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papa smurf 26-05-2021 16:31
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Sasha Johnson: Two men and 3 teens arrested for 'attempted murder' of BLM activist
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...o-men-24189694

TheDaddy 26-05-2021 17:33
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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36080809)
It takes a lot to offend me, but BLM does.

To me, I see Black Lives Matter, White Lives Don't.

I say All Lives Matter, but these days being a white male in my early 50s I am now being discriminated because of that.

Why the FA is allowing a political statement like taking the knee is allowed, especially when they tried to say the Poppy was political.
They should have called it black lives matter to, it's not their lives matter more it's that their lives matter less in America, quite surprised this still needs explaining

mrmistoffelees 26-05-2021 18:15
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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36080809)
It takes a lot to offend me, but BLM does.

To me, I see Black Lives Matter, White Lives Don't.

I say All Lives Matter, but these days being a white male in my early 50s I am now being discriminated because of that.

Why the FA is allowing a political statement like taking the knee is allowed, especially when they tried to say the Poppy was political.
I think you need to question your decision making process. Nowhere at any point has it been said or implied by anyone that ‘white lives don’t matter’ that’s something you like many others have invented to fit their own narrative.

nomadking 26-05-2021 19:09
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36080902)
I think you need to question your decision making process. Nowhere at any point has it been said or implied by anyone that ‘white lives don’t matter’ that’s something you like many others have invented to fit their own narrative.
So where has it ever been expressed generally that Black Lives Don't Matter, other than Black People killing other Black People? Including an eight-year-old black girl killed by BLM supporters.

Eg Muslim woman gets stabbed in a park, cue the inevitable "it was a racist attack" headlines, even though there has been a killing of a white male a few months earlier, nobody gave a stuff about that. Yet it was the SAME killer. One victim got all the worldwide media attention, the other didn't.
Body of young boy, assumed to be Sri-Lankan found, again cue all the hysterical "it was a racist attack" reporting. It then later on is reported, more quietly of course, that the culprit(s) were of his own group.
A group of people set out one night to kill a white person and do so, in front of his girlfriend and it barely makes the regional news. Not the only example. The BBC owned up to the fact they should have reported it better.

If you're only too happy to consort with known gang member because they are Black, then the possibility of being shot by members of another Black gang is very high. Strange notion for many, but instead of consorting with them, try reporting them to the Police.

Hom3r 26-05-2021 19:57
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36080848)
In what way are you being discriminated against? Are you being charged more? Are you getting worse seats?

I think you are missing the point.


There is now more about lack of black and other no whites is certain jobs, so now companies could be forced to select someone on the colour of their skin over their qualifications just to tick a box to keep someone happy, even if that person has a lesser skill set.


Look don't get me wrong I don't care of race, colour or creed I'll happily make friends with anyone, I was brought up to treat everyone as equal, after all we all end up in the same sized coffin 6 foot down.

Mad Max 26-05-2021 20:15
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36080915)
So where has it ever been expressed generally that Black Lives Don't Matter, other than Black People killing other Black People? Including an eight-year-old black girl killed by BLM supporters.

Eg Muslim woman gets stabbed in a park, cue the inevitable "it was a racist attack" headlines, even though there has been a killing of a white male a few months earlier, nobody gave a stuff about that. Yet it was the SAME killer. One victim got all the worldwide media attention, the other didn't.
Body of young boy, assumed to be Sri-Lankan found, again cue all the hysterical "it was a racist attack" reporting. It then later on is reported, more quietly of course, that the culprit(s) were of his own group.
A group of people set out one night to kill a white person and do so, in front of his girlfriend and it barely makes the regional news. Not the only example. The BBC owned up to the fact they should have reported it better.

If you're only too happy to consort with known gang member because they are Black, then the possibility of being shot by members of another Black gang is very high. Strange notion for many, but instead of consorting with them, try reporting them to the Police.

Nail on the head, well said.

Paul 26-05-2021 23:48
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36080902)
I think you need to question your decision making process.
Maybe you need to question yours.

Saying that XXXX matters implies that YYYY does not, otherwise there would simply be no point in stating it at all.

So yes, going around saying that Black Lives Matter implies that [any] others do not.
If that were not the case, why was there all that massive fuss about the "White Lives Matter" banner last year.

1andrew1 27-05-2021 09:58
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36080961)
Maybe you need to question yours.

Saying that XXXX matters implies that YYYY does not, otherwise there would simply be no point in stating it at all.

