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Mr K 08-12-2019 15:19
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The only consolation about next week if it goes the way the polls are suggesting, is that the lies will quickly be exposed from Friday onwards. Those in working class communities that vote for the Tories will feel the worst effects, just a shame for those that don't. When Brexit doesn't deliver all the promised goodies, but quite the opposite, there's only one party that will take the blame. 5 years of the Tories to have them out if power for a generation might just be worth it. Just hope we still have a united country that is possible to save by then..
Happy Christmas everyone :)

Chris 08-12-2019 16:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36019567)
The only consolation about next week if it goes the way the polls are suggesting, is that the lies will quickly be exposed from Friday onwards. Those in working class communities that vote for the Tories will feel the worst effects, just a shame for those that don't. When Brexit doesn't deliver all the promised goodies, but quite the opposite, there's only one party that will take the blame. 5 years of the Tories to have them out if power for a generation might just be worth it. Just hope we still have a united country that is possible to save by then..
Happy Christmas everyone :)
To quote Greg Lake ...

Hallelujah, Noel, be it Heaven or Hell,
the Christmas we get, we deserve. ;)

Mick 08-12-2019 16:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36019567)
The only consolation about next week if it goes the way the polls are suggesting, is that the lies will quickly be exposed from Friday onwards. Those in working class communities that vote for the Tories will feel the worst effects, just a shame for those that don't. When Brexit doesn't deliver all the promised goodies, but quite the opposite, there's only one party that will take the blame. 5 years of the Tories to have them out if power for a generation might just be worth it. Just hope we still have a united country that is possible to save by then..
Happy Christmas everyone :)
What is utterly laughable about everything you've posted so far in these threads is that you think Labour has all the answers. Clue they certainly do not!

What an utter joke that is not even remotely funny.

Mr K 08-12-2019 16:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36019585)
What is utterly laughable about everything you've posted so far in these threads is that you think Labour has all the answers. Clue they certainly do not!

What an utter joke that is not even remotely funny.
As you know Mick I've never voted Labour ( unlike OB! ;)), Given the muppets on offer a hung parliament would be the best result. 5 years of the Tories with carte blanche will be a disaster for the country and perhaps the end of the UK.

Mick 08-12-2019 17:17
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36019590)
As you know Mick I've never voted Labour ( unlike OB! ;)), Given the muppets on offer a hung parliament would be the best result. 5 years of the Tories with carte blanche will be a disaster for the country and perhaps the end of the UK.
But you're still suggesting if Labour wins, everything will be fine...

Just seen a video of Boris Johnson campaigning in a Jewish community in North London, several people, in a big crowd, are seen and heard asking to be saved from "that man", meaning Corbyn, yet 10 people on this forum want a Racist Anti-Semitic fool, IRA loving terrorist sympathiser running the show...

Makes absolutely no sense to me why 10 people on here want Labour to run this country and "that man, Corbyn" who would definitely ruin it with his Socialist Marxist agenda.

OLD BOY 08-12-2019 17:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36019567)
The only consolation about next week if it goes the way the polls are suggesting, is that the lies will quickly be exposed from Friday onwards. Those in working class communities that vote for the Tories will feel the worst effects, just a shame for those that don't. When Brexit doesn't deliver all the promised goodies, but quite the opposite, there's only one party that will take the blame. 5 years of the Tories to have them out if power for a generation might just be worth it. Just hope we still have a united country that is possible to save by then..
Happy Christmas everyone :)
What lies? You really do have a vivid imagination, Mr K.

Brexit will be done. It's what the majority of the electorate voted for and the Conservatives will have delivered it. They are already getting the credit for ensuring that the will of the electorate is honoured.

I think it is you who will be disillusioned. This period of Conservative government will be appreciated as finally shaking off austerity, and hopefully making clear that another socialist government would not be worth the risk in the eyes of the majority.

