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papa smurf 30-06-2026 09:19
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Oh come on Papa, that's just plain ridiculous. I know the price of petrol is (allegedly) on the way down, but it's still costly. I'd suggest half a gallon at most, which should be enough to get them within sight of the French coastguard . . . who will then supply them with 3 liters of petrol and point them our way. :D
people do say i am overly generous

Sephiroth 30-06-2026 09:26
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36218565)
Oh come on Papa, that's just plain ridiculous. I know the price of petrol is (allegedly) on the way down, but it's still costly. I'd suggest half a gallon at most, which should be enough to get them within sight of the French coastguard . . . who will then supply them with 3 liters of petrol and point them our way. :D
This ping-pong would be an excellent idea. As you may recall. I'm in favour of an international incident whereby we simply push the boats back toward France. This needs to be brought to a head via a declaration of national emergency. The £4+ billion spent on this nonsense annually would go a long way (in the right hands) to reviving the economy.

1andrew1 30-06-2026 10:05
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36218554)

"Reindustrialise": Yes

"No 10 North": Ridiculous. Get growth first then tinker.

"More devolution": Not before there is a nationally consulted and funded plan. At this stage - gollox.

"Government is broken": No shit.
Devolution is needed. BoJo spent a whopping £96m on regenerating Hartlepool. The voters there ended up voting Remain as they felt the money being spent was not as they wished.

No 10 North. Get growth first? We've struggled with getting growth to date so no harm in trying other ideas like this to get it. Manchester is a success story and it's daft not to aspire to replicate its success elsewwhere.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36218567)
This ping-pong would be an excellent idea. As you may recall. I'm in favour of an international incident whereby we simply push the boats back toward France. This needs to be brought to a head via a declaration of national emergency. The £4+ billion spent on this nonsense annually would go a long way (in the right hands) to reviving the economy.
If the solution is to adopt one of Trump's undemocratic ways of working, you're asking the wrong question.

Sephiroth 30-06-2026 10:25
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36218570)
Devolution is needed. BoJo spent a whopping £96m on regenerating Hartlepool. The voters there ended up voting Remain as they felt the money being spent was not as they wished.

No 10 North. Get growth first? We've struggled with getting growth to date so no harm in trying other ideas like this to get it. Manchester is a success story and it's daft not to aspire to replicate its success elsewwhere.

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If the solution is to adopt one of Trump's undemocratic ways of working, you're asking the wrong question.

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Devolution is needed. BoJo spent a whopping £96m on regenerating Hartlepool. The voters there ended up voting Remain as they felt the money being spent was not as they wished.

No 10 North. Get growth first? We've struggled with getting growth to date so no harm in trying other ideas like this to get it. Manchester is a success story and it's daft not to aspire to replicate its success elsewhere.
More devolution needs thinking through and would take a couple of years to implement and a lot of government resource that would be etter dire4xcted to other projects.

The pros, cons, legals, protection from runaway taxation, etc, all need to carefully thought through and debated with the public. There also need to be cultural constraints so that we don't get local Islamic republics in the UK.

No 10 North is extreme gimmicky gollox at this point in time. Manchester city growth may well have outstripped the UK as a whole. But that's not macro-economy, and sigma local economies will not make primary steel, defence procurements, grant North Sea drilling licences and so on.

Burnham needs to engage a clear thinker (that's me) to guide the progression of his initiatives.

Hugh 30-06-2026 11:31
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It’s now become patently obvious that Seph is an early iteration of an AI chatbot (ChatGPTory?), evinced by the recent hallucinatory posts… :D

Carth 30-06-2026 11:40
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Speaking of hallucinatory posts, I see Starmer is pledging money for defense drones "to keep people safer"


I never knew we could use drones to combat knife crime, car theft, vandalism, fraud, and feral teenagers.

You learn something every day :D

Sephiroth 30-06-2026 12:00
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36218582)
It’s now become patently obvious that Seph is an early iteration of an AI chatbot (ChatGPTory?), evinced by the recent hallucinatory posts… :D
You need to see somebody - quickly. I wonder how many people agree with you.

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36218583)
Speaking of hallucinatory posts, I see Starmer is pledging money for defense drones "to keep people safer"


I never knew we could use drones to combat knife crime, car theft, vandalism, fraud, and feral teenagers.

