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And there is a statment of S.E.N so the school gets extra, but it can take a long time to get the statment for the child and some parents try to stop it.

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But should 1to1 teaching be available? Would that money be better spent on improving the education of the others?

It's all a matter of making it fair. It's not fair to have kids with ADHD slowing down the others and it's not fair to have ADHD with 1to1 education.


Do you support that? I certainly don't - there are enough 'special' disruptive youngsters in most schools without the extra burden.

So they want extra care for their kids, but they'd rather the money for it come from the other schools funds to the loss of all the others? They deserve to be hung!

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I'm sorry i dont understand, a statment of special educational needs means that the school gets extra funding from the government so the other children dont suffer :confused:

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Sorry, I didn't put that very well. :) I meant those parents that try to stop the SEN from going through - they effectively want the best for their child whilst robbing from the pockets of others. :sleep:

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:tu: :D

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My wife works in a residential home NVQ2 Certificate, if the scenario was like you stated she would not have been there more than a day, plus a report to the appropiate authorities.

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The process of having a child staemented is very difficult and takes years to get the statement.

Each child has to be observed without them knowing its happening. Part of the process is

If an assessment goes ahead, the LEA will ask a number of people to give their views on the child. They will ask for advice from:

* the childââ‚ƚ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s school
* an educational psychologist
* a doctor
* social services (who will only give advice if they know the child)
* anyone else whose advice the LEA think is appropriate

Parents can attend any interview, medical or other test during the assessment. You know your child best so your views are important. What your child thinks also plays a big part in the assessment.

You should feel free to suggest any other people or organisations you know whose views may be helpful. The LEA should then ask for these views and take them into account as part of the assessment. You may want to think about asking:

After all this the LEA and all who have assessed the child have a meeting and decide what level of statement if at all.

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We had him refered to c.a.m.h.s at the bolton hospital, with help from all the people you mentioned apart from social services, it has taken 4yrs he is now 8.
and a lot of hard work.

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Yes and that is 4 yrs to long IMPO these children are not getting the extra support they need until the statement is through.

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That is why we opted for home education, rather than disrupt the other children.

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A report to the apropriate authorities is completely useless when said authorities pre inform the residency of allegations and impending visit. My wife was there for less than a month. most staff did not last much longer than 3 months here, my wife at the time had never worked in the field before, but documentation was available on requirements that legally had to be met, this was researched and several offences both of continiual and individual nature was reported. The place did not even have a cleaner, the care staff all of which was in their teens except one (who was the night shift) was expected to do the entire cleaning aswell as all the care duties. This was 3-4 staff depending on wether they had found anyone to replace the last staff that left, plus an unqualified night shift person, for about 12 residents in two houses (the owners did reside in the other house), the value of which I would estimate even at that time to be worth a good million, as a profitablke business maybe more. with an income between the 2 houses of around £600,00 0+ PA they could easily have afforded to run it properly. This is what you call living the life of reily at the expense of others.

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£37500 a year now do people still think some people with children dont get over the top help?

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If you read what orangebird posted, i think at least 3 are on disability out of a family of 10, and the money is between 10 and not 1 person ;)

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This is a false war, the biggest abuse of benefit fraud is when children are involved and with people claiming JSA when they work, incapacity has a very low fraud rate, especially for people claiming it short term. Like has already been pointed out a particurly bad case marks thousands of people wrongly in a bad way. Blair's war is to get sick people forced to work causing them uneeded stress and making them concentrate their energy in the wrong place, if he wants ill people back to work faster then perhaps he should sort out them having to wait 6 months between each hospital appointment and them having to constantly fight the benefit system to get their money.

A big chunk of benefit fraud would be cut if some kind of child bearing laws were put in place like china maybe? or maybe dependant on job status or wealth, blair is on a war to cut child poverty (adult poverty not mentioned) which generally means throwing more benefits at parents.

The benefits listed by OB showed my point about duplicate benefits paid out for children.

Child benefit £4,747. 60

Carers' allowance (for a child who has chronic asthma) £5,691. 40
Disability living allowance (for the same child) £5,051. 80
These 2 benefits are been paid out for the exact same thing, if it was an adult who had asthma they would at most just get DLA and defenitly not carers allowance but would likely get neither, my sister has asthma and gets no benefit for it.

Disability allowance (for another child with chronic asthma) £3,754. 40
This brings up another question, a adult on lower rate DLA would get somewhere in the region of £720 a year, a very low amount, I would be very interested how this is worked out since DLA is a topup benefit and is very unusual for that amount to be paid out unless the person needs serious attention and care, but since she is a parent unemployed anyway with the time for her child why is this payment needed?

Income support (Mrs Bardsley and children) £13,710 .84
IS is supposed to come into account after all benefits are calculated, eg. if the law says you need £56 a week to live on and you get £55 JSA then you can claim £1 a week IS, so this is benefit is been for one of 2 reasons and it is either because the law says she needs £37k to live on and this is the top up (very absurb if true) or she is getting it for some other reason probably claiming sickness for herself (people who claim incapacity and havent paid enough tax, will be on income support instead) but note how it says and for her children, this is now a 3rd benefit for her children (duplicated 3 times for 2 kids twice for the rest). A childless adult claiming IS would generally be getting between £2400 and £4000 a year.

Incapacity benefit (for Mr Bardsley who has had depression since his father died six years ago) £4,446. 00
This isnt means tested but he is married to someone else who is claiming over 30k worth of benefits which I think normally would disqualify him, I am guessing here that the fact he has children probably turned the decision in his favour.

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More like about three will be left in each class. Nice.

And let's not forget the insanely bright who will get bored rigid if they're not stimulated enough. They shouldn't have to find public/grammar schools who will cater for them, it's practically the same as special needs whereas kids with learning difficulties need help to grasp things insanely bright kids need something to do.

Disruptive kids usually fall into two categories- the kids who don't understand it and are frustrated, and the kids who understood it straight away and are bored so have to entertain their minds somehow.