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Mr K	19-08-2020 08:50

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Been thinking.

The EU are vaguely competent, maybe we should outsource things like health and education to them ;)

papa smurf

19-08-2020 08:54

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36047022)

Been thinking.

The EU are vaguely competent, maybe we should outsource things like health and education to them ;)

Well i guess you have to try everything once:D

1andrew1

19-08-2020 13:39

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36047021)

Full of privileged kids who got their marks upgraded,this whole thing stinks ,they should rip it up and start again.

The privileged kids at private schools already had the grades that their teachers said they would as the smaller schools were excluded from the algorithm. This just gives kids at state schools the same treatment.

Damien

19-08-2020 14:58

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36047004)

But that would never be viable so.................

It’s all a mess, no one is really at fault, things could have been done better, hindsight is always 20:20, it was never going to please everyone, teachers are as much to blame as anyone, the Government got it wrong and then capitulated...........so why are people still whinging?

Any way, why isn’t the government ensuring the weather stays nice? They’ve had enough notice the weather was going to change and they’ve done nothing about it.

But the Government have had to do this a number of times already: PPE, Testing, NHS contract tracing app and their approach to education. It's not out of line to ask them to get it right the first time.

Paul	19-08-2020 15:26

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Unless you are perfect and get everything right first time, then you are not in a position to criticize others.

No one has ever had to do this before, so of course mistakes are made, at least they are then corrected (if necessary).

Mad Max

19-08-2020 15:32

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36047051)

Yup, it's dead easy with hindsight.

1andrew1

19-08-2020 16:29

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36047051)

No one's asking them to predict the lottery numbers but the exams situation was warned a month and a half beforehand. So, plenty of times to get things right. The Chancellor has shown how to do things properly but he's head and shoulders above some of the clowns in Government.

Damien

19-08-2020 16:37

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36047051)

Unless you are perfect and get everything right first time, then you are not in a position to criticize others..

Well it's our Government. We're entirely in a position to criticise them on their performance.

And I don't think they need to get everything right. I am quite forgiving of their late lockdown because it made sense to me at the time, it's hard to get right and a small delay can have drastic impacts.

But time and time again if the show a failure to plan that we can object. The NHS app was pathetic. We all knew that would not work and they pushed ahead for months. There was no excuse for that level of incompetence. Same with exams and schools. This didn't happen in March or April but June/July. They had the time. They got it wrong.

In isolation these things happen but if it keeps happening then why can't we criticise? This is the Government.

Mr K	19-08-2020 17:05

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36047062)

Well it's our Government. We're entirely in a position to criticise them on their performance.

Not on this forum you're not ! ;)

denphone

20-08-2020 06:27

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36047066)

Not on this forum you're not ! ;)

Strange how some are quick out of the blocks to criticise other political parties but quckly develop convenient amnesia when its the government.;)

Pierre

20-08-2020 07:57

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I’ve said from the start that the government have handled it badly, and should have just let every thing slide for one year.

But let’s also remember why they took the moderating action ( that they royally screwed up)

If teachers hadn’t given out grades like Corbyn gave spending promises they wouldn’t have felt compelled to intervene.

Maggy

20-08-2020 08:17

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36047106)

Always got to find the entirely innocent to blame. Just like this government.

papa smurf

20-08-2020 08:18

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36047106)

I’ve said from the start that the government have handled it badly, and should have just let every thing slide for one year.

But let’s also remember why they took the moderating action ( that they royally screwed up)

If teachers hadn’t given out grades like Corbyn gave spending promises they wouldn’t have felt compelled to intervene.

If teachers had given lesser grades it would have reflected badly on their teaching abilities,it's human nature to make yourself look better at your job than you actually are,problem is it's the kids that have suffered because of this.

Hugh	20-08-2020 08:44

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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/g...c7d03fa8c2c77b

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Gavin Williamson was warned about risk of exam fiasco

Education secretary informed six weeks ago

Gavin Williamson was warned directly that the A-level and GCSE grading system could lead to hundreds of thousands of students being given the wrong results but decided to push ahead, The Times can reveal.

A senior source at the Department for Education disclosed that Sir Jon Coles, a former director-general there, wrote to Mr Williamson early last month to express concerns about the algorithm used by Ofqual.

He said that, at best, the model being applied to A-level and GCSE grading would be only 75 per cent accurate, meaning that hundreds of thousands of students would get the wrong grades. In the event Ofqual’s own tests on its algorithm, which were published last week, found that it was 60 per cent accurate.

In his letter, Sir Jon also raised particular concerns about using teachers’ predicted grades for small groups of pupils but leaving larger groups reliant on the algorithm. He said that this would lead to unfairness in the system.

The issue proved one of the central problems as it meant that private schools, which typically can afford to have smaller classes, saw their results improve significantly more than state schools.

1andrew1

20-08-2020 09:07

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36047111)

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/g...c7d03fa8c2c77b

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Pretending that it only just came to light when he had a report on his desk on 10th July is really bad form. It won't do the government long-term good if BoJo keeps Gavin Williamson in his current role, his reputation is in tatters.

There's now an issue with BTEC

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Students expecting their BTEC results this morning will be left disappointed after a last-minute decision to delay their release.

Last night, exam board Pearson asked schools and colleges not to publish level one and two results for vocational courses.

The board wants more time to recalculate grades following the fiasco over A-level results...

The delay comes after education unions and the Labour Party called on the government to provide clarity on why BTEC students had been left out of Monday's grading U-turn.

https://news.sky.com/story/btec-resu...inute-12052706

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