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1andrew1 29-05-2020 01:15
Re: Trump gets fact checked
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36037554)
His tweets are getting worse though. Today he retweeted someone saying the "The only good Democrat is a dead Democrat": https://www.cbsnews.com/news/preside...dead-democrat/
Some good analysis on his tweets recently
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Mr Trump’s worsening odds can be gauged by his rising sense of panic. The simplest metric are his tweets, which now average four times as many per day as his first year in office, and almost three times as many as in his second year. Twice this year, including on Mother’s Day, Mr Trump tweeted more than 100 times when most of America was asleep.

Although it scarcely seemed possible, their content has also deteriorated. Recent nadirs include Mr Trump’s recurring assertion that Joe Scarborough, the co-anchor of MSNBC’s Morning Joe, murdered a staff member in 2001. Even pro-Trump publications felt obliged to dispute that cartoonishly nasty claim.
https://www.ft.com/content/b2253265-...4-30e96d66d67b

Carth 29-05-2020 10:06
Re: Trump gets fact checked
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36037576)
Some good analysis on his tweets recently

https://www.ft.com/content/b2253265-...4-30e96d66d67b

I suggest he knows Twitter is the gathering place of stupidity, and he's simply trolling everyone :D

BenMcr 29-05-2020 10:51
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https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...fying-violence

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Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for 'glorifying violence'
Warning on ‘when looting starts, shooting starts’ post risks further escalation of row between firm and president

Mick 29-05-2020 10:59
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Whatever people think of Trump that's their opinion but twitter is playing a dangerous game here.

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This Tweet violated the Twitter Rules about glorifying violence. However, Twitter has determined that it may be in the public’s interest for the Tweet to remain accessible.

Chris 29-05-2020 11:28
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Twitter is treading a dangerous line here. If they’re going to start actively moderating the platform they have to do it fairly and evenly. Even as a private company they’re subject to the laws that determine whether they’re merely a forum for other people’s opinions, or the actual publisher of those opinions (which exposes them to defamation claims). Whether or not Trump has the power to alter the law by Order to catch Twitter out is somewhat besides the point. If the debate is allowed to get going and keep going, sooner or later there will be the votes in Congress to do it.

Damien 29-05-2020 11:30
Re: Trump gets fact checked
 
A bit of a side note but that George Floyd stuff is mad. It'll be interesting to see what happens to the police other than being fired.

1andrew1 29-05-2020 11:34
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It's the age old thing that law always lags technology.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36037603)
A bit of a side note but that George Floyd stuff is mad. It'll be interesting to see what happens to the police other than being fired.
A few law suits I would imagine.

Damien 29-05-2020 11:37
Re: Trump gets fact checked
 
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36037602)
Twitter is treading a dangerous line here. If they’re going to start actively moderating the platform they have to do it fairly and evenly. Even as a private company they’re subject to the laws that determine whether they’re merely a forum for other people’s opinions, or the actual publisher of those opinions (which exposes them to defamation claims). Whether or not Trump has the power to alter the law by Order to catch Twitter out is somewhat besides the point. If the debate is allowed to get going and keep going, sooner or later there will be the votes in Congress to do it.
The problem is that it's the President right? They already do actively moderate the platform but when the person being moderated is so high profile it creates an issue. If some ordinary person of little consequence was to 'glorify violence' then they will likely be moderated and banned eventually.

Trump isn't an ordinary person though so to what extent do the rules need to be loosened for him and other politicians?

Still, maybe it will not be a bad thing for Twitter to take more responsibility for what is said on their platform. Twitter is an increasingly unhinged, reactionary, platform on which even reasonable people seem to lose their minds.

mrmistoffelees 29-05-2020 11:49
Re: Trump gets fact checked
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36037602)
Twitter is treading a dangerous line here. If they’re going to start actively moderating the platform they have to do it fairly and evenly. Even as a private company they’re subject to the laws that determine whether they’re merely a forum for other people’s opinions, or the actual publisher of those opinions (which exposes them to defamation claims). Whether or not Trump has the power to alter the law by Order to catch Twitter out is somewhat besides the point. If the debate is allowed to get going and keep going, sooner or later there will be the votes in Congress to do it.

Sorry, are you implying that this is the first time that moderation has occurred or that moderation of the platform has only recently started to occur? Because obviously that's utter nonsense.

If this wasn't Trump then more than likely no-one would bat an eye. However, for some reason Trump seems to think he can post what he wants, when he wants without thinking about the content he posts.

I highly doubt Trump will win this one.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36037606)
The problem is that it's the President right? They already do actively moderate the platform but when the person being moderated is so high profile it creates an issue. If some ordinary person of little consequence was to 'glorify violence' then they will likely be moderated and banned eventually.

Trump isn't an ordinary person though so to what extent do the rules need to be loosened for him and other politicians?

