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Re: Deportation of illegal migrants

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36125286)

"bleeding hearts"? God, you are special.

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Farage, the author of the racist "Breaking Point" Brexit poster, is your evidence? Again, where is your proof that significant numbers of asylum seekers throw away their documentation?

I'll try not to lose my temper. It's video footage. Do you dispute it?

Re: Deportation of illegal migrants

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36125297)

It stands to reason that those who throw their documents away and they do, do it, are not genuine asylum seekers. They’re playing the system, causing a ruckus with genuine asylum claims.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36125299)

I'll try not to lose my temper. It's video footage. Do you dispute it?

If it doesn't fit there argument of cause they do

Re: Deportation of illegal migrants

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36125277)

It is obvious to any reasonable person they dump their documents so they can not be sent home. No docs = no idea where they are from so where would you send them. Now they have an answer send them to Africa. I wonder how many of the bleeding hearts would be willing to put a few up and feed them and so on. Can be sure it is not many

Bang on, they're here to work the system, economic migrants imo, just look at the boats, they are filled with young men, why don't they stay in France? It's a safe country.
I don't think our NHS/Schools etc etc can take any more, some must be at breaking point, especially in the south east.

Re: Deportation of illegal migrants

Unlikely that the flight will leave with any passengers as a court in France has ruled that at least one of the deportations should not take place.

Moderate irony alert......

Re: Deportation of illegal migrants

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Originally Posted by Julian (Post 36125310)

Unlikely that the flight will leave with any passengers as a court in France has ruled that at least one of the deportations should not take place.

Moderate irony alert......

Quelle surprise ....

You'd swear there wasn't any real policy here and it's just been a deliberately created fuss, to get red top headlines , make courts enemies, get Europe involved, to divert attention from the chief muppet....

Re: Deportation of illegal migrants

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61806048

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The European Court of Human Rights (ECtHR) says it has blocked the removal of one of seven passengers due to depart on Tuesday night.

I felt a great disturbance at the Daily Mail … as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced …

Re: Deportation of illegal migrants

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36125218)

Really disappointed that you support this racist, immoral and expensive vanity project. I thought you were better than this.

BTW, your right wing trope that people crossing the channel in boat (because there is no legal route) are all economic migrants is false:

https://fullfact.org/immigration/sco...omic-migrants/

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36125234)

There's not a scintilla of racism in me - let's make that clear.
All those actually granted asylum are most welcome.

I object to fit young men, leaving their country, passing through many safe countries, intending to draw on our benefits system for their own benefit.

I also object to the people trafficking that allows them to leave France, something French law enforcement does little (so it appears) extinguish .

I object to us not knowing which of those illegal migrants are terrorist in nature.

I object to illegal immigrants who purposefully destroy their means of identification; their bona fides must be questionable.

My remarks are directed at the illegal migrants; the ones granted asylum are not my target.

Btw, where do they get their money from to pay the traffickers? I'll lower myself even more in your estimation - I smell the whiff of Saudi Arabia or Iran (take your choice).

There's an argument that it has to be young, fit men making the crossing as they're best equiped to survive the journey across to France and then from France to here, I dont totally buy it but it's not beyond the realms of fantasy.

The destroying of documents is interesting and dishonest imo, they're either lying about where they're from or they've failed the application in Belgium or France

I think it more likely they get money from working illegally than as international terrorists

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36125247)

It's not based on an opinion it's based on a survey. This is the best-available evidence as the Home Office chooses not to publish its own data. FullFact could have worded it more clearly, though.

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FullFact was co-founded by an Etonian, Conservative donor but never mind.

Exactly never mind

Re: Deportation of illegal migrants

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Paul Brand ITV, Tonight
CONFIRMED - the flight will not be taking off after all asylum seekers were pulled off

https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/sta...16792160591878

Re: Deportation of illegal migrants

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36125316)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61806048

I felt a great disturbance at the Daily Mail … as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced …

That Court itself has ruled several time that deportations are an administrative matter, and therefore nothing to do with the Court.:confused:

Re: Deportation of illegal migrants

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36125325)

That Court itself has ruled several time that deportations are an administrative matter, and therefore nothing to do with the Court.:confused:

I haven’t a clue about that. What I do know is that low rumbling noise coming from London is the sound of a hundred keyboards being thrashed to death by the Mail’s Op Ed desk.

Re: Deportation of illegal migrants

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36125298)

There is a racist element to this whole thing, but it’s not that.

If say the Government had declared they had done a deal with Canada, and they were going to send them to Canada. There would not be anything like the furore that there is now.

It’s because people think that Rwanda is beneath the “Asylum Seekers”, which is a bit Racist.

Or, could it be that Rwanda does not historically have a particularly great human rights record ? Something Boris himself has commented on in the past.

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I’m reading many libs aren’t really celebrating this tonight, as they now know this now means the UK expedite leaving the jurisdictional foreign power grab of the ECHR.

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The ECHR which we help found, And was actually proposed by Winston Churchill and set up mainly by British lawyers

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro...f_Human_Rights

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On 5 May 1949, the Council of Europe was created in London, the members of the Council consider that the UN Declaration seeks to ensure the universal and effective recognition and application of the rights set forth therein.

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The European Court of Human Rights, which enforces the European Convention on Human Rights, is the best known body of the Council of Europe. The Council of Europe (CoE) (French: Conseil de l'Europe, CdE) is an international organisation founded in the wake of World War II to uphold human rights, democracy and the rule of law in Europe.[11] Founded in 1949, it has 47 member states, with a population of approximately 820 million, and operates with an annual budget of approximately 500 million euros.[12]

The organisation is distinct from the 27-nation European Union (EU), although it is sometimes confused with it, partly because the EU has adopted the original flag of Europe created by the Council of Europe in 1955,[13] as well as the anthem of Europe.[14] No country has ever joined the EU without first belonging to the Council of Europe.[15] The Council of Europe is an official United Nations observer.[16]

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All it will take is a repeal of the parts of the Human Rights Act, which forces UK to commit to ECHR decisions.

Re: Deportation of illegal migrants

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36125318)

And I thought you were better than screaming and hiding behind "racism", wonder how many other people have done that without ever even meeting an asylum seeker. I've worked with a fair few and they'd laugh themselves horse at fullfact assertions, once they’re comfortable in company they matter of factly say they all lied to get here and I don't blame them particularly, if I was in their place I probably would to.

There's an argument that it has to be young, fit men making the crossing as they're best equiped to survive the journey across to France and then from France to here, I dont totally buy it but it's not beyond the realms of fantasy.

The destroying of documents is interesting and dishonest imo, they're either lying about where they're from or they've failed the application in Belgium or France

I think it more likely they get money from working illegally than as international terrorists

Exactly never mind

I'm not screaming, don't exaggerate. My point stands: you will not see Ukrainians on these flights, they are processing the people from the Middle East.

As for destroying of documents, again, I ask where is the evidence? Phones are not passports ..

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36125299)

I'll try not to lose my temper. It's video footage. Do you dispute it?

You can lose your temper if you wish, it doesn't change the facts. I ask again where is the evidence the majority of asylum seekers are destroying their documents? Phones are not legal identity documents, I am surprised to have to point this out.