Mick 08-12-2019 20:30
Re: Election 2019 - Week 5
 
Westminster voting intention:

CON: 41% (+2)
LAB: 32% (-1)
LDEM: 14% (+1)
GRN: 4% (-1)
BREX: 4% (-)

via
@BMGResearch
, 04 - 06 Dec
Chgs. w/ 29 Nov

Quick, Jezza, promise a new swimming pool for every house...

Mr K 08-12-2019 22:07
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.Amazon has been given free access to healthcare information collected by the NHS as part of a contract with the government.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/...y_to_clipboard

The shape of things to come....

nomadking 08-12-2019 22:18
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36019641)
Quote:
The material, which excludes patient data, could allow the multinational technology company to make, advertise and sell its own products.

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In July the health secretary, Matt Hancock, said a partnership with the NHS that allowed Amazon Alexa devices to offer expert health advice to users would reduce pressure on “our hard-working GPs and pharmacists”.
But responses to freedom of information requests, published by the Sunday Times, showed the contract will also allow the company access to information on symptoms, causes and definitions of conditions, and “all related copyrightable content and data and other materials”.
Just sounds like an uncontroversial structured database of medical conditions.


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Third parties, such as local authorities, can reuse information from the NHS website, but standard agreements only permit this to be used in the UK. The contract with Amazon states that the licence applies around the world.
What's the problem? Just provides another platform for getting medical advice.


NHS website Health conditions

Mr K 08-12-2019 22:28
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36019642)
Just sounds like an uncontroversial structured database of medical conditions.


What's the problem? Just provides another platform for getting medical advice.


NHS website Health conditions
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. Amazon, which is worth $863bn and is run by the world’s richest person, Jeff Bezos, can then create “new products, applications, cloud-based services and/or distributed software”, which the NHS would not benefit from financially. It can also share the information with third parties.
They aren't in it for charity.

Mick 08-12-2019 22:36
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And as the article stipulates, not after Patient Data.

It's a non story being peddled a by a pathetic, Corbynista left wing rag.

Hugh 08-12-2019 22:45
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36019647)
And as the article stipulates, not after Patient Data.

It's a non story being peddled a by a pathetic, Corbynista left wing rag.
The Sunday Times?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a...data-bbzp52n5m
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Amazon has been handed the keys to a trove of NHS data it can use to develop products to sell internationally without paying a penny to the UK.

A government contract, revealed under freedom of information laws, shows the partnership goes far beyond the tie-up with Amazon’s Alexa voice assistant announced in July.

The health secretary, Matt Hancock, said at the time the NHS should “embrace” the technology, saying it would cut pressure on GPs and pharmacists. But the contract shows the American tech giant could access more than just NHS website data.

The $863bn company can access “all healthcare information” gathered by the NHS at the UK taxpayers’ expense, including “symptoms, causes and definitions”. It also gets “all related copyrightable content and data and other materials”, excluding patient data. Amazon can use the information to make, advertise and sell “new products, applications, cloud-based services and/or distributed software” and can share it with third parties.

The NHS will not benefit if Amazon creates a lucrative new health app. A commercial lawyer who analysed the contract said: “The most alarming thing is that Amazon isn’t paying anything for this and the data is very valuable. The NHS is one of the leaders in the world in collecting this data, so it’s incredible really that it is not charging for it.”

nomadking 08-12-2019 22:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36019644)
They aren't in it for charity.
It's called providing a service. They're just buying access to copyrighted material to use in a different form. Ie If somebody seeks medical advice using an Alexa device, that advice has come from the NHS. Better to have come from there than who knows where. The general public can access the same database via the link I gave. I should imagine these sort of voice activated devices have various external databases to call upon, eg weather.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36019650)
As your quote says, ", excluding patient data.".:rolleyes:
Has any other company asked for the same info and been refused?


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Amazon told the Sunday Times the content it had access to was already on the NHS website. “Amazon does not build customer health profiles based on interactions with nhs.uk content or use such requests for marketing purposes,” it added.

1andrew1 08-12-2019 23:01
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36019650)
Oops!

Mick 08-12-2019 23:26
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36019650)
No, the guardian like I said originally! :mad:


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