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OLD BOY 13-04-2025 17:56
Re: New set top box
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36194627)
Another example of having a wrong opinion but stating it as a fact?
Why the constant pokes? I can add links as well.

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...g-feature.html



Extract from EE’s Customer Email

As you’re watching EE TV in Internet Mode (without an aerial), the way you watch your BBC recordings will change.

From 21st August [2024], your BBC recordings will launch through the BBC iPlayer app. There’s no change to how you’ll record a programme, or where it will be stored.

Put another way, the recordings may oddly still be stored on the box, but your access to record and re-watch related content is going to be limited by iPlayer’s policies. For example, much of iPlayer’s content is only made available for 30 days after broadcast (sometimes longer, sometimes shorter) and downloaded programmes are generally available for the same amount of time. But not everything gets added to iPlayer and content does expire, which will also impact your recordings (i.e. you won’t be able to watch what isn’t available).

Hugh 13-04-2025 18:25
Re: New set top box
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36194558)
Yes, it can record from live TV (Freeview), but that won’t be possible when Freeview closes down because the transmitters will no longer be available for TV broadcasts.

As for ‘recording from IP streamed channels’, are you sure about that? Some systems may describe ‘recording from the cloud’, but it is effectively drawing your requested programme from on demand.

Although you may think that BBC programmes are ‘recordable’ from IP streamed channels, you are effectively accessing those programmes from the BBCi-Player.
Quote:
Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36194627)
Another example of having a wrong opinion but stating it as a fact?
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36194649)
Why the constant pokes? I can add links as well.

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...g-feature.html



Extract from EE’s Customer Email

As you’re watching EE TV in Internet Mode (without an aerial), the way you watch your BBC recordings will change.

From 21st August [2024], your BBC recordings will launch through the BBC iPlayer app. There’s no change to how you’ll record a programme, or where it will be stored.

Put another way, the recordings may oddly still be stored on the box, but your access to record and re-watch related content is going to be limited by iPlayer’s policies. For example, much of iPlayer’s content is only made available for 30 days after broadcast (sometimes longer, sometimes shorter) and downloaded programmes are generally available for the same amount of time. But not everything gets added to iPlayer and content does expire, which will also impact your recordings (i.e. you won’t be able to watch what isn’t available).
The programme is still recorded on the box, it’s "related content" that is different…

And this is only relevant to

"Until now those with ‘Internet Mode’ enabled on the related set-top-box could still record TV content directly to local storage on their Pro Box from the streamed BBC channels, much like you can when watching via a regular aerial connection. "

Not those using

" ‘Broadcast Mode‘ "

You appear to have accidentally overlooked these relevant points which were either side of what you quoted…

epsilon 14-04-2025 05:01
Re: New set top box
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36194649)
Put another way, the recordings may oddly still be stored on the box, but your access to record and re-watch related content is going to be limited by iPlayer’s policies. For example, much of iPlayer’s content is only made available for 30 days after broadcast (sometimes longer, sometimes shorter) and downloaded programmes are generally available for the same amount of time. But not everything gets added to iPlayer and content does expire, which will also impact your recordings (i.e. you won’t be able to watch what isn’t available).
So, in a nutshell, content is still recorded on the harddrive and isn't bookmarked iPlayer content as you originally claimed.
It would be much better if you would stick to reporting the facts rather than re-framing everything to fit in with your vision of the future.

OLD BOY 14-04-2025 17:14
Re: New set top box
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36194650)
The programme is still recorded on the box, it’s "related content" that is different…

And this is only relevant to

"Until now those with ‘Internet Mode’ enabled on the related set-top-box could still record TV content directly to local storage on their Pro Box from the streamed BBC channels, much like you can when watching via a regular aerial connection. "

Not those using

" ‘Broadcast Mode‘ "

You appear to have accidentally overlooked these relevant points which were either side of what you quoted…
Thank you for clarifying, but yes, I am aware. Yes, the ‘recording’ goes onto the hard drive, but it is basically no better than on demand. It is not permanently recorded if you fail to delete it - it disappears when it’s taken off the on demand system.

It’s all smoke and mirrors.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36194667)
So, in a nutshell, content is still recorded on the harddrive and isn't bookmarked iPlayer content as you originally claimed.
It would be much better if you would stick to reporting the facts rather than re-framing everything to fit in with your vision of the future.
It’s a technical point but it’s no different from on demand in practice. It appears on the hard drive. The similarity stops there.

