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papa smurf

03-08-2025 09:39

Re: So much for the views held here

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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36200316)

I didn’t join CF for politics. I came to have fun and to improve cable tv output. Now I’m not sure if any of that applies.

Have you improved cable tv output?

Sephiroth

03-08-2025 09:42

Re: So much for the views held here

Hugh asks a fair question. "Far right" and "right wing" to my mind are merged concepts. The pedantic might say that anything right of "centre" (whatever the "centre" is) is on the right wing of politics.

But generally, we all understand that, in present context, right wing politics = far right politics - namely the people that Starmer says support Lucy Connolly and the injustice of her imprisonment. Waters nicely muddied.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36200318)

It really doesn’t.

The Encyclopaedia Brittanica dictionary says

Also from Brittanica

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...5&d=1754209113

What’s your definition of right wing? (please don’t default to your previous standard answer of "its well understood"…

I endorse the political spectrum diagram provided that we can contextualise "centre".

Hugh	03-08-2025 10:26

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But generally, we all understand that, in present context, right wing politics = far right politics

No, "we" don’t…

Just repeating it doesn’t make it true…

A recent YouGov survey showed

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articl...right-spectrum

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Where do Britons place the parties on the spectrum?

When it comes to how voters see the main UK parties, the order is probably not that surprising to those familiar with the terms. The Greens are seen as the most left-wing of the five main parties, with an average score of -55, followed by Labour on -36 and the Lib Dems as the most ‘centrist’ party on -23.

The Conservatives are perceived as somewhat right-wing, scoring +51, while Reform UK are seen as being the furthest out from the centre, with Britons giving them an average score of +69.

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How do Britons’ views of the parties compare to those of experts?

A test of the public understanding of ‘left’ and ‘right’ is to compare their views with experts. Since 1999, the Chapel Hill Center for European Studies has conducted periodic surveys of political scientists about the positioning of European political parties, with the most recent results published earlier this year.

When comparing the two sets of data, the British public and the experts are broadly agreed on the placements of the Conservatives, Lib Dems and Greens. But when it comes to Labour, political scientists view the party as closer to the centre than the public do (-36 vs -24), while seeing Reform UK as further to the right (+69 vs +85).

Jaymoss

03-08-2025 10:28

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36200322)

I do not see where those who now tend to air on the DILLIGAF spectrum and I do not mean the late great Jefferson Tarn but those who just do not care any more and have given up expecting anyone to actually do anything good in power

thenry

03-08-2025 11:00

Re: So much for the views held here

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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36200316)

I didn’t join CF for politics. I came to have fun and to improve cable tv output. Now I’m not sure if any of that applies.

Show us your boobs then Ms funfunfun :spin:

And cable has indeed improved. There are no cloned modems on the network. :D

Carth

03-08-2025 11:26

Re: So much for the views held here

After further reading of this thread, I've come to the conclusion I'm neither Left, Middle or Right concerning my political stance.

I, like probably a few million others, just don't bother voting, because one set of self serving inept politicians is just as pathetic as the other.

It's definitely time for real changes, and if there aren't any on the horizon, the race to the bottom will still be in the hands of those too 'scared' to stop blindly running. :PP:

SnoopZ

03-08-2025 11:35

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36200330)

Show us your boobs then Ms funfunfun :spin:

And cable has indeed improved. There are no cloned modems on the network. :D

Brave man after her last reply when you said something like that to Maggy... :dig:

Carth

03-08-2025 11:38

Re: So much for the views held here

Maggy, like a few of us older folk, probably has distant relatives that were members of the Spanish Inquisition :D

thenry

03-08-2025 11:40

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Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36200333)

Brave man after her last reply when you said something like that to Maggy... :dig:

You got my 6£ yet?

Itshim

03-08-2025 11:42

Re: So much for the views held here

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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36200316)

I didn’t join CF for politics. I came to have fun and to improve cable tv output. Now I’m not sure if any of that applies.

To state the obvious, don't read the thread

SnoopZ

03-08-2025 11:44

Re: So much for the views held here

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Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36200336)

You got my 6£ yet?

I've spoken to my financial advisor and my lawyer and they have reviewed your case and their judgement is you screwed yourself over in trying to sell a piece of junk phone in the first place so in fact you owe me £16. :D

Sephiroth

03-08-2025 13:27

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I’ll put this “right wing / far right” thing another way, notwithstanding the political scientists and their absolute lack of understanding of what people think.

What is it, specifically (as in policies or pronouncements), about Reform UK that puts them on the “right wing” and at which number on the 65-89 scale?

As a follow-up question, where does GB News sit on that scale and why? Russia certainly that GB News is “overtly right wing” but won’t define “right wing” from his perspective.

Paul	03-08-2025 14:27

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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36200337)

To state the obvious, don't read the thread

To state the obvious, that part of the job of being a Moderator.

Sephiroth

03-08-2025 17:06

Re: So much for the views held here

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36200349)

To state the obvious, that part of the job of being a Moderator.

But Maggy said she joined to have fun, not to be a Moderator.

Hugh	03-08-2025 17:51

Re: So much for the views held here

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36200345)

I’ll put this “right wing / far right” thing another way, notwithstanding the political scientists and their absolute lack of understanding of what people think.

What is it, specifically (as in policies or pronouncements), about Reform UK that puts them on the “right wing” and at which number on the 65-89 scale?

As a follow-up question, where does GB News sit on that scale and why? Russia certainly that GB News is “overtly right wing” but won’t define “right wing” from his perspective.

But it’s not what "political scientists and their absolute lack of understanding of what people think" - the link above referenced what people think; just because it’s not what you think, doesn’t make their views invalid…

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