Re: Jo Cox MP has been murdered in West Yorkshire
 

Well for starters it takes longer to get the details on a member of the public. He did, however, get quite a nice piece in the Tele over the weekend. Turns out he's a bit of a local hero already, as a retired mine rescue worker.

Having said that, if you can't see that the premeditated murder of a member of our legislature, killed for what she believed and worked for, is fundamentally an assault on our system of democracy, then I worry for you.

There are places in the world where this sort of thing is far from uncommon. I trust you wouldn't want the UK to join them in the gutter - in which case, joining with the rest of the adult population in treating this case with due seriousness would be a good idea.

Re: Jo Cox MP has been murdered in West Yorkshire
 

Who I know has precisely nothing to do with the issue but what I do know is that people are being murdered every week, all too often by 'mad men/women' who can't get the required medical help and HMG has done sweet FA about it for years. Maybe you missed the bit where I pointed out it's a terrible tragedy but my point remains and I didn't say it wasn't a terrible loss I said it's no bigger a loss than anyone else who's suffered a similar fate. Some of what we're seeing now is an absurd and increasingly opportunist overreaction on the part of those who're supposed to be running the show. Since you seem to be fixated with Lee Rigby today, yes that was a tragedy too but tell me how many serving soldiers who've died appalling deaths at the hands of assorted global maniacs have ever got that sort of coverage? Didn't they deserve it? The coverage and aftermath of that appalling incident had far less to do with Rigby or concern for his family than it had to do with the nature of the event committed as it was in full view of the public.

Oddly enough I have a good deal more in common with the family than you might think and know all about the terrible loss losing a wife and mother of young children involves. In the real world most people who suffer such a fate just have to get on with it and get precious little help or recognition in the process. That's exactly what I had to do.

Re: Jo Cox MP has been murdered in West Yorkshire
 

You have my respect.

Re: Jo Cox MP has been murdered in West Yorkshire
 

And unfortunately most times it's not national newsworth, but this is, and if you can't see or understand the reason why then you need to think a bit harder.

Similar fate? I say again, I bet there aren't many innocent people in the UK just going about their business that are gunned down by a total stranger in the street and then just for good measure stabbed several times.

Most soldiers die in battle in foreign lands not hacked to death on UK streets, any soldier killed in action is one too many but unfortunately the risk is inherent to the role.

Erm......you mean like Jo Cox was????

The parallels between Lee Rigby and Jo Cox are blindingly obvious, and I think I can say for certain that no posts on this site once suggested that the coverage Rigby's murder received was being blown out of proportion.

all people lose people I lost my father at a young age, it's not grief top trumps, yes we all get on with it, but I would scorn another's situation out of prejudice of anything that happened to me.

Re: Jo Cox MP has been murdered in West Yorkshire
 

That's why I qualified my statement by using the term 'a similar fate' something you seem unable to understand. By definition I'm not referring to people who've NOT suffered a similar fat, stabbed, shot, raped, butchered and worse. There are plenty of people who've suffered terrible trauma and lost loved ones and we hear nothing about it. At no point have I minimised what happened to Jo Fox, merely put it into perspective. Odd how you reckon I'm playing top trumps when I explain the reason for my point of view then go onto your own version of the game. Nice. Unlike you I've been in the same situation as Mr Fox, with kids aged 3 and 5. You haven't so what do you know about how it feels? Precisely nothing.

Re: Jo Cox MP has been murdered in West Yorkshire
 

I also lost my father at a young age but that also has nothing to do with this murder. If he can't see what is happening here then I'd give up arguing. Some people have an axe to grind and nothing will come in the way ..

Re: Jo Cox MP has been murdered in West Yorkshire
 

I find it ironic that so many on the internet and in the media are drawing a straight line between brexit rhetoric and this horrible murder when this kind of thing is going on and they seem all right with it :(

Re: Jo Cox MP has been murdered in West Yorkshire
 

The fact this woman was an MP and seems, at the moment, to have been killed because she was an MP and because of her politics is what has elevated this to a national issue.

Lee Rigby was murdered in a terrorist attack on British soil by a civilian. He wasn't killed in action, by an opposing army, abroad. That's why his death became a story.

Re: Jo Cox MP has been murdered in West Yorkshire
 

I know why the murder is a story and a national issue and the media's done an exceptional job of keeping it in the news. My argument is that parliament's response is now OTT and being used by some as a means by which to influence the EU debate. If MP's want to continue to grieve and mourn in their own time that's fine by me. If they want to erect a statue that's fine by me but there's important work to be done and they ought to be getting on with it and serving those who've elected them at this time more than just about any other I can think of. Does anyone really think Jo Cox would want this hiatus? I don't.

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Well yes it is rather hypocritical isn't it. I recall plenty of glee and laughter when Farage and his family were confronted by a mob during a Sunday lunch at the local pub. Who would have known the true intentions of that group until after the event? It certainly would have been traumatic for his family even if Farage is tough enough to take it in his stride.

It seems quite a lot of people don't mind inciting or employing a bit of hate and violence when the targets of it happen to disagree with them.

Re: Jo Cox MP has been murdered in West Yorkshire
 

This murder has now been hijacked by a group and they are using it for all their worth and as horrible as this was for the family it should not be a factor in the referendum and the way it's being used to further one side in the referendum is despicable.

But we now know how low some will go to get what they want and that's something I won't forget anytime soon.

Re: Jo Cox MP has been murdered in West Yorkshire
 

Well I hope it backfires on them. ****.

Re: Jo Cox MP has been murdered in West Yorkshire
 

Looks like her death was very convenient for some.

Re: Jo Cox MP has been murdered in West Yorkshire
 

Her death was convenient for NONE, she was murdered by a mentally ill man. Nothing to do with the EU referendum.

Anyone who says different is full of hate! An wants to encourage us to be divisive, we stand together condemning this horrific murder.

Re: Jo Cox MP has been murdered in West Yorkshire
 

The trial has started: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37978582

Re: Jo Cox MP has been murdered in West Yorkshire
 

how is the jury made up in this type of trial [its being branded political/[ideological ] so is the jury picked from those with varying political views is it all left wing or all right wing.. hows it done?