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jfman 27-05-2026 19:09

Re: SNP: Two Murrells, one motorhome and a shed-load of missing cash
 
The armchair sleuths that Mr Anwar disapproves of are pondering was he buying these as gifts for other people (who? Why?) or subsequently selling items to get cash (again, for what purpose?).

Some of the SNP payroll mouthpieces on social media initially deployed the “why would she?” card - she had a well paying job, prestige, fame to an extent etc. The same, to an extent, would apply to him. He’d never be the elected public face of a party, but for roles pulling the strings in the background in steering the direction of the party, the people, perhaps even the policies (not alone, but as a group). He had that too - a well paying job for over twenty years.

Something doesn’t add up that the guy had a penchant for expensive pens and coffee machines. The guy doesn’t even have a fancy pair of spectacles.

nomadking 27-05-2026 20:07

Re: SNP: Two Murrells, one motorhome and a shed-load of missing cash
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36216196)
The armchair sleuths that Mr Anwar disapproves of are pondering was he buying these as gifts for other people (who? Why?) or subsequently selling items to get cash (again, for what purpose?).

Some of the SNP payroll mouthpieces on social media initially deployed the “why would she?” card - she had a well paying job, prestige, fame to an extent etc. The same, to an extent, would apply to him. He’d never be the elected public face of a party, but for roles pulling the strings in the background in steering the direction of the party, the people, perhaps even the policies (not alone, but as a group). He had that too - a well paying job for over twenty years.

Something doesn’t add up that the guy had a penchant for expensive pens and coffee machines. The guy doesn’t even have a fancy pair of spectacles.

Why spend £3.60 of your own money on shower cleaner, when the SNP can pay for it. That's how trivial some of the purchases were.

jfman 27-05-2026 20:31

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36216198)
Why spend £3.60 of your own money on shower cleaner, when the SNP can pay for it. That's how trivial some of the purchases were.

It’s quite bizarre it’d have been good to have a trial to find out. Fingers crossed for public inquiry. Not like Mr Anwar to be opposed to one of those!

1andrew1 29-05-2026 14:03

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36216198)
Why spend £3.60 of your own money on shower cleaner, when the SNP can pay for it. That's how trivial some of the purchases were.

Is there a pattern to the smaller purchases. Was he addicted to theft and hope he would get caught? This does not look like rational behaviour for a successful thief.

nomadking 29-05-2026 15:05

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36216259)
Is there a pattern to the smaller purchases. Was he addicted to theft and hope he would get caught? This does not look like rational behaviour for a successful thief.

Not really. Just seems to a case of which card he used.
The campervan is the odd purchase. Couldn't use it or sell it without attracting attention. Some items were obviously presents for a couple of kids(two kids scooters, two XBox 360s). Other items may have been bought as gifts.
We should hear more details next week.
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An examination of facts surrounding the case is due to be heard on 2 June.
Strange to think the fraud could've still been going on if nobody had complained about the indyref2 donations.

1andrew1 29-05-2026 16:28

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36216262)
Strange to think the fraud could've still been going on if nobody had complained about the indyref2 donations.

Thanks. The controls in the SNP seem very weak.

jfman 29-05-2026 22:35

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36216267)
Thanks. The controls in the SNP seem very weak.

They indeed were, weak is generous they are non-existent.

I suspect now Swinney is terminally harmed, just as Starmer is wailing on the ropes at the end of his premiership there is no way Swinney can survive medium to longer term.

The ambitious Mr Flynn, relatively unscathed by this, might see summer recess as an opportunity to pragmatically offer 'the party' the opportunity to draw a line under the affair. What did he know? When? Probably very little.

Easy to bat away that he was in London. Not true of his most likely opponents in a leadership contest. Some of whom would be close advisers, confidants and proteges of the now disgraced Ms Sturgeon.

Chris 29-05-2026 23:22

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I imagine at this point, Swinney’s blindly assuming that the threat of a Scotland Office-led inquiry is grist to the nat grievance mill, but he needs to be a bit careful. The SNP garnered about a third of the votes the other week and is sitting on a plurality because of a quirk of the system (a quirk designed to keep Labour in power, to be fair). There’s no reason to believe public opinion will rally to his cause if it looks like an SNP first minister is refusing to have the SNP-led Parliament investigate a scandal that taints a former SNP chief executive, a former SNP first minster and other members of a former SNP cabinet in which Swinney himself served.

papa smurf 30-05-2026 05:40

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oh come on who hasn't bought a motor home and a couple of new cars...... without the other half noticing:erm:

Carth 30-05-2026 07:10

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To be honest, the wife seems to have a magic wardrobe where new shoes, handbags & dresses keep appearing, but I'm pretty sure I'd notice the arrival of anything that sits in the drive and blocks me getting the car out :D

jfman 30-05-2026 07:55

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36216288)
I imagine at this point, Swinney’s blindly assuming that the threat of a Scotland Office-led inquiry is grist to the nat grievance mill, but he needs to be a bit careful. The SNP garnered about a third of the votes the other week and is sitting on a plurality because of a quirk of the system (a quirk designed to keep Labour in power, to be fair). There’s no reason to believe public opinion will rally to his cause if it looks like an SNP first minister is refusing to have the SNP-led Parliament investigate a scandal that taints a former SNP chief executive, a former SNP first minster and other members of a former SNP cabinet in which Swinney himself served.

My guess is this would massively backfire for Swinney. It would also rely on all of their stories holding up for a sustained period. No Comment Nicola is finding this is extremely challenging every time she opens her mouth this week.

It’s easier to manufacture grievance if the perceived injustice is against the people of Scotland. The UK squandering Scotland’s energy wealth, pesky UKG blocking the genderwoo Bill on a technicality (their sell, not my position), etc.

In this case Murrell has been caught with his hand in the till and when anyone pointed out the till was short they got told they couldn’t look any more by Sturgeon and others. For me it’s this detail, verifiable in meetings on record, public appearances, etc. that is the fatal blow more than flash cars, coffee machines, handbags.

jfman 30-05-2026 20:26

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No comment Nicola on Kuessenberg tomorrow. Sick bucket at the ready.

nomadking 31-05-2026 07:51

Re: SNP: Two Murrells, one motorhome and a shed-load of missing cash
 
Should at least some of any Proceeds of Crime Act also apply to her? After all, she benefited financially from not having to pay her share of household expenses and for things that seem to have been gifts for other people. Eg Not likely that the two Vtriker kids scooters were for them. That should help the total sum recovered.

Even though she claims it was all him, both of them had higher bank balances as a result of SNP funding their household. Although that might be seen as indirect benefits, the only apparent direct benefit was when a car was sold. Haven't seen a mention of a direct transfer of money to his bank account

papa smurf 31-05-2026 07:59

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36216354)
No comment Nicola on Kuessenberg tomorrow. Sick bucket at the ready.

ive seen a preview i would suggest a box of tissues,it's a real tear jerker :rolleyes:

nomadking 31-05-2026 10:35

Re: SNP: Two Murrells, one motorhome and a shed-load of missing cash
 
She claimed that the SNP couldn't do any internal investigation after the 4 resignations because of the police inquiry. The police inquiry didn't start until 4 months after the first of the resignations.
She also tried to deflect by saying that nobody made accusations of fraud. That is correct, but that wasn't their complaint. They weren't allowed to see the accounts. They might've spotted transactions that didn't seem quite right.
Even the police had difficulties identifying the list of fraudulent transactions. They had to contact the retailers and ask what was a certain transaction related to. Bit difficult to argue snail tongs and forks were legitimate SNP purchases.


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