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But Antifa and BLM were being just as bad.... are you saying we ignore these groups and allow them to do as they please ?

He gets condemned on a daily basis by the left and liberal media, so another day won't matter.

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They were not as bad as Neo-Nazis one of whom murdered someone. Jesus.

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You're forgetting America's first amendment.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

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This does not distract from the fact that ALL the groups were being violent, you condemn them all, not just one. Not sure the need to add blasphemy either towards the end of your post.

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Fair point; it's shocking seeing those flags from Nazi days being paraded in 2017.

Surely murder's worse than their protests and in an entirely different category of bad?

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Won't be long until Antifa kill someone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qKCl9NL1Cg
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/201...y-trump-melee/

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Are you suggesting that the fascists set out that day to murder someone. And just so you know I'm not defending them at all here. I thought they were protesting ?

And yes those flags only deserve one place to be, kept in history.

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One fascist has been arrested for murder but until the trial we won't know for sure but it's not looking good is it?

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Welcomed but he should have done it earlier but better late then never.

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The left and right are as bad as each other IMO and the sooner some realise that the better instead of divorcing themselves from reality..

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Could you point out where, during this march, the 'left' had around 150 people walking around with body armour and semi-automatic rifles?

Where, during this march, 'the left' were carrying flags (swastikas) and repeating slogans (Blood and Soil) from a discredited political philosophy that resulted in 'The Final Solution'?

Where, during this march, 'the left' drove a car deliberately into a crowd killing 1 and injuring 19 others?

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l am talking about the left and right in general in wider society as that was the point l was making in that the extremes of left and right are as bad as each other.

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The left have had incidents of violence and you can look at obstinately left-wing governments in Venezuela to see plenty of things that should also be unequivocally condemned. Corbyn was rightfully criticised for this attempts to portray an oppressive government in Venezuela as equal to the people protesting them even though it's true that the opposition seem to have committed questionable acts as well. That is because one side was so clearly worse that it's wrong to draw equivalence between them. We rarely look back on WW2 and say the French Resistance were as bad as the Nazis they were resisting.

The same is true here. There should be apologism or deflection from the fact that there was a Neo-nazi rally. They were not as bad as each other at the weekend. There was one group that were literal Nazis and that should be taken seriously. Someone was killed, it seems, by one of these Nazis. This wasn't a ambiguous alt-right group that object to being called Nazis either. They were proud Nazis waving Nazi flags and quoting Nazis slogans. One reason I would suggest they're so bold is because the average resistance to them isn't as strong which is shown by a President reluctant to single them out for special rebuke.

This isn't about left vs right. It's about Nazis vs everyone else. If there was a pro-ISIS march that resulted in a death we wouldn't concern ourselves with questioning those who opposed them.

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And to highlight that comparison Illinois Senate have passed a bill calling for Neo-Nazis to be classed as a terrorist group: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...ion-story.html

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Very good points Hugh. 'They're all as bad as each other other' cop out, which the Donald initially used, is a lazy/deflecting response to avoid pointing the finger at the real culprits.

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The left wing rent-a-mob rabble who are intent on shouting down anybody who they disagree with?

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Is that how you are classifying the people that were peacefully protesting against armed Nazi's in Charlottseville ?

Of course there are incidents extreme left and right wing trouble, but that shouldn't be used to ignore what happened there, or to excuse the people responsible.

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You think they're responsible for the Neo-Nazi rally and someone getting murdered?

No. The people responsible are those who took part and organised it. The person who ran people over is responsible , not those who got hit.