Re: Migrant found GUILTY of Raping boy 5, given Rehabilitation Order
 

What part of your figures refer to sex offenders or is it an overall figure for all offences?

Re: Migrant found GUILTY of Raping boy 5, given Rehabilitation Order
 

It's an overall I couldn't find specific figures

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Wrong wrong wrong wrong

Justice and revenge are diometrically opposed !!!!!!!!

Re: Migrant found GUILTY of Raping boy 5, given Rehabilitation Order
 

Bottom line, as an immigrant commiting an offence he has lost all rights to stay here IMHO.

Re: Migrant found GUILTY of Raping boy 5, given Rehabilitation Order
 

Others such as Fred West were repeat sex offenders from their teenage years and because they "got away with it", things progressed.

Re: Migrant found GUILTY of Raping boy 5, given Rehabilitation Order
 

Put the ******* in a empty room with me. It will be over very quickly.
The laws in this Country have to be changed.

Re: Migrant found GUILTY of Raping boy 5, given Rehabilitation Order
 

I agree with you, revenge is not the answer but the punishment should fit the crime. In this case it should be incarceration (at our expense) or immediate expulsion from the country, no appeal, straight onto the plane from wherever he came from! No right to come back either!

Re: Migrant found GUILTY of Raping boy 5, given Rehabilitation Order
 

It should be both. He should face justice in the UK and then be deported.

Re: Migrant found GUILTY of Raping boy 5, given Rehabilitation Order
 

Rape is a horrible crime. No matter how old you are. I got abused when l was young for five years.
It nearly came to horrendous crime. Luckily, the son of a bitch is dead now. I am still scared about now - and l am nearly 65. It took me 20 years to tell her half it

That will be with the child for life. I strongly believe that ANYONE who commits this crime against anyone whether they are 18months old - as it has been stated many times before, that this has happened up till 90 years.

I would bring back the death penalty - simple as that

Re: Migrant found GUILTY of Raping boy 5, given Rehabilitation Order
 

Justice and revenge often go hand in hand and they need too upto a point so that people don't take matters into their own hands your idea is great in an ideal world where people would be rational and objective but those are two things that leave the bus first when a person close to you is the victim. I'm not saying it's right but it's a necessity to maintain a justice system and to have society adhere to it.

Re: Migrant found GUILTY of Raping boy 5, given Rehabilitation Order
 

Justice should not just be done but seen to be done.

That has been a tennet of law for years. Has justice been seen to be done in this case?

In my view NO!

Re: Migrant found GUILTY of Raping boy 5, given Rehabilitation Order
 

It's hanged, drawn and quartered, as hung is the past tense which would mean the victim was dead, when in reality they were dragged to a place of execution on a frame (drawn), hanged, cut down whilst still alive to be disembowelled then cut into pieces (quartered).

Removed you from my ignore list now. Sleep well :D

Re: Migrant found GUILTY of Raping boy 5, given Rehabilitation Order
 

When you've got a daughter who has been raped you might feel differently.

Re: Migrant found GUILTY of Raping boy 5, given Rehabilitation Order
 

You quite clearly haven't read my posts.

Of course I would, as per my previous statements, once you become personally involved in any soft of offence then it becomes emotional

Our criminal law cannot be based on emotion as I've stated before it then becomes about revenge as opposed to justice. Arthurs two posts illustrate this point perfectly.

The law states the guilty party is of an age where he is not to be treat as an adult.

The sentencing as I've already stated is far too lenient. It should have been custodial followed by immediate deportation.

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I also suffered abuse when I was a child, both physical and mental at the hands of my stepfather. It has led to me having mental health problems (which linger to this day) including a stay in psychiatric hospital. two suicide attempts in my early twenties. CBT, psychodynamic psychotherapy, anti depressants etc.

At my lowest I genuinely wanted to kill my stepfather, and actively at some point tried to hunt him down for revenge. Thankfully I didn't succeed, essentially whats the point? my actions won't change the past, and to a degree they would make me nearly as bad as him.

It wasn't until my early thirties when I worked in the training side of the police that I started dealing with it and I chose to use it to spur me on rather than let the past hold me back. I had the help of great friends who helped me get myself into the mindset I now have.

Of course there will always be lingering thoughts, but in the most that part of my life drives me forwards rather than looking back.

Apologies for the somewhat personal post, but, sometimes you need to highlight the position that you're coming from.

The death penalty has no place in a modern civilised society.

Re: Migrant found GUILTY of Raping boy 5, given Rehabilitation Order
 

InOh Arthur, that's terrible. People have tried to bully/abuse/harass me because of my disability throughout my life, but sexual abuse has never been a part of it. I can't begin to imagine what it's like.

I read your post last night and have respect for you for being so honest about this, not that you've done anything wrong. It's good that this taboo is at last being spoken about.

I've often wondered if it's worse for boys/men who have been sexually abused by men than it is for girls/women.

This is because as well as all the issues that females face, males have the added burden of being expected to be strong by society and fighting them off.

Because they couldn't, they may fear that others may think that they didn't mind it and are secretly gay.

I often have Radio 4 on in the background and thought of you this morning when an article about this very subject came on.

I've provided a link in case you want to listen to it. Amongst other things it touches upon help available, how relationships in adult life can be affected and the taint of homosexuality.

Interestingly, the vast majority of men who sexually abuse boys are connected to the church.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b082vys4

The relevant article is from about 0:25.

Re: Migrant found GUILTY of Raping boy 5, given Rehabilitation Order
 

Thank you for sharing your story, it must have been hard to write.

Back to the migrant kiddie rapist...

Do an adult crime then serve the adult punishment. Does anyone here believe that if it had anyone other than a migrant it wouldn't have been immediate jail time?

Never mind as some have said, lock up then deport. Why pay tens of thousands to keep them in custody? Round up the entire family and down to Heathrow direct from the court.

Death penalty absolutely DOES have a place in society. It's not about it being a deterrent, it's about punishing the guilty and protecting society by ensuring they can't do it again.

If it deters that's a bonus.