Still, maybe it will not be a bad thing for Twitter to take more responsibility for what is said on their platform. Twitter is an increasingly unhinged, reactionary, platform on which even reasonable people seem to lose their minds.
Agree, those that do probably don't have 80m followers and somewhat considerable influence.

As the old adage goes 'With great power comes great responsibility' Trump at times seems to want all of the power yet take none of the responsibility.

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'When the looting starts, the shooting starts'

Is there a reason such a tweet shouldn't be hidden?

nomadking 29-05-2020 12:17
Re: Trump gets fact checked
 
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36037608)
Sorry, are you implying that this is the first time that moderation has occurred or that moderation of the platform has only recently started to occur? Because obviously that's utter nonsense.

If this wasn't Trump then more than likely no-one would bat an eye. However, for some reason Trump seems to think he can post what he wants, when he wants without thinking about the content he posts.

I highly doubt Trump will win this one.

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Agree, those that do probably don't have 80m followers and somewhat considerable influence.

As the old adage goes 'With great power comes great responsibility' Trump at times seems to want all of the power yet take none of the responsibility.

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'When the looting starts, the shooting starts'

Is there a reason such a tweet shouldn't be hidden?
How many tweets that have directly or INDIRECTLY encouraged the violence and looting have been hidden? :rolleyes: No reports of that happening, if anything the encouraging words are being widely reported. Here's an idea, why don't they stop looting and committing widespread violence? Is that possible?


They seem to want to have complete freedom to going around committing various crimes such as mugging, burglary, murder, etc and to be able to resist arrest and have to be let go. That is the result they are aiming for. So many examples(US & UK) of where it's obvious that there is little point in resisting or struggling, but they still insist on doing it. The more force required to restrain somebody, the more likely problems are going to result. Do what the rest of us have to do in that situation, don't resist and don't be violent.

BenMcr 29-05-2020 12:37
Re: Trump gets fact checked
 
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36037617)
Do what the rest of us have to do in that situation, don't resist and don't be violent.
Most POC in the US do exactly that, and there are still incidents where they die or are seriously injured.

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https://www.latimes.com/science/stor...-for-black-men

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About 1 in 1,000 black men and boys in America can expect to die at the hands of police, according to a new analysis of deaths involving law enforcement officers. That makes them 2.5 times more likely than white men and boys to die during an encounter with cops.

The analysis also showed that Latino men and boys, black women and girls and Native American men, women and children are also killed by police at higher rates than their white peers. But the vulnerability of black males was particularly striking.

mrmistoffelees 29-05-2020 12:43
Re: Trump gets fact checked
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36037617)
How many tweets that have directly or INDIRECTLY encouraged the violence and looting have been hidden? :rolleyes: No reports of that happening, if anything the encouraging words are being widely reported. Here's an idea, why don't they stop looting and committing widespread violence? Is that possible?


They seem to want to have complete freedom to going around committing various crimes such as mugging, burglary, murder, etc and to be able to resist arrest and have to be let go. That is the result they are aiming for. So many examples(US & UK) of where it's obvious that there is little point in resisting or struggling, but they still insist on doing it. The more force required to restrain somebody, the more likely problems are going to result. Do what the rest of us have to do in that situation, don't resist and don't be violent.

Oh dear, and how many have, Show the evidence to back up your statement?

Whilst looting is an abhorrent act the threatened response of shooting people is completely over the top.

Have you watched the original footage of the person who died whilst being under arrest? I have and there was no resistance whatsoever.

You have, i suspect absolutely 0 practical or first hand relevant knowledge idea about the state of Minnesota or Minneapolis it's population, political make up or nature. I spent a considerable amount of time there with work (and friends) to the point it's almost a 2nd home. and will do so again in the future. I (on a rare occasion) can speak from a position of knowledge on this subject. I highly doubt you can.

Damien 29-05-2020 13:14
Re: Trump gets fact checked
 
I wonder when the FBI will finish their investigation. The officers are already fired but are looking at murder charges as well, the protests might calm if they're charged.

mrmistoffelees 29-05-2020 13:16
Re: Trump gets fact checked
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36037625)
Don't fret, I will not issue any infraction or ban you from the topic. I will restore your post in a short while.

The team take a far relaxed approach to our own set of rules on here. The only thing I won't allow, is another member directly insulting another member (I am not saying you have here). But I just wanted to highlight that Twitter upholding it's own user policies, it has to do so across the board and not just to Trump (as much that I get people cannot stand him).
I have no intent nor requirement to fret.

Twitter can do as they please, it's their platform. Just as I've previously stated this is yours.

If people don't like it, they don't have to use it.

Mick 29-05-2020 13:21
Re: Trump gets fact checked
 
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36037627)
Twitter can do as they please, it's their platform. Just as I've previously stated this is yours.

If people don't like it, they don't have to use it.
Correct. ;) And as if by magic...


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