So yes, going around saying that Black Lives Matter implies that [any] others do not.
If that were not the case, why was there all that massive fuss about the "White Lives Matter" banner last year.
I did a bit of digging on the Internet when this controversy arose as my initial thinking was the same as yours. However, I did a little research and was reassured by what I found:
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White Lives Matter' or 'All Lives Matter' reactions miss the point because the Black Lives Matter movement is not about denigrating the worth of other ethnic groups; it is about highlighting a specific problem.

Black Lives Matter is against racism and systemic injustices against the Black community, and it works for equality for everyone.

The message of the slogan is not that Black lives matter more. It is not that the lives of Caucasian people don't matter. It is that Black lives matter just as much.

Reactionary cries that 'White Lives Matter!' or even 'All Lives Matter!' demonstrate a fundamental misunderstanding of what BLM is working for and fighting against.

Such cries also have the effect of diminishing the plight of a community that has suffered violent subjugation in the past and continues to feel the residual ill effects of history, with overt and subtle racism still evident today.

The fact that 'White Lives Matter' has been used as a slogan for white supremacist groups is highly problematic and it creates an absurd false equivalence.
https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/expl...318648p0s2rwg8

Jaymoss 27-05-2021 10:25
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Maybe it would have helped if they simply added "too" at the end. No one would have been confused then

nomadking 27-05-2021 10:38
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36080979)
I did a bit of digging on the Internet when this controversy arose as my initial thinking was the same as yours. However, I did a little research and was reassured by what I found:

https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/expl...318648p0s2rwg8
If that was even remotely true, then surely BLM would've started a long time ago?:rolleyes:
It's just a tacked on excuse for insisting on getting away with crimes, including murder. Name a policy that is actually anti-crime.

1andrew1 27-05-2021 10:46
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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36080980)
Maybe it would have helped if they simply added "too" at the end. No one would have been confused then
I don't disagree with you - as I said I had to research it first but I'm posting as a white British male which is not where the phrase came from.

mrmistoffelees 27-05-2021 12:07
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36080961)
Maybe you need to question yours.

Saying that XXXX matters implies that YYYY does not, otherwise there would simply be no point in stating it at all.

So yes, going around saying that Black Lives Matter implies that [any] others do not.
If that were not the case, why was there all that massive fuss about the "White Lives Matter" banner last year.
I don't think i do based 1Andrews1 post.

Personally, and again this is only my belief. People who use 'All lives matter or white lives matter' are perhaps in fear of something , such as their ethnicity being ignored.

Saying that XXXX matters implies YYYY does not is.

Well, that's your and others perception.

If someone/anyone can provide evidence where a member of BLM has explicitly said that white lives don't matter then I'm more than happy to apologise. However, to my knowledge this has never been the case.

The fuss behind the banner? I would hazard a guess that it detracted from the where the primary point of focus needed to be.

The US and the UK have openly acknowledged issues with systemic racism I'd like anyone to be able to discuss or argue otherwise.

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36080984)
If that was even remotely true, then surely BLM would've started a long time ago?:rolleyes:
It's just a tacked on excuse for insisting on getting away with crimes, including murder. Name a policy that is actually anti-crime.

BLM was founded in 2013.....

Jaymoss 27-05-2021 12:18
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36080991)
I don't think i do based 1Andrews1 post.

Personally, and again this is only my belief. People who use 'All lives matter or white lives matter' are perhaps in fear of something , such as their ethnicity being ignored.

Saying that XXXX matters implies YYYY does not is.

Well, that's your and others perception.

If someone/anyone can provide evidence where a member of BLM has explicitly said that white lives don't matter then I'm more than happy to apologise. However, to my knowledge this has never been the case.

The fuss behind the banner? I would hazard a guess that it detracted from the where the primary point of focus needed to be.

The US and the UK have openly acknowledged issues with systemic racism I'd like anyone to be able to discuss or argue otherwise.

---------- Post added at 12:07 ---------- Previous post was at 12:03 ----------




BLM was founded in 2013.....
I do agree that saying XXXX matters only means YYYY does not in their perception. To me it is quite clear saying Black Lives Matter just means exactly that and it is correct Black Lives do matter as does everyone else's

After all me saying "I Love Marmite" does not mean everyone else does not

Maggy 27-05-2021 12:24
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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36080996)
I do agree that saying XXXX matters only means YYYY does not in their perception. To me it is quite clear saying Black Lives Matter just means exactly that and it is correct Black Lives do matter as does everyone else's

After all me saying "I Love Marmite" does not mean everyone else does not
:tu:

mrmistoffelees 27-05-2021 12:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36080996)
I do agree that saying XXXX matters only means YYYY does not in their perception. To me it is quite clear saying Black Lives Matter just means exactly that and it is correct Black Lives do matter as does everyone else's

After all me saying "I Love Marmite" does not mean everyone else does not
Summed up brilliantly with your last line. :tu:


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