Paul 14-04-2025 17:58
Re: New set top box
 
Its either recorded, or it isnt, there is no "smoke and mirrors".

epsilon 14-04-2025 18:11
Re: New set top box
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36194691)
ThIt’s a technical point but it’s no different from on demand in practice. It appears on the hard drive. The similarity stops there.
Not really, it's a BBC issue rather than an EETV issue. It is similar to how they encode their DASH audio streams over the internet to control access and prevent services such as Radio 1 Dance from working on Wi-Fi radios. They also, largely, have full control of their audio / video TV streams on other platforms so, if they wished, they could encode the streams so that they, say, need a live synchronisation signal from the internet. They could, technically, turn off the hypothetical synchronisation to time out recordings even without them being hosted on iPlayer.
The audio streams are, supposedly, encrypted so that they only work on BBC Sounds. In reality, they are designed not to work with the DASH stream implementation of Wi-Fi radios. The streams can be made to play on stand alone audio players.
That, by the way, is an actual technical point. ;)

Hugh 14-04-2025 18:39
Re: New set top box
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36194700)
Not really, it's a BBC issue rather than an EETV issue. It is similar to how they encode their DASH audio streams over the internet to control access and prevent services such as Radio 1 Dance from working on Wi-Fi radios. They also, largely, have full control of their audio / video TV streams on other platforms so, if they wished, they could encode the streams so that they, say, need a live synchronisation signal from the internet. They could, technically, turn off the hypothetical synchronisation to time out recordings even without them being hosted on iPlayer.
The audio streams are, supposedly, encrypted so that they only work on BBC Sounds. In reality, they are designed not to work with the DASH stream implementation of Wi-Fi radios. The streams can be made to play on stand alone audio players.
That, by the way, is an actual technical point. ;)
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OLD BOY 14-04-2025 19:23
Re: New set top box
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by epsilon (Post 36194700)
Not really, it's a BBC issue rather than an EETV issue. It is similar to how they encode their DASH audio streams over the internet to control access and prevent services such as Radio 1 Dance from working on Wi-Fi radios. They also, largely, have full control of their audio / video TV streams on other platforms so, if they wished, they could encode the streams so that they, say, need a live synchronisation signal from the internet. They could, technically, turn off the hypothetical synchronisation to time out recordings even without them being hosted on iPlayer.
The audio streams are, supposedly, encrypted so that they only work on BBC Sounds. In reality, they are designed not to work with the DASH stream implementation of Wi-Fi radios. The streams can be made to play on stand alone audio players.
That, by the way, is an actual technical point. ;)
Thank you. I guess the point I was trying to make was that the EE recording from streamed BBC programmes were no different from bookmarking. They both disappear from your list when the date for retention runs out.

That doesn’t happen with normal recordings.

epsilon 14-04-2025 20:14
Re: New set top box
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36194707)
Thank you. I guess the point I was trying to make was that the EE recording from streamed BBC programmes were no different from bookmarking. They both disappear from your list when the date for retention runs out.

That doesn’t happen with normal recordings.
It doesn't happen with all IPTV recordings either but it is possible. Most providers haven't enabled IPTV / Cloud recording in the UK. Aunty Beeb is a total control freak when it comes to managing content.

It goes further, traditional Wi-Fi radios now seem to be being replaced with internet enabled radios. That is radios with a BBC Sounds app, a TuneIn app (remember that the UK prevents TuneIn from delivering content from overseas stations to UK customers). A Spotify app, maybe Amazon Music, Deezer, Tidal etc but no direct access to web radio streams. Not progress, a massive step backwards akin to what you call bookmarking. There is no need for this other that the "powers that be" restricting content availability. Welcome to your future...

nodrogd 18-04-2025 09:58
Re: New set top box
 
The BBC iPlayer does allow you to download programmes to a device for watching offline, so I assume the box uses this same functionality.

Mr K 18-04-2025 21:20
Re: New set top box
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nodrogd (Post 36194868)
The BBC iPlayer does allow you to download programmes to a device for watching offline, so I assume the box uses this same functionality.
Not any device any more. They removed the download facility on pc/mac. https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-68283165
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Hugh 18-04-2025 22:15
Re: New set top box
 
Still works on tablets.


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