You learn something every day :D
.... nor the thousands of sub-machine guns in the basement of the Iranian Embassy.

And how would we deal with Argentina when they try their tricks again?

Carth 30-06-2026 12:02
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You need to see somebody - quickly. I wonder how many people agree with you.
Don't worry about it Seph, Hugh often refers to me as an iteration of someone or something.


I sometimes wonder if we're becoming an item :erm: :D

1andrew1 30-06-2026 12:33
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36218578)

More devolution needs thinking through and would take a couple of years to implement and a lot of government resource that would be etter dire4xcted to other projects.

The pros, cons, legals, protection from runaway taxation, etc, all need to carefully thought through and debated with the public. There also need to be cultural constraints so that we don't get local Islamic republics in the UK.

No 10 North is extreme gimmicky gollox at this point in time. Manchester city growth may well have outstripped the UK as a whole. But that's not macro-economy, and sigma local economies will not make primary steel, defence procurements, grant North Sea drilling licences and so on.

Burnham needs to engage a clear thinker (that's me) to guide the progression of his initiatives.
I'm sure any devolution would not be an overnight matter, These things take time - more evolution than revolution.

Not sure how relevant listing things here like defence procurement is, no one is suggesting it is not a national matter. But it looks like some aspects of devolution do work, as this report on health shows.
https://gmintegratedcare.org.uk/heal...nts-to-health/

Sephiroth 30-06-2026 12:44
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36218593)
I'm sure any devolution would not be an overnight matter, These things take time - more evolution than revolution.

Not sure how relevant listing things here like defence procurement is, no one is suggesting it is not a national matter. But it looks like some aspects of devolution do work, as this report on health shows.
https://gmintegratedcare.org.uk/heal...nts-to-health/
The national matters need urgent resolution before Miliband blows all the blast furnaces up etc.

Tinkering with "No 10 North" and "Devolution" is not needed now and can be separately planned over a multi-year period and with public consent. In particular it has to be framed so that North/South broadly agree with each other.

Hugh 30-06-2026 12:47
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You need to see somebody - quickly. I wonder how many people agree with you.

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.... nor the thousands of sub-machine guns in the basement of the Iranian Embassy.

And how would we deal with Argentina when they try their tricks again?
Probably with the infantry forces, Royal Artillery (with Sky Sabre surface-to-air missile systems) and Royal Engineer detachments we currently have there, along with the RAF Typhoon QRA squadron, and the Frigate or Destroyer that is on permanent patrol there…

The Argentinians most modern airplanes are second-hand F16s - no match for Typhoons…

1andrew1 30-06-2026 12:51
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The national matters need urgent resolution before Miliband blows all the blast furnaces up etc.

Tinkering with "No 10 North" and "Devolution" is not needed now and can be separately planned over a multi-year period and with public consent. In particular it has to be framed so that North/South broadly agree with each other.
Devolution as I said is an evolutionary thing, as it has been to date in England. It doesn't need to pause whilst we decide whether to natinalise some steel assets or not.

Sephiroth 30-06-2026 12:52
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At least you got that right - but missed the point.

1andrew1 30-06-2026 13:15
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Time to be more positive and not talking this great nation of ours down.

Hugh has explained that we're stronger militarily than Argentina so all good on that front. And after this recent heatwave, it's time to park those dreams of coal-fired furnaces and power stations and focus on cost effective renewables that cut our energy bills, help manufacturing to be more competitive and help us regain our energy sovereignty.

And the Telegraph officially comes under German control today by an EU-supporting owner; what's not to like?

Sephiroth 30-06-2026 13:25
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36218608)
Time to be more positive and not talking this great nation of ours down.

Hugh has explained that we're stronger militarily than Argentina so all good on that front. And after this recent heatwave, it's time to park those dreams of coal-fired furnaces and power stations and focus on cost effective renewables that cut our energy bills, help manufacturing to be more competitive and help us regain our energy sovereignty.

And the Telegraph officially comes under German control today by an EU-supporting owner; what's not to like?
This net-zero lark has decimated business by making energy more expensive than anywhere else in the world. And that's on top of the tax take.

You mention "cost-effective"? Are you sure that wind power is cheaper than gas, especially gas we don't have to transport from the Red Sea? By all means add nuclear energy, wind farms (but not at extortionate land rent prices), solar power etc. But not at a pace that destroys our economy.


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