can impersonate normal users, so that someone off network rather than downloading off you instead downloads off a Cachelogic box pretending to be you.

The result of this is of course that ntl save on upstream capacity on the cable network. You aren't uploading because a caching server is doing your uploading for you. You aren't costing them as much in off-network traffic as you're doing at least some of your downloading from the caching server.

Traffic shaping in this instance can eliminate the need to use WCCP or another load balancing protocol, the traffic shaping kit can transparently redirect your traffic to the caches to achieve the above results.

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Smart **** :p:

:LOL:

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Thats fine, until all ISP start shaping, just like most of them cap now.
And in a month or three they will start offering unshaped accounts at a higher price, its just another way to get more money out of us!

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I just RTFM ;)

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I'm all for caching if it reduces costs and speeds up the network, but there are some interesting legal issues in there.

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Not at all.

The Cachelogics store the 'indexes' to their data purely as hashes, same as other P2P 'clients' do.

There is no way for anyone to know exactly what's on the Cachelogics, therefore the ISPs can claim common carriage as they have no way of knowing what the boxes are storing.

If a content provider wants something removed they can, of course, ask for it to be, they just have to supply a really large hash of the file :)

It's more legally sound than newsgroup servers for example.

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That, my friend, is why we exist. If enough people shout loud enough that they don't want shaped internet, then (according to the theory at least) we should be able to affect change.

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Okay great, bring them on. But this is not the same as traffic shaping.

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Who said anything about the caches supplying the bandwidth at full rates? ;)

It's another way to shape :)

Already systems exist that redirect P2P packets within providers networks to avoid using bandwidth outside them, no reason why this can't be progressed further to a comprehensive caching, rate limiting and shaping solution.

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Absolutely Frank.

The implications that an ISP would cache files for download, where the distribution of those files could be, and will likely be in breach of copyright laws are interesting indeed. I am not sure an ISP can hide behind conduit laws if this was the case.

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They manage it fine for Usenet.

See my earlier post for why legally these are more robust than news servers.

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Hehe - not wishing to start a flamewar here, but what's "not legit" about bitTorrent in and of itself? You can download 5 CD Linux Distros on BitTorrent and that's 100% Legit.....

Of course, I'm making no statement here about the prevailing uses of BitTorrent and P2P applications, but I thought I shoudl point it out.

Move along - nothing to see here....

Muds

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Did any ntl customers get an email about this change to the User Policy from ntl?

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Stop making posts about our MSN conversation :p: I'm giving you ideas obviously :angel: